The most fun I've ever had was corpus gas city with no mods (And why that's not supported)

[AtraUnam]

It was a totally different way to play the game, It felt almost like a tactical shooter but with cool characters rather than being generic military shooter number 57. Cover actually mattered, the gas city traps were something we actualy had to pay attention too to avoid or disable, and enemy variety suddenly shot up as special and heavy units became distinct threats to be dealt with, The best moment was when a corpus gunship (That I'm sure I've seen a thousand times but never consciously registered) came along and started raining down hell on us while we were already dealing with an eximus unit. It was an actual threat and felt like a very cinematic moment compared to the usual half-asleep gameplay. All in all it was the most fun I've ever had playing frame.

Now I know people are just going to tell me that if I want to play unmodded then nothing is stopping me but that's not entierly true, as power creep has set in some gamemodes are outright designed to require nuking (survivals life-support) and the slow death of CC has made slower playstyles significantly less viable in others (Any kind of defense).

I'm not sure there's any 'solution' to this or if its something that should even be 'solved' but I find it a shame that underneath the boom 'n zoom is an almost entierly different game, one I'm sure many of us would love to play (and some true vets probably did play) but that's so inaccessable in modern warframe.

[Zakkhar]

Dont give them ideas. Soon we will get random items + modless mission types.

 

[Chewarette]

As you said, there is no solution to that. The fast-paced-zoom-zoom gameplay is what makes Warframe successful, it'd be extremely risky to dial the challenge up to the point you have to plan your mission thoroughly. That would feel like an entirely different game.

[Venus-Venera]

vor einer Stunde schrieb AtraUnam:

It was a totally different way to play the game, It felt almost like a tactical shooter but with cool characters rather than being generic military shooter number 57. Cover actually mattered, the gas city traps were something we actualy had to pay attention too to avoid or disable, and enemy variety suddenly shot up as special and heavy units became distinct threats to be dealt with, The best moment was when a corpus gunship (That I'm sure I've seen a thousand times but never consciously registered) came along and started raining down hell on us while we were already dealing with an eximus unit. It was an actual threat and felt like a very cinematic moment compared to the usual half-asleep gameplay. All in all it was the most fun I've ever had playing frame.

Now I know people are just going to tell me that if I want to play unmodded then nothing is stopping me but that's not entierly true, as power creep has set in some gamemodes are outright designed to require nuking (survivals life-support) and the slow death of CC has made slower playstyles significantly less viable in others (Any kind of defense).

I'm not sure there's any 'solution' to this or if its something that should even be 'solved' but I find it a shame that underneath the boom 'n zoom is an almost entierly different game, one I'm sure many of us would love to play (and some true vets probably did play) but that's so inaccessable in modern warframe.

There was a topic recently about missing "challenges". That's exactly what can create enough content. So if you're creative, a lot is possible. But too many people have less IQ then a wall. Even any monkey with a chip from Elon Musk is a much better discussion partner.

And all artificial resets are based on that principle. So in miserable games like Diablo3, Path of Exile. So you know the content and know the tricks, but the gear is bad.

In Duviri EXP, the devs tried that too, but it's too boring and wastes time!

And actually, PVP mode gives you an emotional "kick" because I have to bring a lot more skill to the table than in SP mode without mods. But it wasn't implemented good here and the competition has much better solutions.

Edited August 12 by Venus-Venera

[Rexis12]

I'm glad that the slow methodical gameplay is fun to you, and normally I'd say to each their own but I have to remind people

Ivara Chassis Blueprint

Tier 2 Spy / C

5.64%

~ 17 C Rotations

118 ± 39 C Rotations

This is the drop rate for Ivara's Blueprints which can be found on Jupiter.

Any enjoyment in the 'slow methodical' gameplay falls apart once you have to go through it to get the playable content behind it.

 

[hellodownthere]

Well you're required to get Grendel through modless missions via his locators and it was quite hard when I did it solo especially so when two of the required missions are defense and excavation which were fun and challenging but I honestly wouldn't want to do it regularly. I liked how niche it was and if implemented further would like it to be added like how getting Grendel is.

Edited August 12 by hellodownthere

[Venus-Venera]

vor 6 Minuten schrieb hellodownthere:

Well you're required to get Grendel through modless missions via his locators and it was quite hard when I did it solo especially so when two of the required missions are defense and excavation which were fun and challenging but I honestly wouldn't want to do it regularly. I liked how niche it was and if implemented further would like it to be added like how getting Grendel is.

I enjoyed being in the group. The people put a lot of effort into it. The problem would probably be finding a group, because that can take a long time these days.

[hellodownthere]

19 hours ago, Venus-Venera said:

I enjoyed being in the group. The people put a lot of effort into it. The problem would probably be finding a group, because that can take a long time these days.

If I recall correctly I solo'd all of them, survival is easy as you just invis and look for crates until you can leave, excavation i think i used Frost and for Defense I remember using Nyx (which made it harder than it needed to be but was still fun). Doing it a group would be nice but yeah, the issue is simply finding people who'd want to do that kinda like farming Nidus in his game mode... I think it's infested salvage? 

[Venus-Venera]

vor 3 Stunden schrieb hellodownthere:

If I recall correctly I solo'd all of them, survival is easy as you just invis and look for crates until you can leave, excavation i think i used Frost and for Defense I remember using Nyx (which made it harder than it needed to be but was still fun). Doing it a group would be nice but yeah, the issue is simply finding people who'd want to do that kinda like farming Nidus in his game mode... I think it's infested salvage? 

I would probably play it with stealth solo too. Because revives can run out quickly. And then with unlimited ammo weapon + good mele. Maybe slam does enough damage there.

And normal warframes are distributed very poorly. Either the content is very difficult solo or it takes far too long. And normal warframes are probably farmed by beginners? Not only Nidus takes too long. But also others like normal Khora. I fall asleep while farming.

[hellodownthere]

2 hours ago, Venus-Venera said:

Not only Nidus takes too long. But also others like normal Khora. I fall asleep while farming.

Yeah, I feel like many newer players will get the prime version before even considering to get the base one purely because of how readily available primes are and how annoying/tedious base frames are.

 

Ivara, Equinox,Nidus, Gara and all of the other frames tied to bounties all are pretty tedious to get, especially so if you only need the frame parts from said bounties.

[Fred_Avant_2019]

Il y a 18 heures, hellodownthere a dit :

Yeah, I feel like many newer players will get the prime version before even considering to get the base one purely because of how readily available primes are and how annoying/tedious base frames are.

 

Ivara, Equinox,Nidus, Gara and all of the other frames tied to bounties all are pretty tedious to get, especially so if you only need the frame parts from said bounties.

Eh, Ivara you can get naturally if you do spy missions on a regular basis, through fissure missions for instance. Nidus at least is in the rotation of base circuit warframes, but base Equinox, yeah, definitely something.

[hellodownthere]

5 hours ago, Fred_Avant_2019 said:

Eh, Ivara you can get naturally if you do spy missions on a regular basis, through fissure missions for instance. Nidus at least is in the rotation of base circuit warframes, but base Equinox, yeah, definitely something.

If you're doing it for Ivara specifically I think it's one of the more annoying frames to farm. Not up there with the Harrow systems but similar to those bounty frames.

 

I think the most tedious frames I've farmed so far would be...

- Equinox, farming 8 parts was not fun

- Gara and pretty much all bounty frames

- Harrow, specifically Defection for his systems 

- Ash from manics, pretty sure before that it was from Tyl Regor on Uranus)

- Limbo which despite being a story frame, Archwing at the time (which would be on release of the quest) was not enjoyable. Not sure how it plays nowdays.

- Khora, farming SO for that long is quite annoying but at least you can get the Vandal Braton/Lato and the relics don't hurt either.

 

I was lucky to get Nidus in like 5 runs so I didn't have the nightmare that some players had while farming Nidus but I do hear that Nidus was one of the worst farmes pre-duviri. All of my opinions are pre-duviri.

Edited August 14 by hellodownthere

[Fred_Avant_2019]

il y a 14 minutes, hellodownthere a dit :

If you're doing it for Ivara specifically I think it's one of the more annoying frames to farm. Not up there with the Harrow systems but similar to those bounty frames.

 

I think the most tedious frames I've farmed so far would be...

- Equinox, farming 8 parts was not fun

- Gara and pretty much all bounty frames

- Harrow, specifically Defection for his systems 

- Ash from manics, pretty sure before that it was from Tyl Regor on Uranus)

- Limbo which despite being a story frame, Archwing at the time (which would be on release of the quest) was not enjoyable. Not sure how it plays nowdays.

- Khora, farming SO for that long is quite annoying but at least you can get the Vandal Braton/Lato and the relics don't hurt either.

 

I was lucky to get Nidus in like 5 runs so I didn't have the nightmare that some players had while farming Nidus but I do hear that Nidus was one of the worst farmes pre-duviri. All of my opinions are pre-duviri.

Yeah but, Gara and bounty related frames, you get while grinding for something valuable : the Standing points. Which you'll require to do all sorts of stuff, Ostrons giving access to Zaws, Fortuna giving access to Kitguns.

Limbo isn't as bad. It's just an interception. If you wait for long enough until you have Amesha to slow down enemies with the 3, then you're set for easy mode.

Ash and Oberon both loot from Railjack nowdays, which I highly question the decision behind, specifically for Oberon, since he was such an easy farm on Eximus units previously (I think it was eximus units, I'm not sure anymore, but he was without question one of the earliest frames you could build, probably was my 5th or 6th frame built when I was just a wee baby tenno). Manics are no longer involved in dropping Ash parts, which is a relief, because waiting for them to spawn was boring, and they didn't always drop something.

Khora parts drop in normal sanctuary onslaught, Braton and Lato vandal parts are exclusive to the elite sanctuary onslaught. While it's a tedious grind, you can also do it with a frame and weapons you need to rank up, so you can mitigate the feel of doing a chore for not much.

Harrow's a tedious grind, not gonna lie, Defection is insanely boring, but at least you can speed it up by using a high strength Volt, though sometimes, the npcs can get absolutely stuck in the tile for no reason. Neuroptics might take a couple Kuva spy missions but I find it's still somewhat bearable.

Farming Nidus was a bit of a nightmare for me, even though I was still somewhat lucky, just by virtue of having the worst mission type in the game.

 

Other frames that will definitely make the list are Citrine and Styanax. If you've farmed them, you already know.

[hellodownthere]

48 minutes ago, Fred_Avant_2019 said:

Yeah but, Gara and bounty related frames, you get while grinding for something valuable : the Standing points. Which you'll require to do all sorts of stuff, Ostrons giving access to Zaws, Fortuna giving access to Kitguns.

Yeah that is true but personally for me I tend to only do the highest level mission for the more rep so I guess it's more of a self made problem for me.

 

I think Styanax is an alright farm, those missions are enjoyable to me and with the crystal fragments being a thing even if you're unlucky there's the alternetive method to obtain the componant blueprints for Citrine but yeah, annoying farm nonetheless.

[CephalonCarnage]

2 hours ago, hellodownthere said:

If you're doing it for Ivara specifically I think it's one of the more annoying frames to farm. Not up there with the Harrow systems but similar to those bounty frames.

 

I think the most tedious frames I've farmed so far would be...

- Equinox, farming 8 parts was not fun

- Gara and pretty much all bounty frames

- Harrow, specifically Defection for his systems 

- Ash from manics, pretty sure before that it was from Tyl Regor on Uranus)

- Limbo which despite being a story frame, Archwing at the time (which would be on release of the quest) was not enjoyable. Not sure how it plays nowdays.

- Khora, farming SO for that long is quite annoying but at least you can get the Vandal Braton/Lato and the relics don't hurt either.

 

I was lucky to get Nidus in like 5 runs so I didn't have the nightmare that some players had while farming Nidus but I do hear that Nidus was one of the worst farmes pre-duviri. All of my opinions are pre-duviri.

The one frame that messed me up farming for was Nova. Sure, I got so good at it I could run all the way to the raptors, shoot them as they emerged from the tubes and run all the way out without stopping. But the RNG hated me then, took 32 runs to get the last part. Didn't help that DE made the part drops 40/40/20% so the last one was harder to get.

The others though, I respect that they are locked behind these little-used game modes. Every player seems to only play the missions that can be completed super-quickly. So when you get a defection they hate it because you have to do the mission. You have to play the game, and that seems to be a hated part of warframe now. Imagine.

The game modes are more fun that others I feel, defection isn't so bad at all when you play it. Infested Salvage was actually a load of fun (I even grabbed Nidus solo). I think the frames that drop from rare enemies are the worst because of the low drop rate on top of a low enemy spawn rate so you're basically playing and playing without a goal, if it drops you are lucky. otherwise just keep playing until they do, you have less influence on the outcome.

[Pakaku]

7 minutes ago, CephalonCarnage said:

So when you get a defection they hate it because you have to do the mission. You have to play the game, and that seems to be a hated part of warframe now.

It’s not hated because it’s different, it’s hated because escort is a terrible gameplay mechanic in almost any game, and is something that Rescue does infinitely better already

[3xt1inct]

On 2024-08-12 at 2:06 PM, Rexis12 said:

I'm glad that the slow methodical gameplay is fun to you, and normally I'd say to each their own but I have to remind people

Ivara Chassis Blueprint

Tier 2 Spy / C

5.64%

~ 17 C Rotations

118 ± 39 C Rotations

This is the drop rate for Ivara's Blueprints which can be found on Jupiter.

Any enjoyment in the 'slow methodical' gameplay falls apart once you have to go through it to get the playable content behind it.

 

well normal circuit will help you with this!

 

As for OP's concern, it is nice to hear you enjoy playing this way. This is the original intended method of playing the game! Glad you like it!