Why Isn't There A Heavy Melee That Is Good For Puncture?

[KoshLovesYou]

it should vary depending on the way you´re attacking the mob, if your going to do slash damage swing horizontally..if your going to puncture the enemy, thrust... thats just for melee weps with an edge..but I think i´m talking about melee 2.0?...hope it´s something like that. Cheers

That's actually a good point. I might hold off till Melee 2.0 drops (next week, ideally) before making a suggestion/feedback thread with more detailed examples. Stances, how one attacks, would be a big factor. Of the top of my head, and in an animation context? It'd make sense as:

Swings/Slashing Motions: Slash Damage Emphasis

Hammering/Slamming Motions: Impact Damage Emphasis

Thrusting/Penetrating Motions: Puncture Damage Emphasis

That'd allow you to have 'mutant' weapons pretty easily; blunt-edged swords that do thrust/penetrating motions with mild slash added, or maces that do more hammering/slamming motions for impact with mild puncture, and have it 'make sense' why a sword/mace would do that type of damage emphasis due to how its handled rather than what type of weapon it is. IE; Why Magistar has an impact rather than puncture emphasis despite being a flanged mace, why the Bo staff does impact rather than puncture, etc.

At the end of the day DE might just want puncture damage to be in the realm of guns, however, in terms of major damage # emphasis.

Edited February 26, 2014 by KoshLovesYou

[Azamagon]

The Scythes could have various amounts of Puncture imo.

Ether Reaper - 50/50 Slash and Puncture with next to none of Impact (how all Ether weapons should be imo)

Hate and Reaper Prime - One of them could have more Slash and medium Puncture, while the other is the opposite.

 

Also:

Magistar - Could be Impact+Puncture, considering Fragor already has high Impact

 

And even though they are not heavy weapons:

Kama / Dual Kama - Should be high in Puncture (and medium in Slash).

 

More thoroughly - https://forums.warframe.com/index.php?/topic/142559-more-impact-puncture-slash-distribution-between-weapons/

 

This issue certainly needs a look at.

[Lad_of_the_Lake]

The "Heaviest" Puncture weapon would have to be the Jaw Sword, even though it's a regular sword.

Of course, you can always put Sundering Strike on Fragor and get a bonus 1 Puncture, enough to one shot Kril

[Neutralred]

Hate should be the puncture heavy. Its stats are pretty disappointing for a Stalker weapon, and puncture would distinguish it. Can't tell me that pick-looking edge wouldn't be able to break through armour.

[34Brewster]

Actually I'd like to see something like a horseman's pick added, a heavy hammer with a curved thorn on its head. Though mostly used by cavalry, the English used it as an infantry weapon. It was specifically designed to puncture heavy armor.

Edited February 27, 2014 by Rule34

[ZzVinniezZ]

better run Grineer, here come the most destructive melee weapon

[DMan]

OH YES!

Give me ze spoon

[Lad_of_the_Lake]

Actually the most logical puncturing weapon could be the Kamas. Think about them just being pickaxes with one side and a straight angle of attack.

[JDP04]

maybe they should make a huge bad &#! morning star weapon that got 70/30 puncture/impact damage. :)

[Azamagon]

maybe they should make a huge bad &#! morning star weapon that got 70/30 puncture/impact damage. :)

You mean the Magistar? >_>

 

I'll repeat myself here:

 

The Scythes could have various amounts of Puncture imo.

Ether Reaper - 50/50 Slash and Puncture with next to none of Impact (how all Ether weapons should be imo)

Hate and Reaper Prime - One of them could have more Slash and medium Puncture, while the other is the opposite.

 

Also:

Magistar - Could be Impact+Puncture, considering Fragor already has high Impact

 

And even though they are not heavy weapons:

Kama / Dual Kama - Should be high in Puncture (and medium in Slash).

 

More thoroughly - https://forums.warframe.com/index.php?/topic/142559-more-impact-puncture-slash-distribution-between-weapons/

 

This issue certainly needs a look at.

[LazyKnight]

You mean the Magistar? >_>

 

I'll repeat myself here:

Some people consider a morning star to be a ball on a chain. I agree that anything with 'points' should have some sort of puncture damage.

[Kill_to_win---]

please don't ask for a impact weapon, we're gonna get some stupid Tenno version of a caveman club...

[Silver_Fox75]

A Trident like weapon could be our pure puncture heavy. Hek it could even be thrown on it's charge attack if DE wanted 

[Brimir]

How about a crowbill, or bec de corbin as it were?

[MirageKnight]

Magistar should be 50 / 50 Impact and SLASH, not Puncture. Weapons with sharp flanges like those are made for cracking armor and bone alike and slicing / cutting exposed flesh, not punching holes in things.

 

Melee weapons with spiked heads and designed to be swung on the other hand would be good at puncture and impact damage: Morning Stars were designed to send opponents flying with dented / crushed and lethally holed armour.

 

Edit: A good example of a pure impact weapon would be a mace or a staff.

 

A Bec de corbin...interesting. The "beak" was largely used to punch through and tear at armour, aided by the counter balancing "hammer" facing opposite the beak. Kind of a long weapon really...reminiscent of the Lucerne Hammer which was a capable puncturing and smashing weapon itself but a bit shorter.

Edited March 1, 2014 by MirageKnight

[Brimir]

Magistar should be 50 / 50 Impact and SLASH, not Puncture. Weapons with sharp flanges like those are made for cracking armor and bone alike and slicing / cutting exposed flesh, not punching holes in things.

 

Actually that's exactly what those kind of weapons were for:

 

Swords are no good against knights in plate armour, unless you get lucky to penetrate a joint in the armour.

 

Weapons like maces/hammers were thus favoured in order to bypass the need of penetrating the armour by simply smashing the platemail to crush/break the bones of the knight inside.

 

Weapons like morningstars went one step further and added sharp spikes to the heavy head of the mace in order to not only break the bones, but also focus all that kinetic energy into one sharp point in order to puncture the platemail as well.

 

Imagine adding a nail to the head of a hammer and smashing it against the side of a metal barrel/drum. Its gonna make one neat little hole.

Edited March 1, 2014 by Brimir

[mrecentric]

+1 one more person looking for a heavy puncture weapon

[AshenSwift]

Quick guys, petition DE to make a Diamond Pickaxe weapon.

[Shackram]

Actually I'd like to see something like a horseman's pick added, a heavy hammer with a curved thorn on its head. Though mostly used by cavalry, the English used it as an infantry weapon. It was specifically designed to puncture heavy armor.

 

I'd like a Polehammer, doing 40/60 Impact/Puncture.

 

[Hueminator]

Big Daddy Drill anyone?

[DalaiLlama]

Might be a good idea for a heavy lance of sorts.

[GraalOhOtonami]

[Kedron]

No need to go fancy, a simple yari will do the trick for puncture primary/slash secondary, could even use pole-arm animations