Garuda's 1 ability partially broken

[Kazriyal]

As the title says previously said (changed with edit on 25/01/2021), enemy weapons with punchthrough capability bypass melee blocking and defensive abilities like Garuda's Dread Mirror and Zephyr's Turbulence.

For when melee blocking the combo counter goes up and the block animation plays, as if the shot was blocked but damage is still taken, and arcanes that would trigger on being damaged still trigger.

Garuda's mirror also absorbs the damage value into the dread heart, but I still take damage and arcanes still trigger. Zephyr's turbulence does not deflect the projectile aside until after it has used up its punchthrough distance (tested on the enemies that shoot golden projectiles in corpus ship tileset, with 6m radius it punched through, with 12m it traveled partway through then deflected while other projectiles were deflected further out).

 

This wouldn't be a problem if enemies with punchthrough were few and far between, but they are becoming a lot more common (plenty of exo grineer have punchthrough on their weapons, and in any high-level corpus ship tileset there are always a few enemies with punchthrough shooting you, to the point that in sorties/steel path relying on the block will get you killed in seconds) and seems to be a growing trend. It is especially concerning with Garuda's mirror, since the whole point of having the shield is to protect her (it was even stretched lower a few hotfixes ago so it would block shots aimed at Garuda's feet, which weighs against the shield being a side benefit of a charging mechanism for the explosive heart).

 

Please fix this, thank you.

[Kazriyal]

Bumping so it doesn't get lost, this is important.

Particularly with the glaive rework. Adding the ability to meleeblock while dual-wielding won't mean peanuts when enemies everywhere punch right through that block.

[Kazriyal]

Ba-Dump

[Kazriyal]

Bump

[Kazriyal]

Ding

[Kazriyal]

Going to keep bumping until this gets acknowledged/fixed.

[Kazriyal]

Rebumping because of zero acknowledgement/fix after 2 months, this is clearly not being seen.

[FSK41]

Hopefully its intended 

[---Swaggi---]

Melee Block must have been like:

[Kazriyal]

Yet another hotfix, still no fix for this bug.

Garuda's 1, it does not work does not block damage.

[rainy]

After some testing, I can confirm this issue. Any punch-through attacks completely ignore the mirror and proceed to deal damage.

Some enemies include:

• Terra Manker (Fluctus)
• Terra Jailer (fake Convectrix, actually explosive projectile)
• Terra Sniper Crewman (Opticor)

Explosions such as the Bombard are properly blocked.

Turbulence properly deflects the above attacks, unless the Jailer's thing explodes from the floor.

Melee blocks fail to block the above enemies most of the time. Sometimes the initial damage is blocked but status procs are inflicted anyways, dealing damage.

On 2021-01-13 at 1:27 AM, Kazriyal said:

Rebumping because of zero acknowledgement/fix after 2 months, this is clearly not being seen.

Unfortunately standard for anything related to Garuda, issues tragically tend to have a 6-month delay before being noticed. However, the title is wrong. Garuda's 1 ability is not broken, everything else about it functions as intended, it just doesn't block punch-through attacks, and you should re-title to "Dread Mirror doesn't block Punch-through attacks". 

[(XBOX)TheWayOfWisdom]

On 2021-01-25 at 2:35 PM, VhwatGoes said:

• Terra Jailer (fake Convectrix, actually explosive projectile)
• Terra Sniper Crewman (Opticor)

Both are explosions. Neither have punch through.

On 2021-01-25 at 2:35 PM, VhwatGoes said:

Explosions such as the Bombard are properly blocked.

Bombards seem to be the exception, not the norm. Every other explosion I tested bypassed the shield.

On 2021-01-25 at 2:35 PM, VhwatGoes said:

Garuda's 1 ability is not broken, everything else about it functions as intended, it just doesn't block punch-through attacks, and you should re-title to "Dread Mirror doesn't block Punch-through attacks". 

Is it functioning as intended though. If we compare it to Electric Shield (the closest ability in terms of blocking damage), it is not working as intended. Electric Shield blocks all explosives, while Dead Mirror doesn't. Both are bypassed by enemies with actual punch through (Terra Manker, Machinists, and one of Aerolyst's attacks).

[rainy]

On 2021-01-27 at 2:22 PM, (XBOX)TheWayOfWisdom said:

Is it functioning as intended though. If we compare it to Electric Shield (the closest ability in terms of blocking damage), it is not working as intended. Electric Shield blocks all explosives, while Dead Mirror doesn't. Both are bypassed by enemies with actual punch through (Terra Manker, Machinists, and one of Aerolyst's attacks).

Well, this is a good point. The only thing would be if people were certain Dread Mirror blocked punch-through originally, but otherwise we can go with the precedent of Electric Shield and say this also makes sense. 

I suppose... intended until DE says otherwise ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ (but it would help out Garuda a lot if it did block!)

[Kazriyal]

Recently did a steel path mission on corpus ship tileset with Garuda. The enemy with punchthrough weapon is the Juno Elite Crewman, the #1 most common enemy type on that tileset above level 30.

So it is not a few rare enemy types like bombard or opticor-using crewman, where it would maybe be understandable since they can be avoided/prioritized. But it is the most common enemy type on the tileset.

Garuda is unplayable on this tileset, of which there are 25 missions. The most common corpus tileset (25 ship, 17 outpost, 12 gas city 12 ice planet). This is a bug with the ability, and should be fixed.