(PSN)Radehx
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18 hours ago, TheEnchantedLord said:
I noticed this when I was trying out this new build, and I noticed something weird when I was testing Ash prime's abilities on different enemies.
Your slash procs will do more damage if you hit stuff that's open to finisher damage. So you could pick a weapon that opens them up to finishers (Zakti, etc) and improve your shuriken damage that way.
Having said that, I'd use the seeking shuriken mod to strip armor and then double up with a viral/slash/gas/toxin weapon. The kills per second you can get that way are pretty nuts. You can strip all armor at the push of a button, hit them with a viral proc to remove 50% of health and whatever is left is super easy to take out.
The seeking shuriken Ash with a gas Zarr, viral Pox and viral/slash Lesion is my favorite setup with pretty insane damage. The combo basically allows for AOE damage because of the gas/viral clouds. You can nuke entire groups quickly that way.
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Nidus, Wukong and Inaros are all great frames that can carry you into endgame thanks to their tank...the latter 2 require the use of CL daggers though eventually since their damage starts to fall off quicker. With the removal of Naramon stealth, you basically need a way to mitigate damage either through regular stealth or tank. Or pick Wukong/Nidus who can come back from the dead.
A great alternative is Limbo imo...and here's why:
1) Nothing can touch you, despite being a squishy frame and having no stealth.
2) You can get 3000%+ melee damage bonuses with the rift torrent mod.
3) Status procs never end as long as stasis is up. Getting 1min of continuous slash & viral procs melts everything.
You don't need a max range setup for this to work, a negative range max strength/duration build is much better imo because it'll make it easier to deal with nullifiers. Those guys are Limbo's big weakness because they force him to fight outside the rift where he's veeeeery squishy. In short, you have to be either super fast killing them, or cheat by creating a Life Strike slash proc tank before exiting the rift to buy yourself a bit of a buffer tank.
He's hands down one of the melee frames with the highest damage output though...only Excal with Chromatic Blade comes close imo.
Having said all that, if you are really good at parkour and dodging, you can make squishy frames work too...it's just a lot harder and more intensive to play that way. You CAN go into late endgame solo with Banshee, and it's great fun...but you'll have to be really good at dodging and playing like a coward, because every enemy sneezing at you will kill you.
Cliff notes: Get Nidus...never look back ;)
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With the rift torrent mod you can get a ridiculous melee damage boost...and paired with stasis ensuring procs never end, he's already a ridiculously strong melee frame.
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Pick whatever primary & secondary is the most fun...and effective against Nullifiers. Personally, I run with a Zarr (so I don't have to aim perfectly) and viral Pox.
In terms of melee weapon, you definitely want the rift torrent mod for a pretty massive damage boost...and something that has good status chance. Status procs never end for Limbo as long as stasis is up, so rigging for good status damage rocks. I run with a viral/slash Lesion...also using life strike for sweet life strike burst tanks that last as long as stasis is up and my health siphon enemies don't die.
I don't really use guns inside Cataclysm, but if I did, I'd pick a strong single shot weapon rather than something driving up my bullet-meter too quickly. So something like a Dread would be good.
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His Koga skin turns him into Warframe's ultimate ninja :D
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Wukong because he's immortal and all you have to do for it is toggle Defy every couple of minutes. Nidus is also immortal, but you need to work a bit more for it by building stacks. Inaros is immortal too, but he has to interrupt gameplay to come back from the dead. Oberon can only come back once every 90sec.
Most of the other tank frames have strong tanks and/or damage mitigation, but cannot come back from the dead on their own.
No one makes it easier to not die than Wukong...but honorable mention goes to Limbo for also being totally unkillable in the rift, not outside though.
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Ivara, Ash, Limbo, Wukong & Nidus
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16 minutes ago, Ascended1QQ said:
I have played him but he needs to stack before his damage shows up.
Yup...but it's super easy to build stacks quickly unless you are fighting lvl20 trash mobs.
Link up, drop maggot garden, drop squid, line up maggots and only then hit virulence. You can build stacks incredibly fast that way. You can get a good 250k damage per stomp if you're linked up and maggots are doing their job.
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1 minute ago, kgabor said:
Ash is in a state that just makes it pointless to take this frame.
He's hands down one of the top 3 solo endless run frames due to a crazy high kills per second figure. Strip armor with his 1 (up to 8 targets with a single cast) and whack 'em with a viral/slash weapon to also remove half health. Everything turns into paper at the push of 2 buttons which takes like a second.
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2 minutes ago, DatDarkOne said:
Let them come. Ash can melee them while I snipe with Artemis from Dashwire. Mwuhahahahahaha
edit: This makes me wonder if Ash can activate BS (or any other abilities) while on a Dashwire. I never tried it. Hmmmm
He can't recast his cloak on dashwire if I remember correctly.
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12 minutes ago, Nazrethim said:
I agree too. Mostly because I don't actually see him as a Stealth frame. He doesn't have Invisibility to stealth trough. Sure, you can use it for that (and most do), but his purpose, at least the one that makes sense with his theme, is to keep himself safe while he causes havoc among enemies with decoys, switch teleports and taking everyone's guns (and in the past, arms)
Some people will murder you for this view :D
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Just now, DatDarkOne said:
Overhyped POS frame.
Finally someone who agrees Loki's outclassed by the other stealth frames :D
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If it requires a super specific build to work, then it's not working.
Says who? Why is that the standard? Because you think so?
Looking at frames while ignoring standard stat mods and augments makes no sense whatsoever. That's like comparing them based on base stats only which is obviously dumb. Ivara needs decent duration and efficiency to keep up her cloak...and you need corrupted mods for that. If you just rate her without those standard (!!!) mods, of course you'll whine that she constantly runs out of energy or that your cloak drops too often getting you killed all the time...but that wouldn't be fair, because she's a total stealth monster with those standard mods.
It's akin to saying McGregor is a really S#&$ty MMA fighter if you tie both of his hands to his back...makes no sense whatsoever :D
And while I don't think BS is great because the cut scenes get bloody annoying after a while and disrupt game flow...it does exactly what the game description says. It kills stuff on the star chart by teleporting to it. Unless you go to stupid levels, that's exactly what he does...and I don't think it's fair to rate abilities based on endless run level content.
At endgame levels, BS turns into a get out of jail card...but that is the same for a lot of abilities that become less useful at those levels. Saryn's molt is great too until you hit those levels where it simply dies too quickly.
I dunno, I run mostly MOT survivals and imo he's one of the best frames to keep up kills per second with SS and a viral weapon...I don't even fit a dagger anymore and run with a viral/slash Lesion instead. It's pretty fun to play that way and makes you feel like a true ninja, especially with his Koga skin. Solo, I don't know of many frames that can keep up with him in terms of kills per second...and in teams, he can still reliably strip armor of up to 8 enemies casting his 1 just once. And you can spam that like a madman...energy isn't really much of an issue with the SS build.
I agree with you that his 4 isn't great and for what I do, it's really only an "ups, I #*($%%@ up and need a few secs breathing room" ability. And the cut scenes while cool, get old super quick. But he's still a highly efficient frame...especially for high level content.
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1 minute ago, Legion-Shields said:
MAG
She's OP, needs another nerf!
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5 minutes ago, Ascended1QQ said:
Saryn Prime because who doesnt corrosive, viral and toxin? I love casterframes. Which is why I also enjoy Mag and Nyx.
Gara is also neat. She reminds me a bit of Saryn. Both have dmg reduction. Mass CC on 4 and quite nice 1 ability.
You want to give Nidus a go if you like caster frames and synergies between skills ;)
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10 minutes ago, Nazrethim said:
You fell into the same trap others did. It's not how good he is with a specialized build that's more minmaxed than R2D2. It's how well he does with a regular build made with regular mods (that is, the 30% mods, EHP mods, some basic mobility and maybe an augment or two etc, not Corrupted or Primed or Arcanes) on the general content (that is, Starchart content and Sorties). Endurance isn't balanced so it isn't accountable for balancing. The reason BS is nigh useless now is because DE decided to balance it around the metabuilds players were using instead of making it work by default, so we ended up with a pointless redundant ability that's slow as a snail, costs more energy than the frame has capacity for, makes 1 stat mandatory while making another a dumpstat (when previously they were good but optional), fixed none of the issues the ability had (spam was a player issue, not a power issue) killing any build diversity the frame had (did you know that pre-nerf BS was good with less range as it was with extra? It gave you control over what you BStormed and helped avoiding getting stuck on an eximi you didn't see coming) and killed his Teampotential entirely. Bringing Ash to a squad adds nothing besides Stripping armor to a few enemies or a boss. Or the ocassional SShadow Revive (because it's pretty much the ONLY function it has)
There's also the fact that both BS and FT are redundant, both do the exact same thing. "Misma mierda con distinto olor". Compare to pre-nerf when both had clearly different functions.
The stats don't tell the whole story.
Joke Nitpick: And what does SS means here? Seeking Shuriken? Smoke Screen? Smoke Shadow?
Why on earth are frames now measured based on using crappy mods with them??? That's just as stupid as "rating" Oberon without taking Phoenix Renewal into consideration...or decent mods boosting your efficiency.
What Ash brings to the team is DAMAGE and the ability to keep up kills per second...and he excels at that until stupid levels, which is why he's one of the best frames for long Survival runs. At the same time, he can also take out strong single targets with FT. Also, FT and BS aren't the same. FT can give you back energy which is helpful with Eximus around for example. And BS is now more of a "get out of jail free" card...just keep it up and only trigger it when you're in trouble. Imo it's not meant to be "just" a damage ability past trash mob levels.
SS = seeking shuriken...yup.
You can melt entire groups in seconds with SS and a viral AOE weapon. This isn't just me saying all this by the way...some of the chaps who specialize in long endless runs love him too...for good reason:
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2 hours ago, Frosthaven83 said:
When I'm with friends - Limbo - because he takes understanding and real effort to play correctly and not upset everyone (though wf isn't really a skill heavy game, I try to find skillcap challenges for myself as my enjoyment). That new tennogen is amazing as well!
When I'm with pubs - well, I'll let you know when I choose pubs over friends.
Every Limbo player should be forced to watch this:
If you follow this guide, you'll be a great Limbo player and people will stop ranting against you. I now run a negative range, max strength/duration melee rift torrent Limbo and it's rare for me to get hate. If someone rants, it's mostly at the start of the match before they figure out I'm a negative range Limbo who doens't blindly banish half the map. More people seem to catch on to that lately because I find more and more people use my "mini" Cataclysm as a safe space or to regen energy...I even have more people telling me they're ok with me banishing them. Those requests are often coming from frames like Nidus who can still use abilities through the rift.
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Ash, Ivara, Nidus, Wukong & Limbo...all equally, don't have a favorite...but those are the 5 frames I play 99.9% of the time.
Ash is my aggro stealth ninja thanks to armor stripping paired with a viral/slash Lesion turning everything into wet paper, Ivara my slower more methodical CC ninja, Nidus has a crazy scaling tank/damage and his abilities synergize amazingly well (that synergy should be the standard for frames going forward), Wukong can't die and frees me up to focus on weapons rather than abilities (making him a great run & gun frame) and Limbo can get ridiculous melee damage bonuses thanks to rift torrent giving him 3000%+ melee damage bonus and status procs never ending as long as stasis is up.
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53 minutes ago, Nazrethim said:
Probably, but Ash, as a killer frame, is outperformed by other killer frames, ergo he is redundant whenever you don't go solo, and if you go solo you are pretty much scr*wed if the situation demands mass slaughter unless you already carry a mass slaughter weapon with you.
This didn't happen in the past, sure, Bladespam was a problem, but outside of idiotic spammers the ability was in a good spot. It was awesome for clearing grunts, but had severe damage reduction against Eximi and enemies affected by either Disruptors or Healers. It was meant for clearing grunts, while Teleport was meant for assassinating high priority targets. Problem was that didn't matter much and players just spammed their way anyway.
My point is, either Teleport needs to be scrapped and replaced with something to clear small groups of grunts, or Blade Storm needs to be turned into a mass slaughter tool again. Single-target assassins have no place in Warframe.
There are very few frames who'll outperform him for solo survival runs...because it's not just damage that matters. Maim Equinox does more damage, but he's never lasting as long as Ash for solo runs. Ash's kills per second figure is still extremely high up to stupid levels...
As for him being able to take out groups...he can already do that incredibly quickly with SS and a viral weapon, up to 1000 levels.
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4 hours ago, (PS4)Crixus044 said:
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You're totally and utterly wrong, the Seeking Shurkinen & viral weapon setup easily carries Ash into the 1000 levels ;)
Also, Ivara's Artemis bow drops off way earlier...and to be clear, I'm saying this as someone who's favorite frame is Ivara. She has other advantages over Ash, but damage isn't one of them.
QuoteAlso, about loki, his invis is the longest...
Given I never have to recast Prowl with Ivara...nope ;)
Loki sits in the middle between Ash and Ivara when it comes to how cumbersome stealth is.
Ash is the damage stealth frame, Loki CC and Ivara is decent at both...and I'd argue her hard CC is actually stronger than Loki's. Neither Ivara nor Loki will beat Ash in terms of kills per second.
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1 minute ago, Nazrethim said:
Anyway, the points still stand:
Ash's first 3 abilities work fine, they aren't super amaizing, but they are fine for most content (though SShadow not being affected by Range makes no sense). The problem is Blade Storm. It's too slow, too expensive and it's damage, while strong, doesn't actually make up for the previous failures.
Ash needs a crowd killing tool, a real one, even if it's only effective against grunts.
Viral AOE weapon & Seeking Shuriken = crowd killing
Not a room nuker, but takes out groups easily enough.
Bladestorm's cut scenes get old too quickly though and take up too much time though...even if it looks kinda cool.
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12 minutes ago, (PS4)Crixus044 said:
No, we're having a discussion on HOW he's effective. He CAN make it to endgame, but it ain't a yellow brick road, while many other frames have versatility in how they are effective, even if it includes augments. Fatal Teleport is honestly really good, but it's slow and monotonous. Seeking Shuriken doesn't help ash as much as it helps allies, which was it's purpose.Two ability that needs an augment doesn't excuse the rest of the frame.
Why doesn't help Seeking Shuriken Ash? It completely strips stuff off armor for him and if you double down with a viral weapon (Zarr, Pox, etc.), everything you fight is without armor and half health. You can melt entire groups super quick that way. Scales incredibly well and is faster than the FT setup.
I only really use his 4 in case I mess up...as a panic button. I only switch it on when I'm in a riskier position...and then only actually trigger it when I mess up. Buys you a bit of time.
A lot of frames need mods to really work well, so that's imo not an argument. Hell, some of the best Hydroid setups need 3 of his augments...but a lot need at least 1.
If I want less cumbersome stealth, extra loot and better CC, I pick Ivara. If I want a higher kills per second figure and care less about providing my team with CC, I pick Ash. Dunno where Loki fits in tbh since I prefer Ivara's hard CC over his kit, and Ash outdamages Loki too.
Both can go up to stupid levels and are kings/queens of survivals, just in different ways. Ivara's the old school Japanese Ninja...very methodical. Ash is Beatrix Kiddo from Kill Bill in that crazy scene where she slaughters hordes of enemies.
Ash's Koga skin is probably the most ninja'esque skin in Warframe...
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Wait...are we seriously having a discussion about whether Ash is effective at high level content? This is a joke, right?
Ivara's great for survivals because she gets double loot, making it super easy to keep up life support...and just like Ash, she has great single target damage. She's better at CC, but not much faster in terms of killing stuff that way.
But to claim she outright has a higher kills per second figure is ridiculous. Her Artemis bow is still slower than Ash's seeking shuriken & viral weapon combo in terms of kps.
I'm not saying she's better or worse, I love Ivara and she's my most-played frame...but to claim she outdamages a properly set up Ash in terms of kps is ridiculous.
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Ivara's the one frame being able to do it all...double loot trivializing survivals, perma-stealth without recasts, amazing damage bonuses, endlessly scaling damage, cloaking allies and amazing hard CC.
Limbo, Nidus, Wukong and especially Ash come close though.
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Posted · Edited by (PS4)Radehx
Saryn IS great for endurance runs because she scales so well, just like armor stripping frames. You remove half of enemy health no matter the enemy level, which scales better than most other damage.
Ash can kill a stupid amount of enemies in very little time thanks to the armor stripping, so it's obviously a great choice. With Ivara, you are forced to use CL daggers because she can't just click one button to strip armor. She does offer more utility though...both are amazing endgame frames, if not the best 2. Ignoring Octavia here because I hate watching timers run down ;)
I know Saryn has various issues, but given there's a dude doing 7hr+ runs with her...she's definitely a good endgame frame.