Warframe has been too Hellenized.

[(XBOX)XGN DrFeelGood]

   Over the years Warframe had made sense with the temporary events, story based quests, story arch quests, and content / game modes. There was all this time to go back to making the game make sense again. All this money was spent from consumers and we didn’t get back Raids, endless Void Towers, super reworks to Warframes on Prime release, and polished content. 

 

  1. Instead we got Hildra, who has no back story. It went up to Grendel who has no story either and has replaced Mesa as the next least recommend Warframe farm. We were supposed to stick to getting parts from playing the quest for the new gen warframes, like we did with Titania. 

 

2. Repeated Razorbacks, Fomorians, Ghouls, Thermia fractures, and now a Tenno Baum with no rewards per tier. It’s not the ‘Straw that broke the camel’s back’ ; but a clear sign that gaps are left there and hitting a switch, instead of patching in story isn’t hitting the nail on the head, just denting it out of place.

 

3. Conclave was supposed to grow. Arbitration was supposed to take half the time to give rewards for the player’s effort to endure. Weapons still hit the glass ceiling as nerfs to Rivers and weapons are being followed. It’s a lot of content when plugging in Sorties, Syndicate missions, Fissures, Teralyst hunting, Profit taker, Zaw weapons and secondary crafting with Santurary Onslaught. These items are different selections; but removing the goal of endless void missions and not having Raids back is a downsizing of the game. Rail jack might replace raids for contemporary content; but is not supposed to get rid of the promise on returning the Raids after the bug fixes and guides added.

 

4. Open Worlds have been stuck under a major glass celling too. The player could go to the mountains in the War Within quest; but the best updates The Plains of Eidolon got were mission stations, environment rework, and a Vascara Kavat. These things were added; but we weren’t to touch the mountain range behind the Grid on discussion for future updates.

   Orb Valius can have the same said about it. Doing puzzles to find the collectibles doesn’t put to use the environment the right way. There’s robot fish from the orokin empire, rooking vaults that weren’t opened, the sphere that people used to grind out their vent kids standing, the temple of profit, and all these others areas. All we got out of the major use of the locations was the Profit Taker missions and the Ghermia Fracture Orb Mother used for that mountain to the far right.

 

   Other than that Plains of Diviri as shown at Tenno Con is going to be largely unused and fighting the faction of enemies that look like Ballas is going to not fit in with The New War content.

 

5. The modes could have been improved so it would be complete content. Sanctuary Onslaught, the grift ball mode, some recent characters, and other functions to the game just sit there and take up data. Bethesda takes it’s Fallout 76 and 4 game to keep updating them to fix their bugs and add files. Files could be added to this game. If it’s semi console and PC, then things such as mod friendly content or such could be playable.

 

In all this game isn’t making sense anymore. The story isn’t being told anymore and enemies and content are getting spin offs to gain a few hours of player time from each account over the months to do that again. The staff is work hard, just not doing it the way that was successful. New staff replacements and months of rebalancing projects isn’t attractive to the consumers. The layers of the game don’t need to replaced if they are good, they just need more structure on top of each foundation.

[Midas]

This game is purely about money and unfinished projects.

That should have been visible as of 3-4 years ago was it not?

[(XBOX)XGN DrFeelGood]

3 hours ago, Midas said:

This game is purely about money and unfinished projects.

That should have been visible as of 3-4 years ago was it not?

It may not be on the level of Anthem; but if we had Warfeame available for mobile it would hit where it hurts most.

[Divinehero]

...what the heck is hellenized?

[DeathDweller]

10 hours ago, Divinehero said:

...what the heck is hellenized?

Became greek apparently.How the OP came with that conclusion is beyond me.Just throw random words too sound sophisticated i guess.

Edited December 12, 2019 by DeathDweller

[Midas]

3 hours ago, DeathDweller said:

Became greek apparently.How the OP came with that conclusion is beyond me.Just throw random words too sound sophisticated i guess.

Hellenistic is the mixing of cultures. Specifically Persia and Greece + Egypt after Alexander the Great took most of Persia and Egypt.

[DeathDweller]

1 hour ago, Midas said:

Hellenistic is the mixing of cultures. Specifically Persia and Greece + Egypt after Alexander the Great took most of Persia and Egypt.

Ik im greek

[Seph-Aldaire]

Grendel has a story, you just didn't listen to it. Although it doesn't have a quest they did state that it wasn't going to be feasible release warframes with a quest attached at the rate they want to release them.

[(PSN)FriendSharkey]

Just checking to collect forma, level whatever has to be leveled, and max out my Syndicate standing....and then out and back to NMS...

[queckquack]

lol

[(PSN)RazorPhoenix970]

23 hours ago, (XB1)XGN DrFeelGood said:

Instead we got Hildra, who has no back story. It went up to Grendel who has no story

Of the recent frames only Garuda, Hildryn and Baruuk don't have stories of any kind. I would suggest creating Leverian Entries for them since that seems more feasible for DE to do at this point in time.

23 hours ago, (XB1)XGN DrFeelGood said:

Repeated Razorbacks, Fomorians, Ghouls, Thermia fractures

I see nothing wrong with this, it's only that these events are boring for the most part and have mediocre rewards. Currently the only reoccuring event worth doing is Plague Star due to the rewards entirely, DE knows this and selectively brings it in deliberately

 

23 hours ago, (XB1)XGN DrFeelGood said:

 Arbitration was supposed to take half the time to give rewards for the player’s effort to endure

For the most part arbitration rotations are fine as they are currently

 

23 hours ago, (XB1)XGN DrFeelGood said:

the goal of endless void missions

They weren't a goal they were an optional path. I can agree though that the Void has lost any semblance of imposing presence, its just THERE at the moment

On 2019-12-12 at 4:46 AM, (XB1)XGN DrFeelGood said:

but we weren’t to touch the mountain range behind the Grid

Let's be real here, there would be nothing there

On 2019-12-12 at 4:46 AM, (XB1)XGN DrFeelGood said:

There’s robot fish from the orokin empire, rooking vaults that weren’t opened, the sphere that people used to grind out their vent kids standing, the temple of profit, and all these others areas. All we got out of the major use of the locations was the Profit Taker missions and the Ghermia Fracture Orb Mother used for that mountain to the far right.

Fair point, I support you on that

On 2019-12-12 at 4:46 AM, (XB1)XGN DrFeelGood said:

Other than that Plains of Diviri as shown at Tenno Con is going to be largely unused and fighting the faction of enemies that look like Ballas is going to not fit in with The New War content.

As if no one is seeing this coming

 

On 2019-12-12 at 4:46 AM, (XB1)XGN DrFeelGood said:

they just need more structure on top of each foundation

The foundation itself needs work

 

On 2019-12-12 at 4:46 AM, (XB1)XGN DrFeelGood said:

In all this game isn’t making sense anymore.

The game does make sense, what I think you're trying to say is that the game is stagnant and stale

[(XBOX)XGN DrFeelGood]

22 hours ago, Divinehero said:

...what the heck is hellenized?

   It’s a way of thinking to bring someone or something down to a debased way of thinking. Primarily used by the Romans and Greeks to force their culture and ideas onto others after conquering them. 

 

   For example, you do and don’t do certain things because of the results of it. Some barbarians were to come and swarm your land like the sands of the sea. It was to take your land, resources, technology, and wisdom. Then they would take your hard work and mess it up. As a result your wisdom would be turned into a philosophy, your ethics into a religion they crafted, your technology labeled as their own, and say “we took your land in the name of manifest dynasty.” 

 

   Two cases of hellenization at it’s worst is the conquest of the Americas through betrayal and the account of the books of Maccabees 1 and 2.

Edited December 13, 2019 by (XB1)XGN DrFeelGood

[(XBOX)XGN DrFeelGood]

2 hours ago, (PS4)RazorPhoenix970 said:

Of the recent frames only Garuda, Hildryn and Baruuk don't have stories of any kind. I would suggest creating Leverian Entries for them since that seems more feasible for DE to do at this point in time.

I see nothing wrong with this, it's only that these events are boring for the most part and have mediocre rewards. Currently the only reoccuring event worth doing is Plague Star due to the rewards entirely, DE knows this and selectively brings it in deliberately

 

For the most part arbitration rotations are fine as they are currently

 

They weren't a goal they were an optional path. I can agree though that the Void has lost any semblance of imposing presence, its just THERE at the moment

Let's be real here, there would be nothing there

Fair point, I support you on that

As if no one is seeing this coming

 

The foundation itself needs work

 

The game does make sense, what I think you're trying to say is that the game is stagnant and stale

   The best way to sum up the point is the Athlete has won their medal in the race and sits on the reward cash. They don’t need to keep their momentum going anymore. They can put their best picture on a cereal box and that will make them money in months to come.

 

   It’s when their celebrity cash starts coming up short that they show the impression that they’re serious again.

[-Kittens-]

21 hours ago, Divinehero said:

...what the heck is hellenized?

Flanderization to the point of megaboring.

 

TEH KIDS ARE PLAY OPAN WURLD MAKE OPEN WORD GAEM GET REECH MONEYS *1 year later chirping crickets*

TEH KIDS WAN STORIES MAKE CRY GOOD STORIES REECH MONEY *WF's story is basically justifying broken ass operators existing*

TEH KIDS ARE PLAY MEME GAEM PUT MEME MAN IN WARFARMS GET REECH MONEYS aka Grendel, Garuda, Revenant

 

Warframe was supposed to be Space Ninjas, Rail Jacking, and has a combat loop to go with. In the intervening years there's just been shoe horn after shoe horn of essentially unrelated material mechanics and content, some of it manages to congeal, some of it doesn't and sticks out like a sore thumb, thematically and mechanically speaking.

What was a very focused and "pristine" us vs them combat game is now a spaghettified mess of THE LATEST THING HURRY BUY NOW, and a bunch of it doesn't fit back into the original gaming loop.

[(PSN)RazorPhoenix970]

3 hours ago, -Kittens- said:

What was a very focused and "pristine" us vs them combat game is now a spaghettified mess of THE LATEST THING HURRY BUY NOW, and a bunch of it doesn't fit back into the original gaming loop.

"Us vs. them" is still the core loop of the game however it's unfinished fluff I believe is making you feel like this for example

3 hours ago, -Kittens- said:

TEH KIDS ARE PLAY OPAN WURLD MAKE OPEN WORD GAEM GET REECH MONEYS *1 year later chirping crickets*

The Plains are basically a giant peak into the past of the Old War: the Eidolon sentients remains, the Unum however these portions of POE haven't been fleshed out to integrate with the core developing story of the game. The Ostrons are the only colony in the entire game that we interact with, if we had some Ostrons doing what they do on the Plains like mining, fishing and chilling then occasionally getting interrupted and harassed or even captured by Grineer then we come to their aid, that in my view would create gameplay out of what it has been said we do which is helping out the colonies. "THE LATEST THING HURRY BUY NOW" has hurt every new piece of content that has been released because it will come out then invariably be left, brimming with potential, for the next new thing. Imo if it takes you half a year or more to create the next new thing you'd be better off looking at older things that can be meaningfully addressed quickly and integrated with the current crop of content you have like refining Invasions, fleshing out POE and Orb Vallis, making places like the Void and Kuva Fortress imposing and intimidating places to go.

The stuff is there and it can still be great but it's always left unfinished and ultimately disappointing.

3 hours ago, -Kittens- said:

TEH KIDS ARE PLAY MEME GAEM PUT MEME MAN IN WARFARMS GET REECH MONEYS aka Grendel, Garuda, Revenant

The same argument can be made for how did Rhino fit as a space ninja way back in 2013. The new frames, particularly the stories they come with, show us that there's more to the system than just our petty squabbles with Corpus and Grineer which I think is one thing DE has done right so far

[-Kittens-]

8 hours ago, (PS4)RazorPhoenix970 said:

The same argument can be made for how did Rhino fit as a space ninja way back in 2013. The new frames, particularly the stories they come with, show us that there's more to the system than just our petty squabbles with Corpus and Grineer which I think is one thing DE has done right so far

Rhino is literally Ninja Scroll Iron Ninja, and has been a staple of shounen since the late 70s.