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AladV

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ComCray

ComCray

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Great achievement is usually born of great sacrifice, and is never the result of selfishness.

I kindof can't agree...

I'm thinking Pyramids, great achievement, lots of sacrifice but essentially a vanity project..

I'm thinking Virgin empire. Great achievement, not so sure about sacrifice. Owned by an egomaniac

I could make a really long list here...

The sentiment is a great one, yet not really rooted in reality...

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Soulmacia

Soulmacia

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Give us all the Tenno Pods and we will stop helping the Grineer and let you take your system back.

Thats the only option.

 

                                                    -Grand Admiral Mak Gohae of the Grineer Tenno Forces.

 

I second that statement!

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LukeAura

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You know... the grineer never said that they would release the tenno warframes to us. The would more likely just destroy them since the only reason why they live is to hate the tenno. Also there is no reason why you must complete missions for only 1 faction you only need to do more missions for 1 faction then the other.

Let me phrase your options like this. 

Side with Alad V, no chance of saving our fellow Tenno from being vivisected and experimented on fresh out of sleep. 

Side with Ruk, A chance our fellow Tenno will be quickly slaughtered before they even have a chance to understand what's going on, and a chance to save them. 

And they live to not die or decay, and to not be slaves. Tenno just happen to pose a threat to the not die part. 

Also, what cereal box did Mak get such a fancy title from? Certainly wasn't Captain Vor Os, Grand Admiral way out ranks captain.

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Every faction is a warmongering, unsympathetic machine. Because of how bad the writing is at DE, they had to flat out tell us the Tenno were the good guys. Like thousands of other people, after hearing "You have amnesia, but you should totally trust me" I was wary of the Lotus' intentions. The writing for this game is akin to  a Saturday morning cartoon and that is just sad to see. The Tenno are murderous thugs, they garner no sympathy. But NOW~! We gotta stop the Grinner from spreading...into what? The only 3 factions that consist of humanoids are the only 3 that matter. There are no civilians that we know of, we are not trying to bring balance or peace. Lotus uses us like mercenaries for hire, we end up helping both sides all the time.

 

So this entire lazily done event has presented two options.

 

1. Help the Corpus and fail to uphold the only purpose given to the Tenno by DE, which is to save Tenno.

2. Help the Grineer and get our fellow Tenno back. Then use the awakened Tenno to fight back the Grineer.

 

A Tenno is worth 20,000 Grineer or Corpus, maybe more. If every single mission is extermination or whatever the Corpus missions are (I wouldn't know since I am not a traitor), this event is a bust. There is nothing to these missions. I don't know what I was expecting, but it was more than single mission runs. Have large flowing fights, Have you fight along side a Champion like Vor/Kril or a pack of Hyenas/Jackle. Have some interactions with Vor to show the uneasiness between us, that he vehemently hates us for foiling the Sling-Stone operation. Maybe have some Fomorian ship missions to get the Infested involved in some capacity. There is no reason this event could not have been a combination and expansion of concepts and ideas previously explored. I was hoping for more free-form choice driven levels, having multiple objectives; to interact with the enemy. You know, have it go all out. This event is reward heavy, but light on content. You know, the stuff that matters. It introduces no new concepts for game modes/the way we play, just more needless grind.

 

I will say it again. If you create compelling and fun gameplay, you don't need 1000 weapons or 300 Warframes. The ideas here were nice, the delivery of information was botched and the logic is just stupid. This coupled with the fact it is the same game being played, just with window dressing. This event does not create or give off the feeling of being "epic" (hate that word). It is just a means to show off new content(4 weapons) and does nothing to promote creating player-driven choices that resonate in the gameplay. It is still running up and down the same interchangeable hallways killing the same enemies. This event shows off how stupid the A.I. is. Instead of moving as a unit with them, they all just cluster F*** around. I was picturing boarding parties, squads of structured/diverse units, you know make it seem like it wasn't just the A.I. being dragged along by a sting. I was expecting to maybe encounter Vor in the field. If you are working with the Grineer, he pelts you with scathing remarks, but asks your team to take out a generator and gives you some men and a bomb to do so. Then you return to him for a final push. Break up these more structured missions with the samey rushed oriented crap and you got yourself a truly grand event in scope. The allied Corpus/Grineer are not even helpful. It is a novelty at best. They get in the way and the number of enemies present do not warrant the number of Tenno or allied faction present. So you have a "huge battle" happening within the same confined areas all other missions take place in, yet you jam more people in there (a majority of which you cannot shoot); the number of enemies does not require so many allied soldiers like I stated. If you were to spawn with a boarding party or a Champion unit and a party, then proceed to work through the level with a clear objective in mind; that would be way more compelling and something actually different(granted not much different, but still). You would have less clutter and a more directed flow to the mission.This event wreaks of laziness or lack direction/imagination, maybe both.

 

To break this down into being about telling your story for the sake of telling your story, that is not the way to approach this. You are only looking to create means to an end in which you tell the story of the Berserker; which will become stale if it is presented in a similar way the current lore is. To run through a level and hear the same dialogue over and over and over again sucks, it lessens the impact of what is said. If we have to grind for Berserker prints and a story is attached to the levels in the form of "words words words words words" of the same 5 or so lines of dialouge, you have screwed something up.

 

If you are only focused on telling one story, focusing on what is best for your story; you are doing it wrong. You need to tell your story in the best way possible for the good of the product as a whole. If that means compromising your story to let the players make a choice, so be it. If you are going to game the system to try and force a Corpus victory to tell the story of the Beserker, again that is dumb. This sudden interest in lore is just that. Instead of taking the time to think this out and present it a compelling way, you rushed it out the door. You had to change the stipulations at the last second to make the event even make any kind of sense, which it still doesn't.

 

This has become an extension of the grind with window dressing and not the awesome event it was made out to be.

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Really? You went through all that effort to cry in that irrelevant wall of text?

 

Id wager that youd be lucky if 4 people read that nonsense, Heres a solution, QUIT, UNINSTALL, SAVE US FROM YOUR CRYING. thanks have a nice day.

 

As far as the event, i like the twist of picking a faction. but i could never fight for corpus.

 

 

edit: i replied in YOUR quote space because you're also too stupid to quote correctly. Good job.

Just because you're too stupid to get through a page of writing, doesn't mean everyone else is too. I agree on almost all of his points. I'm sick of the same condensed little grind-fests that bring nothing new to the table except new weapons and frames. A new weapon or frame is fun for about 5 minutes, and then it's back to the same old crap. 

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Tenno, I see it is difficult to persuade you. You are smart, I know this, help me take back Quirinus from the oppressive Grineer, for there is no telling what horrors they’ve done to the innocent!

 

You speak of the innocent, and the horrors inflicted upon them, but are you not doing the same to our brothers and sisters?  You hold them, announce you plan to experiment with them, and then you call upon us to aid you?  The balance must be maintained.  You *WILL* release our brothers and sisters, now.  Otherwise we will continue to prosecute this war upon you, and rescue them through force of arms.  We Tenno fight for the balance, not out of loyalty for one side of your petty conflict or the other.  Yet you intend to indocturnate our brothers and sisters to fight for the Corpus, to become loyal to a single side, a single cause.  This cannot be allowed, and would throw the balance of the system so far askew that there would be no way to recover.  I have seen others of my brothers tell you that they fight for you already, to maintain this same balance.  I lament that they do not understand that in sacrificing our sleeping kin to your experiments would upset the balance further, but they and theirs have made their choice.  I make mine.  Release my kin.

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Tenno, I see it is difficult to persuade you. You are smart, I know this, help me take back Quirinus from the oppressive Grineer, for there is no telling what horrors they’ve done to the innocent!

You lost the minute you wanted to research our kin. Maybe if you were to release them I would join you.

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Alad you claim innocence and yet plan to experiment on hostages while trying to bribe said hostages' fellows.

 

Ruk pretends that all that are not grineer are to be disposed of or used like livestock while simultaneously trying to whip the Tenno into a genocidal frenzy to serve their ends (which judging by your burning fleets is proving a far better tactic).

 

If you wish to win this conflict Alad ask yourself this: why do we "help" either of you at all?

 

We are Tenno and we do not fear a cunning dagger nor a mighty sword.

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The Good of the many for the lives of the few. I have been in full support of your side Alad V, But am in no way pleased. The rules of war decided for me to help you crush the grineer. When facing two forces, one of larger stronger size and one of weaker, you assist the smaller. THus defeting a single enemy that could prove dangerous. Once that enemy is quelled, you turn your sights upon the smaller. AladV, take this as a warning. If you win, we want our bretheren returned to us unharmed. If not, your demis will be swift. THe Iron hand of the lotus and the tenno will find you no matter where you shall try to hide.

Warlord Neko
Clan MyLittleTenno
 

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Tenno, I see it is difficult to persuade you. You are smart, I know this, help me take back Quirinus from the oppressive Grineer, for there is no telling what horrors they’ve done to the innocent!

I'll put this bluntly.

 

I can not speak for the past nor will I try to argue the things that have happened then or why as many of us do not remember.

 

You call us betrayers and I can only shrug at that title. As it stands all I have in this new world is my warframe and my brothers/sisters. What was done in the past may just very well be worthy of that shaming title but I'm going to make something abundantly clear:

 

I do not trust you. I do not I know you. I do however trust my fellow Tenno even if I may disagree with them. I Do not trust Ruk or the Grinneer but Tenno I can count on and frankly 1 Tenno is worth 1000x elite units of the Corpus or Grinneer.

 

I will stand for my sleeping brothers and sisters as they stood for me while I slept. If you agree to surrender the cryo pods intact I shall fight beside you otherwise I can only do whats best for those I trust implicitly.

 

You have the answer of myself, my clan and our honor.

 

I am Avrose of Lost Frames, pilot of Nekros.

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Tenno, I see it is difficult to persuade you. You are smart, I know this, help me take back Quirinus from the oppressive Grineer, for there is no telling what horrors they’ve done to the innocent!

Real Tenno don't leave their own behind, Alad. Although if you would like to come to the negotiating table, I assure you I won't bring any guns... *flexes burning gauntlets*

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