Volt_Cruelerz Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 (edited) Obviously this thread is just speculation as we know nothing about him other than his appearance. Even so, this is how I'd like to see him. I believe this would be a very viable risk/reward frame in which you don't just get instant gratification. You get rewarded for planning and investing over time. It would have inherent synergy with other frames and I believe would support teamplay and make the game more enjoyable, not just for those playing it but also for those fighting alongside it. Name: Legion Health: 100 Shields: 75 Armor: 20 Energy: 150 Speed: 0.95 Shield Recharge: 22 Sustain [15 energy] Description: infects the target with nanites that can sustain or reanimate the target upon taking lethal damage. On Ally Cast: cannot be reduced below 1 health for 5/6/7/8 seconds On Enemy Cast: if target dies within the next 5/6/7/8 seconds, it is reanimated with full health. Reanimated enemies have 100% of their health, 50% armor, and they lose 8/6/4/2% of their health per second passively. They will stay in the same area and attack enemies nearby. If their distance from Legion exceeds the range of Direct (or 20m if it is not equipped), they will tag along behind the player. Mods: Duration and Focus reduce the amount of passive health drain Direct [20 energy] Description: Commands all reanimated enemies to converge on the target location up to 20/30/40/50m On Terrain Cast: reanimated units move to the target location and attack nearby enemies On Ally Cast: reanimated units attack whatever is attacking the ally (can be used on cryopod) On Enemy Cast: all reanimated units focus fire on the target Mods: Stretch increases maximum range Drain [50 energy] Description: Disintegrates a reanimated unit to distribute its current health among all allies and other reanimations. Effect: instantly destroys one reanimated enemy and distributes its current health evenly among allies and other reanimations. If a Drain receiver is already at full health, the other receivers will receive that unit's portion. Mods: Focus increases the amount of health distributed Grey Goo [90 energy] Description: Cause all nanites to eat their hosts and infect others nearby. Effect: all reanimations are instantly destroyed and enemies within 5/6/7m of a reanimation take a stacking DoT of 100/140/180/240 serrated blade damage per second for 5 seconds. If they are killed by it, they become reanimated themselves. Mods: Duration, Focus, and Stretch apply as expected Edited August 23, 2013 by Volt_Cruelerz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Depar Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 (edited) 1. reanimate 2. control reanimate 3. absorb reanimate 4 corpse explosion, reanimate more what i want to say with it is not your ideas are bad Edited August 20, 2013 by Depar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trollin4ThePrimes Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 (edited) Seems rather boring and lackluster. A good way to make the Necro would be making him into a support like Trinity but with more offense as appose to max healing. Edited August 20, 2013 by dadgoat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Histori Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 I dunno how he will be, but i think they will made him better that Nova, this game is pure power creep every frame was better that the last one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volt_Cruelerz Posted August 20, 2013 Author Share Posted August 20, 2013 1. reanimate 2. control reanimate 3. absorb reanimate 4 corpse explosion, reanimate more what i want to say with it is not your ideas are bad True, but what are you getting at here?Seems rather boring and lackluster. A good way to make the Necro would be making him into a support like Trinity but with more offense as appose to max healing. how is it boring or lackluster? It's energy hungry, but I wouldn't call it boring (given how many options you have with things) or lackluster because it has a great deal of potential for damage and utility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Depar Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 1. im completly against the raise undead part but, i would throw the direct skill out the corpses should follow your aim, you shot something they go there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archistopheles Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 His name will be Grimdark because he is Grimdark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volt_Cruelerz Posted August 20, 2013 Author Share Posted August 20, 2013 1. im completly against the raise undead part but, i would throw the direct skill out the corpses should follow your aim, you shot something they go there So you don't want undead but you are giving a suggestion for undead-based skills? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Depar Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 (edited) So you don't want undead but you are giving a suggestion for undead-based skills? yes im completly against it, however you posted a legit skillset not like many others with the raise dead $hit, who i want to give a high five....in the face with a chair... so i post you mine feedback or do you want that i start to flame your opinon because its not my opinion? i know thats how the internet mostly work, but im against it Edited August 20, 2013 by Depar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady_Khaos Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 Name must now be Legion. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Althix Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 (edited) no. please now unholy reanimations. you are thinking like people about AM warframe. necroframe doesn't have to be about zombies. Edited August 20, 2013 by Althix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiegraf Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 (edited) Leech [25 Energy] Links the target with Necro; damage inflicted by Necro upon the target heals him by 1/2/4/8 HP per hit for 5/7/10/15 seconds. The target also has 10/20/30/40% less armor while linked, making it more vulnerable to common damage. At max rank, also causes shields to take 1% damage per second, preventing them from recharging. Thrall [50 Energy] Raises a single body back up which follows and attacks Necro's enemies for x seconds. A raised Thrall gains bonus Armor and melee damage based on the Thrall ability level. If used on an ally, should that ally fall from being out of HP while under the effect of Thrall, the ally is raised back up with 10(20)/20(40)/30(60)/40(80)% Health(Shield). Only one "Thrall" effect can be in use at once. Decrepit [75 Energy] Sends a shockwave in front of Necro which reduces the armor of enemies caught in it by X% for Y seconds, based on Decrepit's rank. Also causes a short stun on hit. Nightmare [100 Energy] Raises dead bodies in the area of effect; raised bodies attacks Necro's enemies and attempt to detonate in the manner that Infested do when near death. Ranks affects raised bodies Health, Armor and melee damage as well as detonation damage. Might cause enemies to freak out at the moment of raising but only once (should they survive the initial Nightmare) Edited August 20, 2013 by Wiegraf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neuhnee Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 So...an Unholy Deathknight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiegraf Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 go create you own thread Apparently, this thread here is on the topic of how people expect Necro to come out; Volt offered his ideas in a well developped manner. I did too. If you're against 'reanimation' ideas, then you're entitled to voice it (and you did) but I don't see the need to create another thread about Necro when this one here is exactly about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Depar Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 (edited) Apparently, this thread here is on the topic of how people expect Necro to come out; Volt offered his ideas in a well developped manner. I did too. wrong, this thread is about how OP see it, not you If you're against 'reanimation' ideas, then you're entitled to voice it (and you did) but I don't see the need to create another thread about Necro when this one here is exactly about that. yes, i'm against it, even with the explaining using nanobots the point about creating you own thread is, now you "leeching" attention away from OP version and honestly thats not better than throwing his idea from the table, b1tchslaping him, and set you version at the place talkin about manners Edited August 20, 2013 by Depar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiegraf Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 Neither is it good etiquette to start 10 threads about the same subject, which just causes the main pages to be filled with the same (or similar) titles when there are already threads open about the subject which would make sense to add to it to avoid spam. Nevertheless, that's your view on the matter. Just noting however that only 2 of the 4 abilities I suggested deal with reanimation; the other 2 are about debuffs so my guess is that you didn't bother reading through in favor for a quick reply. [case closed] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoboDoge Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 Necro could be something like affliction Warlock from WoW ( for you that know what he does ), damage over time and debuffing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTG3000 Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 Hmm... Bone armour [25 energy] Necro utilizes his abilities to turn bodies of the foes into a makeshift armour. While ability is active, armour health stacks up from three to nine times, depending on how many foes die in the ability range, the armour remaining on until it's done for. Using Focus improves the 'armour' value, that is used on this armours' defence. Rise [25 energy] Rises up to three dead bodies to fight on necros' side. The amount of undead is not limited, but going above 6 lowers new thralls' health. Mass curse [75 energy] Necro launches a projectile, that contaginates an area with nanites, who in turn lower the armour and accuracy of the targets, up to 50 %, along with a chance for their weapon to explode, dealing massive damage. No time to die [100 energy] Necro affects whole team, making them unable to be downed for the duration of the ability, while still taking damage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiegraf Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 Necro could be something like affliction Warlock from WoW ( for you that know what he does ), damage over time and debuffing. Yeah, it could be; we do have a few 'effects' right now but no real 'debuffs' other than a select few frames which abilities tend to put on a debuff but also to die too quickly for the debuffs to be worthwhile. Maybe Necro's abilities could be auras that afflicts a continuous effect on enemies that are inside his AoE or a sort of burst that affects those within range when it's used? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Depar Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 (edited) Necro could be something like affliction Warlock from WoW ( for you that know what he does ), damage over time and debuffing. Yeah, it could be; we do have a few 'effects' right now but no real 'debuffs' other than a select few frames which abilities tend to put on a debuff but also to die too quickly for the debuffs to be worthwhile. Maybe Necro's abilities could be auras that afflicts a continuous effect on enemies that are inside his AoE or a sort of burst that affects those within range when it's used? i quite like the idea of the dotlock from wow i created my version of the necro a bit around it debuffs and dot dmg also it appears someone deleted my latest post /edit yea it seems it got deleted ~ snip ~ 1. op as hek, we talkin about over 2k if we take the lowest health of all warframes to calculate that(focus not inklusive) 2. uncreative reanimte . . again 3. radial disarm to throw with dmg 4. a worse blessing from trin also go create you own thread Edited August 20, 2013 by Depar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTG3000 Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 i quite like the idea of the dotlock from wow i created my version of the necro a bit around it debuffs and dot dmg also it appears someone deleted my latest post /edit yea it seems it got deleted 1. op as hek, we talkin about over 2k if we take the lowest health of all warframes to calculate that(focus not inklusive) 2. uncreative reanimte . . again 3. radial disarm to throw with dmg 4. a worse blessing from trin also What do people have against one centralized thread on Necros abilities? It's as if being handy was a personal offence or something. More to the point... 1 - not all that OP really, 2k damage is not that much. 2 - it's a Necro frame. What's the point if it won't have hordes of fps-dropping undead following it? 3 - Mostly a debuff. Radial disarm does nothing to increace the damage. 4 - Could be a BETTER blessing if combined with small enough cast time. Hard to save people with Blessing when the level gets high enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volt_Cruelerz Posted August 20, 2013 Author Share Posted August 20, 2013 (edited) I personally have never been a fan of "part your ideas here threads." That just seems presumptuous and doesn't necessarily allow for sufficient discussion on it. I'm also generally not a fan of people posting their ideas in someone else's idea thread unless they are doing a compare/contrast thing where they are trying to discuss the differences between alternatives and the pros and cons of each. So for those that have posted their ideas here, what advantages do your ideas have over mine that make them good alternatives? Also, Depar, why are you opposed to zombie mechanics? Too overdone? You don't enjoy playing those roles? What? Edited August 20, 2013 by Volt_Cruelerz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Depar Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 (edited) I personally have never been a fan of "part your ideas here threads." That just seems presumptuous and doesn't necessarily allow for sufficient discussion on it. I'm also generally not a fan of people posting their ideas in someone else's idea thread unless they are doing a compare/contrast thing where they are trying to discuss the differences between alternatives and the pros and cons of each. So for those that have posted their ideas here, what advantages do your ideas have over mine that make them good alternatives? Also, Depar, why are you opposed to zombie mechanics? Too overdone? You don't enjoy playing those roles? What? its boring, and we already have nyx who accomplish the point turning enemys to friends What do people have against one centralized thread on Necros abilities? It's as if being handy was a personal offence or something. More to the point... 1 - not all that OP really, 2k damage is not that much. 2 - it's a Necro frame. What's the point if it won't have hordes of fps-dropping undead following it? 3 - Mostly a debuff. Radial disarm does nothing to increace the damage. 4 - Could be a BETTER blessing if combined with small enough cast time. Hard to save people with Blessing when the level gets high enough. their are collecting threads for necro in WF Feedback,Generel discussion and fan concept 1. no its not that op, if you think that iron skin gives you 1200 on max rank and 1560 with max focus 2. you say it its necro, not necromancer 3. it dosnt increase the dmg, it just do dmg, dont you have you own skillset in mind, lol? 4. dont change the point its a copy from blessing calculation for 1 lowest base health of all the frames 225 2025 normal 2632,5 with focus, yea not op Edited August 20, 2013 by Depar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTG3000 Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 (edited) its boring, and we already have nyx who accomplish the point turning enemys to friends their are collecting threads for necro in WF Feedback,Generel discussion and fan concept 1. no its not that op, if you think that iron skin gives you 1200 on max rank and 1560 with max focus 2. you say it its necro, not necromancer 3. it dosnt increase the dmg, it just do dmg, dont you have you own skillset in mind, lol? 4. dont change the point its a copy from blessing 1. Yup. ~ 2k for a frame that has way less health and armour. 2. Well, we're not going for -phile, and I'm not going to play a frame that just lies there. And even less do I want a poser goth frame. Pet frame would at least be fresh. 3. Well, and curse would amplify damage, much like MP does now. Mix of disarm and MP, u mad? But seriously, that would be far from first "that other ability, but with a twist". 4. And rhino charge is a copy from slashdash. And it works differently. THE HORROR. I personally have never been a fan of "part your ideas here threads." That just seems presumptuous and doesn't necessarily allow for sufficient discussion on it. I'm also generally not a fan of people posting their ideas in someone else's idea thread unless they are doing a compare/contrast thing where they are trying to discuss the differences between alternatives and the pros and cons of each. So for those that have posted their ideas here, what advantages do your ideas have over mine that make them good alternatives? Also, Depar, why are you opposed to zombie mechanics? Too overdone? You don't enjoy playing those roles? What? Okay, sorry... I just seen this thread and it sparked in my head "post your ideas here". I like one-thread things more because they at least gather everything in one place, since it would seem I'm missing a plenty of "my Necro ideas" threads. More to the point, I like your ideas of an undead manipulator frame, but it would make the frame somewhat onesided. Personally I would fuse the second and third abilities into one "command" ability, that would do different things based on wether or not it's aimed on floor (go there), enemy (shoot at him), ally (bunch around), or a reanimate (explode and contaminate stuff around), and use up the third and forth to do something else, that would give the frame some choice in the matter. Edited August 20, 2013 by GTG3000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volt_Cruelerz Posted August 20, 2013 Author Share Posted August 20, 2013 its boring, and we already have nyx who accomplish the point turning enemys to friends their are collecting threads for necro in WF Feedback,Generel discussion and fan concept 1. no its not that op, if you think that iron skin gives you 1200 on max rank and 1560 with max focus 2. you say it its necro, not necromancer 3. it dosnt increase the dmg, it just do dmg, dont you have you own skillset in mind, lol? 4. dont change the point its a copy from blessing I can see the Nyx overlap and I tried to avoid that as much as possible in the OP. The version you see is after several mental revisions of the idea ever since the art was shown on the livestream. I was hoping that due to mechanical differences it would be sufficiently different from Mind Control/Chaos. As for boring, why? Do you find Nyx gameplay boring as well then? Okay, sorry... I just seen this thread and it sparked in my head "post your ideas here". I like one-thread things more because they at least gather everything in one place, since it would seem I'm missing a plenty of "my Necro ideas" threads. More to the point, I like your ideas of an undead manipulator frame, but it would make the frame somewhat onesided. Personally I would fuse the second and third abilities into one "command" ability, that would do different things based on wether or not it's aimed on floor (go there), enemy (shoot at him), ally (bunch around), or a reanimate (explode and contaminate stuff around), and use up the third and forth to do something else, that would give the frame some choice in the matter. I know. It's just that I've seen all too many good ideas generated in those threads get glossed over because unless you're really into that subject, you aren't going to read everything from page 1 to page 8 that those things tend to grow to. I can see the desire to merge into the directive ability, but I'd rather merge Drain into Direct than Grey Goo which seems like something that shouldn't just be a single target. Sacrifice your entire "army" to attempt to create a new one. If Drain were to go into Direct, what would you suggest for a new 3? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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