Whoever programmed the login "coupon analysis module" should get a "Genius" T-shirt..,

[Zakkhar]

1 hour ago, rapt0rman said:

ou have an -increased- chance to get -a- coupon when you havent logged in for a while.

Again, Do you have anything supporting that statement other than your personal feeling.

[rapt0rman]

35 minutes ago, Zakkhar said:

Again, Do you have anything supporting that statement other than your personal feeling.

*shrug* ten years of anecdotal evidence as I never think to take a screenshot all of the times I've consistently gotten coupons after returning from 3+ week breaks. Corroborated by pretty much anybody who takes frequent breaks

Incidentally just now I logged on after a 3+ week break out of spite just to test the theory:

Spoiler

Won't be so bold as to claim that's proof, but it's just way, way, wayyyy to consistent.

Edited January 31 by rapt0rman

[Zakkhar]

59 minutes ago, rapt0rman said:

Corroborated by pretty much anybody who takes frequent breaks

Also not corroborated by anybody who takes frequent breaks.

[Quimoth]

9 hours ago, Zakkhar said:

Also not corroborated by anybody who takes frequent breaks.

You can hop off this discussion anytime.

There is no point when you take the stance of knowing it all whilst making just as much fallacies as those you people who do think there is a system.

• No proof does not equal disproven
• A chance based system is still a system, so yes there is a system.
• If you are free to play, why even bother to discuss it? It does not affect you anyway.

You keep telling us that we jump to conclusions, but be honest to yourself, you do too. I spent 80% of my platinum on cosmetics, the other 20% went into:

1. slots so I do not have to ever sell hard-earned gear again
2. forma bundels, because crafting 1 forma each day is just tedious when you just really want to forma 3+ times (kuva and tenet weapons im looking at you!)
3. trading with other players, i've tried to always exchange syndicate gear i can't (easily) get for something the other player can't get. However some players just want plat and I am okay with that.

[Zakkhar]

10 hours ago, Quimoth said:

No proof does not equal disproven

Nobody claimed that. From mathemathical/logical point of view to disprove a truthfulness of a rule it is ennough to find one example when the rule does not apply. And there is not ONE example. There are numerous. People really care about that and there was extensive testing made by multiple people and they found out that it just doesnt work.

Of course there are also people who claim for them this works 100% of time (and the time it doesnt are not mentioned and quickly forgotten).

10 hours ago, Quimoth said:

A chance based system is still a system, so yes there is a system.

With that definition anything is a system. What is the chance of plat coupon then?

There is just no proven simple corelation of the chance with anything. If there is any it is so complicated or the weights are so small that it is undistinguishable with lack of it.

10 hours ago, Quimoth said:

You keep telling us that we jump to conclusions, but be honest to yourself, you do too. I spent 80% of my platinum on cosmetics, the other 20% went into:

1. slots so I do not have to ever sell hard-earned gear again
2. forma bundels, because crafting 1 forma each day is just tedious when you just really want to forma 3+ times (kuva and tenet weapons im looking at you!)
3. trading with other players, i've tried to always exchange syndicate gear i can't (easily) get for something the other player can't get. However some players just want plat and I am okay with that.

Which part of that exactly points where I jump to conclusions? How does it matter where YOU spent plat? What it has to do with the topic? 

[Quimoth]

1 hour ago, Zakkhar said:

Nobody claimed that. From mathemathical/logical point of view to disprove a truthfulness of a rule it is ennough to find one example when the rule does not apply. And there is not ONE example. There are numerous. People really care about that and there was extensive testing made by multiple people and they found out that it just doesnt work.

Of course there are also people who claim for them this works 100% of time (and the time it doesnt are not mentioned and quickly forgotten).

With that definition anything is a system. What is the chance of plat coupon then?

There is just no proven simple corelation of the chance with anything. If there is any it is so complicated or the weights are so small that it is undistinguishable with lack of it.

Which part of that exactly points where I jump to conclusions? How does it matter where YOU spent plat? What it has to do with the topic? 

(most) cosmetics don't skip gameplay. You jumping to conclusions that i skip parts of the game when almost all my plat is spent on stuff you simply do not obtain through other means.

Your "proof" that it does not work like that is nowhere to be seen, it is just as anecdotal as any other suggested way it might work. To actually disprove a system you need to provide just as much evidence as to proof it, you haven't done that so you haven't disproved it. One can proof that random numbers do not exist in software however, so to some extent your claim that there is no system is by definition false. Just because I can't proof it doesn't mean you don't have to proof the opposite... that is NOT how math works either.

 

[Zakkhar]

8 hours ago, Quimoth said:

(most) cosmetics don't skip gameplay. You jumping to conclusions that i skip parts of the game when almost all my plat is spent on stuff you simply do not obtain through other means.

Feel free to quote the part in this thread where is said anything like this. You are trippin. Get sober or see a specialist. We cannot discuss if you hallucinate things.

8 hours ago, Quimoth said:

Your "proof" that it does not work like that is nowhere to be seen, it is just as anecdotal as any other suggested way it might work. To actually disprove a system you need to provide just as much evidence as to proof it, you haven't done that so you haven't disproved it. One can proof that random numbers do not exist in software however, so to some extent your claim that there is no system is by definition false. Just because I can't proof it doesn't mean you don't have to proof the opposite... that is NOT how math works either.

And I am providing as much evidence as you. But surely you have google and can search on these forums for other people who provided more.

[Quimoth]

On 2024-01-26 at 5:05 PM, Zakkhar said:

Buying stuff with plat is not skip the grind, it is skip the gameplay.

Am I hallucinating?

If neither of us have proof then neither of us have to be right or wrong. You did however claim in earlier post that no system existed at all.

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There have been multitude of theorised systems/corelations and literally all of them were disprooved. In order to disproove a system you just need 1 case where system does not work. 

Now honestly, I'll be the first to admit that neither case is yet fully proven. Anything we have is anecdotal, and if it is based on a chance increasing by certain factors as not having played for a while it still leaves room for cases where the chance was increased but the dice still failed to fall on 6.

Disproving something still requires proof, there are plenty examples where mathematicians think something is true/false but nobody has yet been able to proof either case. I have indeed found just about 0 proof of both cases, so whichever is right remains yet to be proven.