vaugahn Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 well with the new player experience being what it is , and 14 and 15 being soo bug ridden i feel it too . 15 brought people back for hours only then the time walls hit , and people loged off the player flow on the steam charts only went up by 300 the first day of 15 which is the lowest yet at a certain point any game reaches it's market saturation warframe is at that point now methinks Steam charts went from 13,000 online to 34,000 online when U15 dropped. On both steam charts and raptr we've seen a steady increase, on steam charts our online average has risen several thousand over the last few months alone. We're nowhere near decline, as much as naysayers would like to believe we are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dashashou Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 (edited) Steam charts went from 13,000 online to 34,000 online when U15 dropped. On both steam charts and raptr we've seen a steady increase, on steam charts our online average has risen several thousand over the last few months alone. We're nowhere near decline, as much as naysayers would like to believe we are. Month Avg. Players Gain %Gain Peak Players Last 30 Days 15,445.0 -358.1 -2.27% 34,785 September 2014 15,803.2 -662.9 -4.03% 25,841 higher peak lower avg still over all loss Edited October 30, 2014 by Ravel7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)NME_PSYCO_HUSTLE Posted October 30, 2014 Author Share Posted October 30, 2014 it seems to be the case and it is a sad sight for me but I guess I will just have to join them and only play warframe when the updates and events come out. I will have to login to keep my dailies running I guess but a lot of clan members have stopped even doing that also I don't know we will see Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vaugahn Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Month Avg. Players Gain %Gain Peak Players Last 30 Days 15,445.0 -358.1 -2.27% 34,785 September 2014 15,803.2 -662.9 -4.03% 25,841 higher peak lower avg still over all loss Look at the graph again. Those are two different stats, and you're comparing them in a vacuum. If you follow the percentage gain and loss all the way, you'll see a significant net increase. Don't forget to look at raptr's stats as well, because those stats only show online steam players, which means they're not a complete accurate representation of active accounts. It really seems like many of the more critical people on the forums, yourself included, are almost desperate for the game to be declining. I can see why, as it would validate every bad thing they think is happening. It's simply not true though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)NME_PSYCO_HUSTLE Posted October 30, 2014 Author Share Posted October 30, 2014 can anyone post the stats for PS4 aswell? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vaugahn Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 can anyone post the stats for PS4 aswell? We don't have any :/ I'm sure they exist, Sony probably has all sorts of player metrics. I have no idea where they could be found though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)NME_PSYCO_HUSTLE Posted October 30, 2014 Author Share Posted October 30, 2014 ya I don't know where to get them either but im sure its worse than PC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynxh Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 (edited) And PC don't have a lot of AAA competition? I would say there is a stiffer competition on PC with greater variety of F2P games and a lot of powerhouse MOBA games out there. So that is really a moot point. No matter what system you are on you are gonna have a lot of competition. The way you battle that is to keep the player base interested with frequent updates so they don't get bored and move on. Warframe made the mistake with U14 on PS4 and bundled up too much content instead of releasing Operation: Breeding Grounds. Which Steve actually admitted was a mistake during devstream and said they would not make that again. .......but it seems they actually will do the same with U15. Rebecca hinted "I think we'll be able to submit console builds in mid November" on the reddit ask question thread. Which will probably mean late November early December for that to go live. So instead of releasing: Tiberon, Excavation missions, Blind Justice stance, Shifting Sands Tactical Alerts to keep players occupied we will have to wait for one massive update instead. Which will most likely cause more player retention. You see the excitement in the forums from the PC users as each wednesday closes in because they know something will happen. Be that just a hotfix or something bigger. Therefore you will see threads like "It's Wed!", It's Wednesday we all know what's coming today" "So no update this week?" etc etc It also is a bit like waving a carrot in front of you since the console users see all the things that are released but we can't have them. So if you have everything the game have to offer what do you do?....... you move on. While you are entirely correct that both platforms have competition, that doesn't equate to having equal amount or same kind of competition. The console market isn't the same as the pc for starters, and neither are the update habits, or game library among other things. So no, I wouldn't say that is a moot point at all. There are quit a bit of difference between the majority of console gamers and majority of pc gamers(the market), the habits of the platforms, and the state they are in. That aside, Warframe is doing just fine on pc. Statistics still beat anecdotes in my book. As a side note I'd like to say that hardcore tenno moving on isn't necessarily a sign of anything other then people being done with Warframe, which will happen sooner or later with anyone in any game. Edit: Some spelling issues, might be more D: Edited October 30, 2014 by Lynxh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)NME_PSYCO_HUSTLE Posted October 30, 2014 Author Share Posted October 30, 2014 (edited) all I know is out of my 100 member clan I am the only one on the game and out of our 12 clan alliance I am the only one on the game right now and these #s might not be stats but they suck Edited October 30, 2014 by (PS4)NME_PSYCO_HUSTLE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jfhsanseiIII Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 I see as many new players as I see old ones leaving. As a veteran I generally go to new player areas with recently formaed items and give advice. It'll help maintain the player base. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)NME_PSYCO_HUSTLE Posted October 30, 2014 Author Share Posted October 30, 2014 I do the same everyday I cant tell you how many players I have helped along the way because the same was done for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)IIIDevoidIII Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 And PC don't have a lot of AAA competition? I would say there is a stiffer competition on PC with greater variety of F2P games and a lot of powerhouse MOBA games out there. So that is really a moot point. No matter what system you are on you are gonna have a lot of competition. That is not what I was referring to. At launch, Warframe was one of the few games to exist on the PS4, as well as being free. A lot of people downloaded it, and played it. Now that more games are being released to balance the share of who's playing what, people begin to stop playing the game. When Warframe was released for PC, these AAA titles were already available, and so shouldn't affect the competition as much as it did during the first year of PS4 release. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freelancer27 Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 I find players who leave are normally those who have been burnt out of the game, even more on console games. The only decline I see is the personality of some players, from Legit and Understandable to Aggressive and Totally Out-of-their-minds. Not that I'm taking any haters here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pharen Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 Have to use my PC account to post this since the PSN login isn't working. But yes, there is a steady decline in PS4 warframe. I think it needs to be region free. Locking the PS4 players into regions doesn't work when the numbers are low. If people can't join other players they won't play. Then even more people leave. Another issue is that there is no way to easily matchmake into a game in warframe, all you can do is scroll around the planets and hope for the best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Magician_NG Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 I remember when trade chat was over a hundred people deep. Now you're lucky to see around thirty during peak hours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)SancticuS Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 I remember when trade chat was over a hundred people deep. Now you're lucky to see around thirty during peak hours. That has to do with the new chat system where only people that input anything will be listed instead of everyone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)LIAM-HARVEY Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 hate to say it but warframe has past it now. there is hardly anyone one these days you try and get in a match and you cant find any groups to play in you always running solo. there's not enuf updates to keep people playing this i guess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlakiNuva Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 Look harder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-CdG-Revo Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 Keep believing that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaynArgyr Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 Look harder. He's referring to the PS4 version of the game... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreyEnneract Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 For PS4, it's believable. Due to CERT you guys get updates slower than we do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Folkeye Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 (edited) Depends what time you play too. Earlier in the day I can find public matches for the Defense/Survivals I want to run. For the main missions (sabatoge, capture, rescue, spy...) I tend to run alone, or with a friend who is very dedicated to his video games and is usually online and happy to play whatever is going on. Yeah, there's wait in between updates, always is. I guess people just play hard and stop. Pacing is good. Edited October 31, 2014 by (PS4)Folkeye Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlakiNuva Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 He's referring to the PS4 version of the game... My previous statement still applies. 8| Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buzkyl Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 My previous statement still applies. 8| I'm pretty sure the PC version is alive and well, i haven't notice any lack of players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-HAKUNA-YOUR-TATAS- Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 Look harder. Keep believing that To to the OP's credit please realize folks that he's on PS4. I too noticed that Warframe on PS4 is awfully quiet. It's not dying a slow death, but I understand where he's coming from. There are lulls between updates where nothing new has come out, (remember on consoles it could be 4-5 weeks before a new update shows up) and not as many people sign on. My advice to you LIAM-HARVEY is to hit up recruit chat and do a LFM/LFG for whatever you're trying to run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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