Why Is The Embolist Mastery Rank 8?

[fortris]

It's not necessarily a terrible weapon, but when compared to the closest thing (Ignis, which is mastery rank 4) it does slightly better damage (poison as opposed to fire) but has less than half the ammo due to being a secondary and maybe a fifth of the range, yet requires double the mastery rank. Is there a reason for it to be above weapons like the acrid, a weapon a mastery rank lower that does vastly superior damage, much more ammo economic etc? Or are mastery ranks just arbitrary numbers at this point? I mean the embolist wouldn't even be that bad if the range was simply buffed to be usable against anything besides the infested (which is also kinda ironic seeing as it's an infested weapon)

 

EDIT: Let me remind you all they changed the soma twice now, increasing it's mastery rank from 0 to 4, and now from 4 to 6 clearly showing mastery rank is supposed to correlate to weapon power (which was also said in a livestream)

Edited November 6, 2013 by fortris

[Zachles]

I think they just stick weapons wherever they feel appropriate for the time being. Placeholders, if you will.

[NanoDecerto]

I agree the embolist mastery rank requirement needs to be lowered. However, I think other weapons need to be raised. I was pumped when I got mastery rank 12 and now there are almost enough weapons for rank 13 but... what's the point?

[MurasameFsey]

there is no mathematic relation to a weapons power and its required mastery rank if that is what you are asking.

 

DE just puts the mastery rank they feal fits the weapon the most according to themselves when they take a look at the weapon's power and building requirements

[Archistopheles]

Because it's new and unique.

 

 

Also: It has a tail.

[Mak_Gohae]

 Warframe is a loot game but it doesnt have the space in-world to throw items in some high level area that takes some effort to acquire so their method is the mastery system. It's a new weapon but they dont just want to hand it out so they put it up there so i takes some time to be able to use it.

[YouHaveShamedYoFamory]

I think they just stick weapons wherever they feel appropriate for the time being. Placeholders, if you will.

[Davoodoo]

Highly specialised gear requires higher rank

Braton rank 1 gorgon rank 4 supra rank 7 soma doesnt fill here cause there was outrage to put it higher and its t2 as opposed to latter t1

ignis is rank 4 but embolist trades much higher damage for shorter range and thats why its rank 8.

[Naqel]

Embolist is a unique weapon dealing a rare damage type in a way before unseen in a sidearm.

Hence you are expected to have mastered a variety of other weapons before you are ready to begin using it.

Of course because of the powercreep within the game, you also expect that high mastery requirement to not only be rewarded with a unique weapon, but also one stronger than whatever you had before.

Hence why the requirement feels unjustified.

Edited November 6, 2013 by Naqel

[fortris]

Embolist is a unique weapon dealing a rare damage type in a way before unseen in a sidearm.

Hence you are expected to have mastered a variety of other weapons before you are ready to begin using it.

Of course because of the powercreep within the game, you also expect that high mastery requirement to not only be rewarded with a unique weapon, but also one stronger than whatever you had before.

Hence why the requirement feels unjustified.

The only problem is it doesn't do anything that lower rank weapons don't already do. Ignis has the AOE element (and VASTLY superior at it) and acrid has the poison armor ignore damage. It doesn't combine them in any useful way, it just feels like a toy.

[MurasameFsey]

The only problem is it doesn't do anything that lower rank weapons don't already do. Ignis has the AOE element (and VASTLY superior at it) and acrid has the poison armor ignore damage. It doesn't combine them in any useful way, it just feels like a toy.

torid would be a better exemple then no?

[fortris]

torid would be a better exemple then no?

Torid is rank 7, not 8. Also operates like a grenade launcher not a flamethrower.

[MurasameFsey]

Torid is rank 7, not 8. Also operates like a grenade launcher not a flamethrower.

true but still has AoE + poison lol and last i checked torid was rank 4 not 7

[Sawce]

I agree Embolist needs a buff but not reduced rank, just increase its critical chance to 30% with Ignis range and we have a worthy Rank 8 weapon.  

[Anarties]

Simple.

 

It's symmetrical.

 

 

Edited November 6, 2013 by Anarties

[Naqel]

The only problem is it doesn't do anything that lower rank weapons don't already do. Ignis has the AOE element (and VASTLY superior at it) and acrid has the poison armor ignore damage. It doesn't combine them in any useful way, it just feels like a toy.

 

This is exactly the result of power creep I'm talking about.

 

A weapon that is otherwise balanced(it deals with enemies of roughly equal level perfectly fine, much like a Lato or Lex) you and others disregard as trash because there are already some overpowered weapons in the game that outshine it.

 

And perpetuating that state of horrible balance, you ask for buffs seeing only that your new toy isn't shiny enough, instead of paying mind to how your sandbox is slowly filling with turds because their shine wears off whenever a new release comes around.

[luanle21]

the weapon is powerful but do need

-buff range/aoe by a few meters (2 or 3 meter be fine we dont need another 20meter+ ignis type)

-increase 25 or 50 dmg on its base

[ObviousLee]

 

Simple.

 

It's symmetrical.

 

 

 

my ten year old brother watches that show too.

[Psychus]

BECAUSE REASONS

[Anarties]

my ten year old brother watches that show too.

Wonder why...

 

It's out of his age range.

[__Kanade__]

I thought about crafting the Embolist, but I already saved up 30K Salvage and have another Forma crafting so I'm just waiting for it to finish then I'm crafting the Synaspe.

 

My favorite sidearm at this point is the Ballistica, but if I'm doing T3 def, or level 50+ Surivival missions, then and only then will I pull out the Acrid for obvious reasons.

[ObviousLee]

Wonder why...

 

It's out of his age range.

idk man, because he likes it? not my particular cup of tea when it comes to Anime, but it's not bad i suppose.

[__Kanade__]

my ten year old brother watches that show too.

Attack On Titan is a very family friendly oriented anime.

[Karzak]

Its an completetly useless weapon but damn its fun to use. I laugh every time I use it.

Run around with my rhino close to enemies and scream watch out for my pepperspray! And then they slowly die

Never laughed so much while using a weapon in warframe.

 

Its comedy gold and it looks like a dildo for hentai

EAT MY SPORES GRINEER!

Edited November 11, 2013 by Karzak

[HumboldtZ]

Embo is incredibly strong. It is one of the best weapons in the game imo, but it depends on your play style. It is probably the best secondary to pair with vortex at high lvls (I use Torrid + Embo)

 

Most importantly its unique and fun