Xylia Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 So, I took my Level 3 Mag to Captain Vor like I did last night, successfully. I was using a Burston, Hikou, and Skana Prime to keep my levels low so I wouldn't get roflstomped by some Lv15+ Vor. Vor was Level 3, very do-able though a mildly long battle. But... I drop in and its "LOL THE SHIP'S CRYOGENICS CORE IS MALFUNCTIONING! YOUR SHIELDS WILL TAKE A HIT FROM THE COLD HAHAHA!" .......seriously. If I weren't a Mag with a Redirection equipped, I would have had like......no shields whatsoever. Cryo should not be happening on Mercury, especially not if you're a low-leveled frame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inberun Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 Cryo should never happen coz its dumb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0Pinger Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 its random in all missions and that was true before they increased the difficulty on Mercury. Best lesson is the one that kills you, so new players need to know sooner rather than later. Then they know to slow down and change tactics to take care of their shields. I will never forget the first Shielded Lancer I met doing the first rescue mission on Mercury, it killed me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saltshaker42 Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 why does ice hurt shields so much anyway? Any logical shield projection I can think of would actually benefit from lower temperatures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feldgrep Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 Vor isn't hard. Just get a high dps gun and get him in bubble quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luanle21 Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 Vor isn't hard. Just get a high dps gun and get him in bubble quickly. use hek or sobek and snipe him 50 meter+ away few shot and bubble and repeat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ceilous Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 i thin So, I took my Level 3 Mag to Captain Vor like I did last night, successfully. I was using a Burston, Hikou, and Skana Prime to keep my levels low so I wouldn't get roflstomped by some Lv15+ Vor. Vor was Level 3, very do-able though a mildly long battle. But... I drop in and its "LOL THE SHIP'S CRYOGENICS CORE IS MALFUNCTIONING! YOUR SHIELDS WILL TAKE A HIT FROM THE COLD HAHAHA!" .......seriously. If I weren't a Mag with a Redirection equipped, I would have had like......no shields whatsoever. Cryo should not be happening on Mercury, especially not if you're a low-leveled frame. First off your Mag and can restore your own shields + destroy enemies and Mag is a Warframe that gets a large amount of Shields it shouldn't bother you that much. Cryo should never happen coz its dumb. Cryo isn't dumb its a good environmental change that you need to adapt to if you don't like it then abort the mission otherwise just deal with it and adapt. We're Ninja's aren't we? We should know how to adapt to such environments why does ice hurt shields so much anyway? Any logical shield projection I can think of would actually benefit from lower temperatures. think of a Warframes Shield thing as themself. if they are constantly freezing you think you'd be able to defend as much considering your freezing cold and trying to fight things off though i do also agree that Ice shouldn't effect your shields but instead hurt your max stamina. In conclusion Cryo is a good challenge that you need to learn about early else you won't know how to deal with it later (imagine your first Cryo being on Pluto. Do you really want to walk in there, get that, and not know what to do about it) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xylia Posted July 21, 2013 Author Share Posted July 21, 2013 (edited) First off your Mag and can restore your own shields + destroy enemies and Mag is a Warframe that gets a large amount of Shields it shouldn't bother you that much. Did I not say "If I weren't a Mag with a Redirection....."? What would have happened on that Cryo Level had I been, oh, I don't know, Excalibur instead? Let's see... my Mag was 5 when I got to Vor, right? It is pretty easy for a Newbie to be serially unlucky with Redirection... let's assume Excalibur at Lv5 with no Redirection. I can't find any wiki info for what shields a Lv5 has. Lv1 has 100 shields, let's assume 120. That means -60- Shields on a Cryo Tolstoj as a newbie who isn't as skilled and/or who is lacking a redirection. Even WITH a Rank0 Redirection, that's only 80 shields after Cryo. 80 is barely better than the squishiest Warframe starts out on. Cryo should not be happening on Mercury, ever. Newbies just don't have the tools to really deal with that. I had things like Burston, Hikou, and a Skana Prime... that would have not been very fun without Shield Polarize, or having to use things like Lato, the regular Skana, or even an MK1. EDIT: Oh, I btw, I got 2 Cryo Levels in a row when doing Vor as a Mag (he gives roughly 1,200xp himself so that's a nice boost for a lowbie weapon and Mag herself). EDIT2: And all of the times I've done Mercury mission with lowbie frames and weapons, I have NEVER seen a Cryo Pre-U9. Ever. Edited July 21, 2013 by Xylia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ceres666 Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 (edited) There's this new hipster tactic that popped up last week. its called 'COVER". Or, if Cryo levels bug you THAT much, abort. Try again. Edited July 21, 2013 by Ceres666 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llyssa Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 why does ice hurt shields so much anyway? Any logical shield projection I can think of would actually benefit from lower temperatures. The most logical shield projection would be a thin jet of water constantly flowing around us and dampening any incoming force, dissipating the heat and the kinetic energy, and easily repairing itself as more water flows in to take the place of what was displaced. Surface tension water shielding is, in fact, the most common kind of personal shielding found on anything in real life nature. The most logical effect of relying on flowing water in an icy environment is that it would work poorly or not at all, as it would be frozen, and unable to perform the standard flow mechanics, and instead would be a brittle, easily broken coating, or a viscous, slowly flowing liquid that offers none of the benefits of rapid, dynamic surface tension. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PopTartZombie Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 (edited) Make cyro slow you instead of do shield systems dmg. then give electricity its well deserved, logical, usefulness! Edited July 21, 2013 by PopTartZombie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hameln Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 Make cyro slow you instead of do shield systems dmg. then give electricity its well deserved, logical, usefulness! Even more annoying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToeSama Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 I'm personally torn. I find Cryo to be an annoying effect that has limited value, but what little value it has is nice when it occurs. Shields on Corpus and large Grineer enemies like the heavygunners suffer from the cold, so it also makes those enemies easier to take down as well. I could probably stand to do without it, but I think it should be taken more realistically. A cryo problem should have a profound effect on the functions of any given ship/station. Lockdowns should be fewer between, alarms should be harder to trigger, and other system related problems that the lack of proper cooling equipment could cause should occur in tandem. Fire should also have additional stage effects that occur with it to give it a more profound sense of realism. The stage elements seem campy, and little more than a major annoyance right now with the way they're executed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voidcrash Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 Honestly, all these enviromental effects? They should be player triggered. If a map has a lot of shielded enemies, for example, I want to go and stab the cryo-core. Because if I can't have fun with shields, then the enemy can't have it either. Lots of lightly armored enemies? Boom goes the ammunition storage. We can already break glass and cause decompression, why aren't the rest of the enviromental effects in the hands of the player? Or enemy controlled in addition to us, so we can hear Lotus say: "oi m8, sum corpus plebs just wen' an' 'sploded the cryocore on dat grineer ship." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AureusVulpes Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 Or enemy controlled in addition to us, so we can hear Lotus say: "oi m8, sum corpus plebs just wen' an' 'sploded the cryocore on dat grineer ship." Crossover maps would definately get more interesting. +1 to this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NalkorRN Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 There's this new hipster tactic that popped up last week. its called 'COVER". Or, if Cryo levels bug you THAT much, abort. Try again. I got a better tactic whenever I start up a mission that has cryo (aside from the failed mobile defense run earlier for rifle amp): I hit escape and click abort mission and immediately give it another try. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeetza Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 If I join a mission in the harder areas that has the cryogenics malfunction I leave. It's no use wasting your time when you know you will fail the mission. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inberun Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 You know wat funny? Cryo Hazard in Corpus Outpost (outdoor tile set with frozen environment) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dasmir Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 its random in all missions and that was true before they increased the difficulty on Mercury. Best lesson is the one that kills you, so new players need to know sooner rather than later. Then they know to slow down and change tactics to take care of their shields. I will never forget the first Shielded Lancer I met doing the first rescue mission on Mercury, it killed me Mercury cant have altered enviroment, DE fixed that in others updates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SanguineXIII Posted July 26, 2013 Share Posted July 26, 2013 why does ice hurt shields so much anyway? Any logical shield projection I can think of would actually benefit from lower temperatures. Because the tenno power their shields with rechargeable batteries, obviously. And everyone knows how useless those things get in the cold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xylia Posted July 26, 2013 Author Share Posted July 26, 2013 (edited) Mercury cant have altered enviroment, DE fixed that in others updates. LOL. ok, next time I see Cryo at Vor, I'll screenshot it and prove you wrong. Shouldn't take long, because yanno it happens like 1 in 3 times. Edited July 26, 2013 by Xylia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gameboy350 Posted July 26, 2013 Share Posted July 26, 2013 I got cryo on vor, and it did have altered enviroment. Also, as a newbie mag player who relies too much on redirection, I can also confirm that cry is dumb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xylia Posted July 27, 2013 Author Share Posted July 27, 2013 http://cloud-2.steampowered.com/ugc/633039016686356960/03502C0E33D27B2E1E27DF4D129472CAB89AA023/ You can clearly see that I am targeting a Level 3 Grineer Lancer and there's Fire Damage near the grineer chest on the right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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