TX10000 Posted August 14, 2014 Author Share Posted August 14, 2014 Simple. They fire at the enemies around you. You seem to assume that without launchers, everyone is so weak that they can't do anything with out. You are horribly wrong. Get to wave 50 without any, then we talk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheErebus. Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 Try it at wave 50. I use a channeling based build that took down a level 55 Ancient toxic in less than 3 strikes. It's hard, but it's doable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnProdman Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 Get to wave 50 without any, then we talk. I've gotten to wave 63 before failing using a squad with corrosive projection and personally using an amprex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TX10000 Posted August 14, 2014 Author Share Posted August 14, 2014 Again, you ruined the joke... That's why you got melee weapons. You are too touchy with all the joke stuff, don't know why. So now you switch to the melee weps. Not only it enforces my original point - no motivation for obtaining these weps anymore, but I can easily imagine that one day the devs will wake up again and will nerf even that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shion963 Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 (edited) Well i have been to the link you proposed there are 3 pages of posts, how many ppl were involved in that discussion then? Where are the rest 17k+ ppl (from steam statistics)? I assume most of them are from the large percentage of the playerbase don't frequent the forums at all, and thus didn't know about it. Fact is that the launcher and Grakata's ammo reserve issue plus the sniper rebalance have been mentioned since quite some time. These changes didn't come out of left field. Heck, even back then folks knew that the Ogris having virtually limitless ammo isn't going to stay like that forever. Edited August 14, 2014 by Shion963 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayGooYa Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 Get to wave 50 without any, then we talk. Nobody cares. Game is not balanced around that. People have been telling you that DE has said that the game is not balanced around that. Nerf is pushing game into the boundaries of what the devs are actually aiming for. They really don't care if the collateral of their re-balancing makes it impossible to do 50 waves or more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murderrrr Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 Again, you ruined the joke... That's why you got melee weapons. Whatever godly arrangement you have with your melee, your primary is still your best bet to do the most damage especially is high difficulty enemy levels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StinkyPygmy Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 Oh! I didnt realize you were one of those people who stand on ledges on ODD alone....... That explains why you keep running out of ammo.. Maybe you should pick your targets, jump in for melee and and use your secondary.. But hey, whatever floats your boat! Thats what I've been saying but people forgot that secondaries exist. Unless its a brakk. Use your pistol for a few single targets and save ammo for large groups/tough targets. Its their sole function after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheErebus. Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 You are too touchy with all the joke stuff, don't know why. So now you switch to the melee weps. Not only it enforces my original point - no motivation for obtaining these weps anymore, but I can easily imagine that one day the devs will wake up again and will nerf even that. When you run out of ammo. You go in with melee to get some. is that so hard to understand? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TX10000 Posted August 14, 2014 Author Share Posted August 14, 2014 I use a channeling based build that took down a level 55 Ancient toxic in less than 3 strikes. It's hard, but it's doable. How many more ancients are still in wait to be slayed at that wave?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheErebus. Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 Whatever godly arrangement you have with your melee, your primary is still your best bet to do the most damage especially is high difficulty enemy levels. I believe the hate that I mentioned proves that wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnProdman Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 They really don't care if the collateral of their re-balancing makes it impossible to do 50 waves or more. I think the point is that it's not impossible to do 50 waves or more without launchers. It really, really isn't... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheErebus. Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 How many more ancients are still in wait to be slayed at that wave?? What does that have to do with anything? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StinkyPygmy Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 When you run out of ammo. You go in with melee to get some. is that so hard to understand? Op just falls into the category of players that hate all change and don't like to move from their ledge evidently. Personally I find playing a game where everything is dead because of that dude with an ogris boring to play. but thats just me. Now it wont be an issue so much, in fact I will welcome the tenno wielding an ogris with open arms because he will be more likely to use it when needed, potentially saving our butts or preventing a sticky situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StinkyPygmy Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 How many more ancients are still in wait to be slayed at that wave?? Irrelevent. Aniceints are easy to avoid and slow, we are fast. Also, ever heard of CC abilities? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TX10000 Posted August 14, 2014 Author Share Posted August 14, 2014 I assume most of them are from the large percentage of the playerbase don't frequent the forums at all, and thus didn't know about it. Fact is that the launcher and Grakata's ammo reserve issue plus the sniper rebalance have been mentioned since quite some time. These changes didn't come out of left field. Heck, even back then folks knew that the Ogris having virtually limitless ammo isn't going to be a temporary thing. So it's the classical "the plans have been on the display since 2 months ago", my answer is also very classical "i had to go to the cellar"; If the only thing on my mind and hands would be paying attention to warframe, you'd be right. But because the ppl playing are having other occupations as well, being serious at this point is simply too arrogant. Also how does 3 pages of posts (let's say it would = 20 different ppl [i am very optimistic]) how does this relate to the 17k+ active players? It's not even 1% of those. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayGooYa Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 Well besides all that it's a snobby appeal to authority. Just because Scrubby MacScrubberson can't make it past wave 50 doesn't mean he can't have a valid and informed opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murderrrr Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 I believe the hate that I mentioned proves that wrong. Well since you guys are referring to ODD so much, lets take that on a scenario. During high waves, theres isnt just a few ancients, they are among hundreds of other infested units. A simple 3 hits might sound easy to ONE target, but try that on every one, not to mention that ammo doesn't guarantee to drop and also the fact that they can defend themselves. By the time you even get half of them down, the pod is already gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TX10000 Posted August 14, 2014 Author Share Posted August 14, 2014 What does that have to do with anything? Well your question is exactly what i ask about your previous response. How does slaying of 1 ancient lvl 55 prove that launchers are not needed in when you are crowded with these (ancients) and others? It is irrelevant. Gratz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murderrrr Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 Irrelevent. Aniceints are easy to avoid and slow, we are fast. Also, ever heard of CC abilities? Not when they leech you and poison you. Also, ever heard of energy drainers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREENGAL41 Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 (edited) Are you running low on penta ammo? Can't find anymore one the battle field? THEN USE THE AMMO DRUM!!!! THE BEST IN AMMO DEFENCES!! IT CAN GIVE YOU MORE AMMO, WOW!!! IT CAN.....WELL THAT'S IT CAN DO.......BUT WOW!!!!! SO IF YOU NEED AMMO THEN GO TO YOU'RE NEAREST MISSION AND GET ONE NOW! AMMO DRUM! The best mod ever! Edited August 14, 2014 by GREENMAN41z Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yuikami Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 (edited) Sure, many of us don't enjoy this nerf including me, but that's only because I want an easy way to get kills and too lazy to get off my butt and get off my safe spot to get more ammo or use other guns. I also saw this nerf coming ever since Orgris was released and I did have my fun for that long period of time, time to come up with a new way to get some kill without infinite ammo or find other resource like start running around and picking up those ammo on the floor or ream-ammo restore or better modding to keep the ammo up to the use. Oh hey guess wot? Vauban is not nerved YET :DDDDD Edited August 15, 2014 by theclinton Cleaning up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TX10000 Posted August 14, 2014 Author Share Posted August 14, 2014 Ammo reduction for launchers was something I'd wanted for quite some time. Sorry to say it but I disagree with your protest. Considering how powerful the Penta, Ogris and Angstrum are, letting them have 540 (or in the Angstrum's case hundreds) of spare rounds was just downright silly. I mean, in other games with rocket launchers and grenade launchers, how much spare ammo for these high powered weapons do they let you have? Because it's usually less than 10. Maybe up to 20. We're not speaking about other games. We speak about a futuristic sci-fi game where we simply cannot discuss nor be limited by the sizes of ammo used in similar devices of today. However also in other games the devs won't understand things unless ppl protest and the most effective way is to stop playing the game up until it's fixed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnProdman Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 (edited) We're not speaking about other games. We speak about a futuristic sci-fi game where we simply cannot discuss nor be limited by the sizes of ammo used in similar devices of today. However also in other games the devs won't understand things unless ppl protest and the most effective way is to stop playing the game up until it's fixed. You're perfectly welcome to stop playing the game in protest but the moment you start posting on the forums attempting to make people leave and quit supporting the game is the moment you've crossed the line. I'm pretty sure that is against or should be against the rules. Edited August 14, 2014 by JohnProdman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StinkyPygmy Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 (edited) Not when they leech you and poison you. Also, ever heard of energy drainers? Yep and I'm also in the school of players that have no problem with them. You know, because I do my best to avoid them and succeed most of the time. if I get hit its my fault. My point still stands. OPs only argument is "now I can't get to waves in defence that are past what the game is balanced for". Its not valid in any sense. The solution: stop playing, make sure everyone knows about it and QQ till my eyes bleed. I'm done here. I don't wish to be drawn into the vortex or be around when things start getting hostile. Everyone is repeating each other anyway. Evidently we wont come to an agreement. Edited August 14, 2014 by StinkyPygmy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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