RazorTip Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 (edited) I agree, my experiences from PvP in this game has been simply watching people with max speced melee weapons running around doing slide-slashes for one-hit K.Os, and since they can unequip their other weapons or simply not mod their other weapons they can go into lower(my) conclave ratings since they obviously cannot fight back to it... If they add PvP for something like solar rails, they'd have to do it in some form of a MOBA-like, in which everyone starts on fair grounds and depending on their performance the other team will out-scale the opposing one. I'm more concerned over the toxicity this game mode might bring to Warframe. MOBAs are infamous in that regard, finest examples being League of Legends and DOTA 2. Granted, all gaming communities have toxic and obnoxious players, but some have it more than others, mainly the competitive ones. ahaha this is gonna be such a glorious trainwreck of garbage game design and garbage p2p hosting. can't wait to see how bad this turns out I hadn't even considered the issues with Peer to Peer hosting, that could make things worse. Edited May 23, 2014 by RazorTip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Endrance Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 As long as, there is no PvP specific Content (not about pvp specific stats), but actual, pvp specific content (get Weapon A or Warframe B only by making PvP) i'm fine with the idea. I dislike PvP, i dislike the idea of warframe having PvP. But as soon as it comes out, i will test it, and i might even enjoy it. Since i like most of what DE creates, invents and innovates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Pengu_Imperialus Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 (edited) I'm more concerned over the toxicity this game mode might bring to Warframe. MOBAs are infamous in that regard, finest examples being League of Legends and DOTA 2. Granted, all gaming communities have toxic and obnoxious players, but some have it more than others, mainly the competitive ones. Numbers will tell. If the play in the PvP areas drop to nothing it will get changed or abandoned in the long run. I don't see it having a big draw or at least a lasting one due to the way the weapons in this game work. I assume you will be limited to play area based on conclave rating? Edited May 23, 2014 by (PS4)geomancer1980 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varonth Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 I hadn't even considered the issues with Peer to Peer hosting, that could make things worse. The good side of this: They must work on this problem, which I and many other brought up so many times, just to get completely ignored by DE. If they want this gamemode in the game, they have to solve the hosting problems and add a dedicated server support. Competive PvP with P2P hosting does not work. I could literally just block packets towards others, and the game wouldn't even know why one or all other clients just disconnected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azawarau Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 It's not about being forced. It's about bunch of people that'll whine about how OP are certain things in PvP. You mean just like PvE? It's going to suck. Everyone is going to have "op weapons for no-skill players" and destroy everything. Conclave dosen't solve anything. The new players will go through blood, sweat and tears. Its end game New players shouldnt even be there in the first place Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angius Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 Its end game New players shouldnt even be there in the first place But there will be. And they are going to whine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Pengu_Imperialus Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 But there will be. And they are going to whine. I didn't get to watch the screen, but there is going to be 2 end game nodes on each planet or what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buzkyl Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 But there will be. And they are going to whine. If you're going to an area made for "endgame" players as a newbie, you've lost your right to whine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Othergrunty Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 What's MOBA? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RazorTip Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 Othergrunty, there are dictionaries and definitions online, you know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azawarau Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 But there will be. And they are going to whine. Thats like starting the game picking your frame and running right into a T 3 survival and then complaining that its too hard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MegaSnail Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 Can someone show me the moba frame? I don't want to watch an hour just to look at a frame... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deidaku Posted May 23, 2014 Author Share Posted May 23, 2014 ABout people complaining about Ogris penta and so on. the maps seem larger than conclaves and it's not 1 v 1 or 2 vs 2 ony; There are other things to shoot. people are gonna be flying everywhere shooting everything. Snipers are gonna be very fun to use , those should be feared, not slow rocket launchers and the penta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SolidSp33d Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 Can someone show me the moba frame? I don't want to watch an hour just to look at a frame... How is skimming through the video hard? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lautalocos Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 if they are going to add PVP, this i feel is the absolute best way to go. everyone starts from zero, and we level up from there. if some weapons are too powerfull/weak, they will be balanced. it´s easier to balance something from a PVP perspective rather than a PVE perspective Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MegaSnail Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 How is skimming through the video hard? How is doing someone a favor hard... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cybernetix Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 I'm actually looking forward to this. For those of you worried about the likes of the penta, I can hardly see DE putting this content out without giving all of our stuff a set of balance changes for PvP only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muminidas Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 This PvP mode may be very good and interesting. Now they have to get rid of Conclaves and do more gametypes such as new Rail conflict MOBA :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HolidayPi3 Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 Personally not worried about penta / ogris. I would stay away from those because they're overkill and difficult to hit coptering Tenno with. I can see shotguns without damage falloff being appealing though (Detron) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aggh Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 (edited) It's obviously going to need some balance passes (which they've slowly been doing with conclaves) but this is a major step in the right direction imo. Balance aside, warframe has had all the pieces needed for building a mobaish tower defense mode for a while now. This PvP mode may be very good and interesting. Now they have to get rid of Conclaves and do more gametypes such as new Rail conflict MOBA :) Eh rather than that I wish they'd expand the game modes in conclaves. The mobility this game has would be amazing for CTF and we already have domination in game :| Edited May 23, 2014 by Aggh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morec0 Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 It looks like it'll be fun, give PvP players a way for them to fully enjoy one of the clan aspects of the game while (from what I saw) PvE players can still run things normally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rakosta_Kai Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 Trinity's all over the world are rubbing their hands in anticipation... "Get me nerfed will ya??... Just you wait..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Pengu_Imperialus Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 Trinity's all over the world are rubbing their hands in anticipation... "Get me nerfed will ya??... Just you wait..." and then trinity got Pop nerfed... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildOnex Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 I think it could work out like Soldier Front 2's Hero mode start with melee only kill things get money then buy your gear back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deidaku Posted May 23, 2014 Author Share Posted May 23, 2014 This more lookds interesting lvl up your gear while playing seem very interesting indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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