Lunamaniac Posted November 30, 2014 Share Posted November 30, 2014 Going from mostly Puncture to mostly Impact is a pretty bad change. Fixed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kietsu Posted November 30, 2014 Share Posted November 30, 2014 Everything exclusive to Suda, outside of consumables, is unbelievably terrible. The Supra mod doesn't do much to help the gun's huge usability problems, the Kestrel mod may as well read 'does nothing', and the Boltor mod is apparently buggy - and is otherwise poor because explosions don't scale. I really don't need to explain the problem with the Gammacor, either. Still, I play for Suda, because I think she's cool, the ability mod selection is solid, and half of your effort goes to Steel Meridian and its vastly superior exclusives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mak_Gohae Posted November 30, 2014 Share Posted November 30, 2014 I said it in the hot topics Nope. People are just going to complain that X weapons is better than Y and all that this is going to do is have people all run to the syndicate that has the better weapon. This is going to have a boring trend of posts like this for a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnknownGunneryChief Posted November 30, 2014 Author Share Posted November 30, 2014 I said it in the hot topics This is going to have a boring trend of posts like this for a while. Good, bigger demand for Perrin and Loka goodies amirite? ^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qynchou Posted November 30, 2014 Share Posted November 30, 2014 T4 survival can give 5x R5 cores? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vorsches Posted November 30, 2014 Share Posted November 30, 2014 Personally I prefer the keys from the red veil, perrin sequence, and new loka. If you want keys from the opposite syndicates I'll gladly trade some with you. As for secondaries available from factions, don't bash the dual cestra, they be good, very good actually and loka has those lovely castanas. Red veil did blow it with the ballistica though. Mods? Yeah, I am inclined to agree that arbiters/steel/suda got some really good ones compared to others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout751 Posted November 30, 2014 Share Posted November 30, 2014 (edited) Sure, quote more people with misinformation. Nxt time lrn2rd before trying to act smart. oh and here, maybe a picture would help. -cut- I didn't check the Codex because if I need information when not on Warframe, I use the wiki. lrn2rd the part where I said "according to the wiki" before acting smart. http://warframe.wikia.com/wiki/Rakta_Ballistica Physical Damage 100.0 Impact 80.0 Puncture 10.0 Slash 10.0 Edited November 30, 2014 by Blackout751 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lunamaniac Posted November 30, 2014 Share Posted November 30, 2014 I didn't check the Codex because if I need information when not on Warframe, I use the wiki. lrn2rd the part where I said "according to the wiki" before acting smart. http://warframe.wikia.com/wiki/Rakta_Ballistica Physical Damage 100.0 Impact 80.0 Puncture 10.0 Slash 10.0 Unfortunately that only means you're still wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sapphirya Posted November 30, 2014 Share Posted November 30, 2014 I just wish you weren't pretty much locked into one of two sets of syndicates. You can be Meridian/Arbiter/Cephalon, or Perrin/Veil/Loka. But if you think the Red Veil is creepy (ie. me), and you want to join Cephalon, but also want to stick with Perrin and Loka, well, you're out of luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.T.M.P.D Posted November 30, 2014 Share Posted November 30, 2014 This why Arbiters will be last syndicate standing....along with Ceph. We will crush the Veil. Suda does not wish to kill. Suda wishes to study in harmony, and make peace. While we would disagree with those who would burn our libraries and send us even deeper into dark ages, we will attempt to use reason and judgement before wholesale annihilation. I just wish you weren't pretty much locked into one of two sets of syndicates. You can be Meridian/Arbiter/Cephalon, or Perrin/Veil/Loka. But if you think the Red Veil is creepy (ie. me), and you want to join Cephalon, but also want to stick with Perrin and Loka, well, you're out of luck. Word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teadude Posted November 30, 2014 Share Posted November 30, 2014 I never knew people took syndicates too seriously lol. I always thought they were a side-mission thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralArmchair Posted November 30, 2014 Share Posted November 30, 2014 Have you ever considered that just maybe balance isn't some easy thing that anyone can hammer out in a week? While true, the very existence of the Marelok+ shows that DE isn't even making a token attempt at balance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoeleVeerod Posted November 30, 2014 Share Posted November 30, 2014 In all honesty I didn't read what weapon and Warframe augment mods the Arbiters of Hexis offered. I had already decided that the "Tenno taking care of themselves without interference from any third part character" thing was enough for me to make a choice. I was actually worried I had chosen to support the least beneficial Syndicate... from what you're saying it seems all but that. I'm fairly confident that time will give us more options with Syndicates that will rebalance things out though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatpig84 Posted December 1, 2014 Share Posted December 1, 2014 Everything exclusive to Suda, outside of consumables, is unbelievably terrible. The Supra mod doesn't do much to help the gun's huge usability problems, the Kestrel mod may as well read 'does nothing', and the Boltor mod is apparently buggy - and is otherwise poor because explosions don't scale. I really don't need to explain the problem with the Gammacor, either. Still, I play for Suda, because I think she's cool, the ability mod selection is solid, and half of your effort goes to Steel Meridian and its vastly superior exclusives. Steel Meridian has lousy abilities, a useless spectre and T4 keys that drop easily from interceptions (defense is by far the most common)... In exchange for a great weapon and weapon mod selection. Suda has T4 MD, a USEFUL specter and some of the best ability mods (HOM, Curative, under tow etc). This is balanced out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oranji Posted December 1, 2014 Share Posted December 1, 2014 (edited) I didn't check the Codex because if I need information when not on Warframe, I use the wiki. lrn2rd the part where I said "according to the wiki" before acting smart. http://warframe.wikia.com/wiki/Rakta_Ballistica Physical Damage 100.0 Impact 80.0 Puncture 10.0 Slash 10.0 Unfortunately that only means you're still wrong. Who cares where you find stuff. The point being MISINFORMATION. Edited December 1, 2014 by Oranji Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
007-Creed Posted December 1, 2014 Share Posted December 1, 2014 (edited) Cestras are actually REALLY bad even with the additional 5 damage, crit chance and status chance. Castanas are good, but nowhere near top-tier, never said they're bad. Dual Cestras are good machine pistols and the buffed version on Perrin even better. Just because they arent marelok or brakk or u cant even use them doesnt mean they suck and are trash, stop whinning and l2p with cestras. Edited December 1, 2014 by Creeda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xethier Posted December 1, 2014 Share Posted December 1, 2014 i think it's a bit too early to see this thread at all. we're only a few weeks into this and they're still adding things by the truckload with every patch. give it another month or two. it's still to early to tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vaelamin Posted December 1, 2014 Share Posted December 1, 2014 I think once they fix the Ancient Healer spectre so that it actually heals, it'll make New Loka the best of the bunch. Imo. :) How long before that happens? Months? Then how long before it gets nerfed? Days? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric1738 Posted December 1, 2014 Share Posted December 1, 2014 (edited) DE failing at balance? are u new here? i have played warframe since april 2013 and i can say balance was never right in warframe. Edited December 1, 2014 by Eric1738 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arch111 Posted December 1, 2014 Share Posted December 1, 2014 (edited) Even if you are right to point out potential flaws in the system, this do not really matter unless DE start Syndicate Wars. If they will add Syndicate influence on Nodes this will matter like nothing we have seen. If Rails cone under influence or ownership of Syndicates, this will matter greatly. If the PVP grow and lead to a Unreal Tournament game-mode, this will actually be cool. Remember, its all new. We still do not have Focus. Quests are still in its infancy. Hubs breaks the game. DE might have another rabbit they will pull out around new year that will once again change our prioritys. All this said, I am watching from the shadows with great interest. Edit: Where is Stalkers Syndicate? Edited December 1, 2014 by arch111 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lorche Posted December 1, 2014 Share Posted December 1, 2014 (edited) By any chance, did you also count the fact that Syndicate weapons have their respective syndicate augmentation effect built-in? And, this discussion is still waaay to early man. Edited December 1, 2014 by Lorche Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernkastal Posted December 1, 2014 Share Posted December 1, 2014 Oh look, another thread whining about syndicates less than a month after release.... I'll just go back through GD again. Sorry I didn't have anything to contribute, guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LascarCapable Posted December 1, 2014 Share Posted December 1, 2014 Title edited. The "DE is lying" part was messing with my brain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gr33hn Posted December 1, 2014 Share Posted December 1, 2014 Only things I consider a unbalance in the syndicates are The Marelok of Steel Meridian, I dont understand why DE chose that gun, a souped up Kraken would have been better IMO. Would have been nice to see that old gun back in action. And the nerfed Ballistica of Red veil, the idea of a assassin crossbow tickles me but I am dissapointed with how it turned out, the shift to impact is a nerf to it. The rest I am fine with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuva_Kebab Posted December 1, 2014 Share Posted December 1, 2014 You are looking into this too much, it just so happens that some factions got better gear due to it making sense. It wouldn't be right if veil got the marelok now, would it ? Let me guess, you main red veil ? Going Veil = going Steel Meridian, they're allies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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