Helicoptering : Why Is It Still In The Game? O_O

[SIDESTRE4M]

DE did remove the glitch for infinite vertical wallrun.

People moaned over it for a week and there we are, still playing warframe.

 

After seeing the video with the sentinents where Excalibur runs his way up, I have high hopes that will be parkour 2.0.

 

I try to imagine a vanguard tipedo rhino flying through the screen while excalibur does all this. That, folks, is the difference between now and what it hopefully will be in the future.

[(PSN)Fen_Integrum]

I think they should add Gun Coptering. Leap forward, and fire bullets behind you for thrust ;-)

 

jkjk all

Edited March 24, 2015 by (PS4)Fenrushak

[Kutsus]

Removing coptering wont stop rushers from rushing, but it will make warframe considerably less fun, when i first started palying the freedom of movement was on of the first things that struck me, its damn fun and it makes combat more tactical due to being able to move directionally while in air, as well as slide in behind cover in one cool motion.

Remove coptering and you remove the feeling of being a warframe space ninja, which is liek the worst idea.

[IronRoby]

So,by that logic:

if everybody would shoot with overpowered rocketlaunchers,basicly breaking the game, because nothing else in a group with people using them would matter,then thats fine,you just dont have to use it ?

Very Valid point there,so why even bother with Parcour 2.0?

People like you wont be using it anyways,making it pretty meaningless since Coptering as it is will still be easier,and for most people faster.

 

also,my Boltor usage is a whole 1% btw,but that doesnt matter,Weapon-talk and balance is a whole dif topic,and got nothing to do with Coptering on Melees.

 

Why even bother with Parkour 2.0? Um, I don't know, maybe because it's a new content that many people would enjoy? I mean, the same reason DE is still releasing new "suboptimal" weapons too, are those meaningless because people will go back to their old favorite ones?

 

And comparison with weapons is not off topic because your main argument is about challenge and making a lot of other content meaningless. That's exactly what the best weapons in the game do right now. So the situation is not unique to coptering. If you remove coptering, which one of your favorite weapons should be removed so that you could enjoy more content with other weapons? 

 

Also, what you don't seem to realize that there is no red line barrier between those who copter and those who only use "normal" parkour. Most people use at least some parkour moves outside of coptering. I like slides and mostly rush with slide jumps, mostly reserving coptering on getting to higher places or to get in the middle of that cluster of enemies combined with a ground slam attack.

 

I would definitely use parts of Parkour 2.0, I just don't know why I should be forced to always use every single one of them, no more than I should be forced to try every new weapon coming out?

 

The only thing coptering really makes "meaningless" for me are vertical wall runs. So why bother including vertical wall running when coptering exists? The same reason I should retain the ability to walk even when I could always run. 

 

I'm all for legitimate balancing of coptering though. Just make it cost a lot of stamina or something so that people would employ more conservative strategy when using it and mostly keep it for jumping into higher floors or over pits.

 

Are you Serious?

Talking about progression about Coptering?

you know that you can copter right away with a Bo for example,no?

Waiting for the beloved Tipedo isnt a real progression since you can cover almost the same distance with said weapon,

bringing up this whole ''progression'' thing is a joke on that matter.

 

Then the logical argument would be to include more progression in weapon coptering ability?

 

Coptering is actually and could be a bigger part in melee balance. Theres a thread running here right now with somebody asking why he should ever use something other than Scindo Prime and how nerf please, that weapon makes other melee meaningless etc.

 

The most common counter argument to him? Scindo sucks at coptering.

 

Did you even read what i said?

and what some others said before,how they were making it look like Coptering is hard to do?

So yes i was going somewhere with it,and you prove me right by saying yourself that Coptering IS easy to do.

And again,Weapons,other than Melee,dont matter here,if almost everybody keeps killing entire rooms with OP rocketlaunchers then that would need a ''fix'' too,

and it shouldnt be just ignored with a ''then dont use it''.

 

I did and I don't care what others nominally on "my side" say, I only debate for my own self. And lol, what happened to the "weapon talk being off topic" when you want to use the comparison yourself?

 

The big issue here is... yes, coptering is easy and it makes parkour easier. What's the problem? For your brilliant rocket launcher argument - this is an FPS/RPG, not a Platfromer, or at least I certainly didn't join a Platfromer MMO.

 

Warframe already contains much more parkour platforming elements than any other MMO I have ever played and those are mostly fun, yes, but lets not pretend that parkour/platfroming is even close in importance to the combat/rpg part.

 

The hard and challenging parts of the parkour being a voluntary niche thing is a feature, not a bug, because, guess what, Platfromer MMOs are not exactly popular. So if you want to force everybody to play it like that with no way to skip the unwanted platformer parts, you might soon one day find there to be no Warframe at all.

 

Warframe is not Prince of Persia in Space, dude and it couldn't survive as one.

 

That animation is not MADE for Coptering,it is an Mid-Air Melee animation,like the Ground-Strike.

All that Coptering is,is a flaw in the Engine.

And i dont think that Warframe need even more Bugs,and also shouldnt start calling a flaw in the Engine a ''Feature''.

 

They reused an animation in a beta?! The Shock! The Horror!

 

Do you imagine the "Coptering Bug" to be some sort of a digital life form mutant that evolved from Mid-Air Melee into such a stable state all on its own? :)

 

Lets, for the purposes of this, accept the idea that this is a "bug". So what now? Apparently there was a miracle bug, with no broken code even, that makes the game better! Why should it be removed now? Wouldn't it make more sense to capitalize on it and work it into gameplay?

 

I say again, if that is your definition of a "bug", then Warframe need more "bugs" like that.

 

And your Point?

by your logic,if everything would be like the ''community'' (biggest Chunk of it is silent btw,like i was) want it to be,

then Viver and other things would be still around,people wiping entire floors on almost every Map by the press of button number 4.

the game would be full of totally overpowered things on all areas.

the entire game would be a boring redundant cakewalk without any difficulty and challenge at all whatsoever.

 

I distinctly remember phrasing it: "Community at work as it should be, for once."

 

DE can screw up and so can the community. If DE really wanted to remove the coptering and community reaction stopped them, then it means that community was right this time.

 

Also,how comes you dont say anything about the Main-reasons against Coptering that i brought up?

how it makes so many Mods,Stats and the other things i brought up basicly meaningless ?

got nothing to say against those,hm?

You just dont use any of that,like so many others do,because you chose to,making a big Chunk of the game meaningless,proving me right.

 

That was your Main Reason? My apologies, I seemed to have lost that in the midst of your... most eloquent formating.

 

I assume you are meaning things like Rush and Maglev?

 

You have more arguments against Rush mod, than against coptering. If everybody used Rush, it would basically become a mandatory add to all warframes, taking away one precious slot from everybody. Exactly like Serration-type mod is for weapons. They should just remove Rush and increase the base sprint speed of all frames.

 

As for Maglev, wasn't one of yours or somebody else's argument that coptering looks silly? Well, would you consider a video of four Tenno sliding all the time to the objective to be the height of being taken seriously and encouraging other to pick up Warframe for a trial run slide?

 

As for Stamina mods? (And by that I mean Quick Reset, nobody uses Marathon) They are also part of the melee balance and will have their place from just that alone.

 

So, a few bad mods are used less like so many other bad mods that are almost never used. I guess you can go back to rocking that Warm Coat and Provoked.

Edited March 24, 2015 by IronRoby

[seth]

Helicoptering is terrible but necessary, maps are so huge that I can't even imagine how long would you need to run trough one with slow frame like frost if helicoptering (dual ichor, serro; fastest helicoptering) trough them takes about 5min.

Not to mention new maps (corpus ice planet, ceres shipyard, infested ships and gas corpus outposts) they are terrible, especially ice planet and infested ships, pure cluster f@ck to navigate, level design 0 points, bunch of details that just get in way, clumsy to run/climb, but it probably looked wonderful as concept art.

 

Above mentioned maps need FUNCTIONALITY overhaul!!! And all maps need to spawn in smaller number of rooms.

I still most enjoy that map from closed beta - corpus ship; and second set that came out - grineer asteroid; grineer galleon is also cool.

 

Edit: grammar

Edited March 24, 2015 by seth

[CheckYourSix]

I did and I don't care what others nominally on "my side" say, I only debate for my own self. And lol, what happened to the "weapon talk being off topic" when you want to use the comparison yourself?

 

The big issue here is... yes, coptering is easy and it makes parkour easier. What's the problem? For your brilliant rocket launcher argument - this is an FPS/RPG, not a Platfromer, or at least I certainly didn't join a Platfromer MMO.

 

Warframe already contains much more parkour platforming elements than any other MMO I have ever played and those are mostly fun, yes, but lets not pretend that parkour/platfroming is even close in importance to the combat/rpg part.

 

The hard and challenging parts of the parkour being a voluntary niche thing is a feature, not a bug, because, guess what, Platfromer MMOs are not exactly popular. So if you want to force everybody to play it like that with no way to skip the unwanted platformer parts, you might soon one day find there to be no Warframe at all.

 

Warframe is not Prince of Persia in Space, dude and it couldn't survive as one.

 

 

 

^^ Nice reply.

 

I also want to stress that the vast majority of MMO'ers HATE platforming or jumping puzzles in their games. They hate it with a passion almost more than they hate escort missions. Especially when the bar for progressing is to finish a difficult jumping puzzle. This is why most MMO's that integrate jumping puzzles or parkour elements into their game use those elements for side stuff that doesn't matter to overall progression for a reason. The majority of the player base for MMO's don't respond well to that. So unless DE likes to shoot their finances in the foot, they aren't going take coptering away.

[IronRoby]

Edit: doublepost

Edited March 24, 2015 by IronRoby

[IronRoby]

Above mentioned maps need FUNCTIONALITY overhaul!!! And all maps need to spawn in smaller number of rooms.

I still most enjoy that map from closed beta - corpus ship; and second set that came out - grineer asteroid; grineer galleon is also cool.

 

I don't know about making all maps smaller, it makes sense for Exterminates with a lot of enemies and especially for Deception where the point is getting there and back through a map full of challenges, but Mobile Defense maps definitely should be smaller. What's the point of sometimes having to run through the a full Exterminate mission size map to get to the cluster of defense objectives that are packed together anyway? Especially if you have to haul your Frost there for the defense role.

 

 

^^ Nice reply.

 

I also want to stress that the vast majority of MMO'ers HATE platforming or jumping puzzles in their games. They hate it with a passion almost more than they hate escort missions. Especially when the bar for progressing is to finish a difficult jumping puzzle. This is why most MMO's that integrate jumping puzzles or parkour elements into their game use those elements for side stuff that doesn't matter to overall progression for a reason. The majority of the player base for MMO's don't respond well to that. So unless DE likes to shoot their finances in the foot, they aren't going take coptering away.

 

Hell, there are even many guides how to complete parkour Mastery tests in alternate ways. I used an Excalibur modded for power strength to Super Jump my way through the annoyance of Mastery test 8 and I plan to use Zephyr to pass M10 test soon.

 

Because in my opinion "Mastery" means having your way of achieving every objective, there should not be one "true" way of having to do something. And my way is acquiring and bringing appropriate gear for the mission.

 

And at the same time I passed the M9 stealth test without a stealth frame, because timing stealth like that can be fun for me and has present in many RPGs or FPSs I have played and loved. Yet I would not demand that people should not use their Lokis and Ashes for this, because that's how they play stealth, with bringing appropriate gear for it.

 

Hey that's an idea, why don't we remove stealth powers because the make the crouch stealth mechanic meaningless! Think about the crouch stealth mechanic, do you want to leave that game mechanic meaningless!?

Edited March 24, 2015 by IronRoby

[Second_Measure]

Remove coptering and you remove the feeling of being a warframe space ninja, which is liek the worst idea.

 

I don't think being a space ninja requires you to spin around yourself all the time for the sake of momentum. At least, I never saw that idea on the trailers of DE highlighting it.

 

^^ Nice reply.

 

I also want to stress that the vast majority of MMO'ers HATE platforming or jumping puzzles in their games. They hate it with a passion almost more than they hate escort missions. Especially when the bar for progressing is to finish a difficult jumping puzzle. This is why most MMO's that integrate jumping puzzles or parkour elements into their game use those elements for side stuff that doesn't matter to overall progression for a reason. The majority of the player base for MMO's don't respond well to that. So unless DE likes to shoot their finances in the foot, they aren't going take coptering away.

 

Did you ever try GW2's jumping puzzles?

[CheckYourSix]

I don't think being a space ninja requires you to spin around yourself all the time for the sake of momentum. At least, I never saw that idea on the trailers of DE highlighting it.

 

 

Did you ever try GW2's jumping puzzles?

 

Yes and while I had no problem doing them, most everyone in my 1000+ member clan at the time hated them with a passion as it was effusively stated many times on mumble.

[Second_Measure]

Yes and while I had no problem doing them, most everyone in my 1000+ member clan at the time hated them with a passion as it was effusively stated many times on mumble.

 

Probably are those which still got the jumping puzzle titles, regardless, because they have gotten a Mesmer Taxi to the goal.

 

Ha!

[Ryjeon]

I see all these Copterists running around all hyped on exploits. And it's sad really seeing these young folks seduced by some easy thrill. They be sliding around with their butts on the floor. It's just unnatural. We gotta git em outta here and go back to our founding values of running with sprinting Loki the way DE_God intended.

[BloodForTheBloodGods]

Well,

i totally believe you,

no,seriously...

i totally believe you!

That this really is the best ''solution'' YOU can think of.

 

Thanks for this precious addition to the Topic and the enlightment that you brought upon us.

Topic can be closed,the problem is finally solved.

Kudos to the allknowing and incredibly funny BloodForTheBloodGods.

We all can be proud to have such highly entertaining tryhard Comedy-Trolls with us.

 

Might wanna join the ''Badboyz'' that someone mentioned earlier,and go for a 4 man 40min T4 with them,to feel all pro and badass,

you would be a great addition.

Oh,and its 200p for that,a simple 5 second Google search would have shown you,but nobody is perfect,and you,are also VERY special :)

 

Thank you for the praise. I appreciate it.

 

It may seem as if I was trolling, because I was. I'm glad you caught on. It's hard to take posts like this seriously. It really dumbfounds me so many have jumped on this bandwagon.

 

I'll set the record that I don't actually copter. Just haven't got into it. But the way coptering is now, hurts no one. You have the choice of who you play with. You have the choice not to copter. Someone you've invited starts coptering? Don't invite them again. They, like you, are just trying to make the most of their gameplay and have fun. Take some responsibility for your own, and stop trying to make others play the way you want them to. It's not 'balance' and it's not 'equal'.

 

Oh, why would I waste my time googling, when I have someone else to do that for me? ;) The fact I knew it costs plat to change a username, dissuades me from ever being interested in changing said username.

 

Edited March 24, 2015 by BloodForTheBloodGods

[DarthyPoo]

Please, if you take my copter ill have nothing else. :(

[SIDESTRE4M]

Thank you for the praise. I appreciate it.

 

It may seem as if I was trolling, because I was. I'm glad you caught on. It's hard to take posts like this seriously. It really dumbfounds me so many have jumped on this bandwagon.

 

I'll set the record that I don't actually copter. Just haven't got into it. But the way coptering is now, hurts no one. You have the choice of who you play with. You have the choice not to copter. Someone you've invited starts coptering? Don't invite them again. They, like you, are just trying to make the most of their gameplay and have fun. Take some responsibility for your own, and stop trying to make others play the way you want them to. It's not 'balance' and it's not 'equal'.

 

Oh, why would I waste my time googling, when I have someone else to do that for me? ;) The fact I knew it costs plat to change a username, dissuades me from ever being interested in changing said username.

 

Copering vs. no coptering creates a gap because people don't care about each other. Those who can't copter because they like Scindo Prime just can't keep up. The difference is too high.

 

My consequence is playing solo most of the time or with friends. When I play online, I equip to be ready for everything and I can hold my ground when it comes to rushing.

 

Adapting to the team is the key. Not ignoring each other. But basically you are right.

[Spectrah]

Thank you for the praise. I appreciate it.

 

It may seem as if I was trolling, because I was. I'm glad you caught on. It's hard to take posts like this seriously. It really dumbfounds me so many have jumped on this bandwagon.

 

I'll set the record that I don't actually copter. Just haven't got into it. But the way coptering is now, hurts no one. You have the choice of who you play with. You have the choice not to copter. Someone you've invited starts coptering? Don't invite them again. They, like you, are just trying to make the most of their gameplay and have fun. Take some responsibility for your own, and stop trying to make others play the way you want them to. It's not 'balance' and it's not 'equal'.

 

Oh, why would I waste my time googling, when I have someone else to do that for me? ;) The fact I knew it costs plat to change a username, dissuades me from ever being interested in changing said username.

Guess what,

i actually LIKE to jump at Trolls like you,can you believe that?

i clearly called you a Troll,and yet i still sent a reply at you,why?

because,again,believe it or not,i LIKE jumping at little Trolls like you.

i said im done with the whole ''Forum-Business'',and yet,here i am,replying to you again,the Troll,guess why?

 

So if you think that you succesfully ''Baited'' me,do that,but i will jump at Trolls 9/10 times whenever i see one,bait or not,dont care,

in games or whatver that im active in,becuase i actually LIKE it,i glady give you that little attention that you are desperatlely in need of to get enjoyment in your life. ;)

To see Trolls running out of arguments at some point,or to see that throwing insults is the only thing they got left,or even blocking me after the Trolling and such, is fun,and a good thing to do imo! :)

 

And if you call 2 little Replies in this Thread a Success,then that only shows how awesome you are on the Trolling,some would call that a sadness.

Also,thanks for appreciating my ''praise'',and i got a whole lotta more of that left,dear BloodForTheBloodGods,the grand Mastermind of all Trolling.

 

And why Google,well maybe just for the fact to not throw things around that arent true,might make one look stupid to some,

and i didnt had to Google that,as you see that Option,logging into your Account,to upload a Clan-Emblem for example,and i am capable of remembering things,so i gladly correct your untrue statements even without a Google-search,youre welcome,no problem :)

 

About Coptering,im done repeating myself all over,again and again and again,

If people think that it is bad for a ''Space-Ninja'' game to actually put more sense into using all those moves we got in hand,

together with paying attention to stats and mods and abilities, to get more speed,if speed is what they want,

if they think that there shouldnt be any trade-offs to go faster than others,

and if some even state that Coptering is basicly all that Warframe got for it,or think it would be Prince of Persia in Space,then so be it,

its not exactly my definition of fun,or debating,having to repeate myself like a broken record against the same 2-3 arguments that arent even really valid imo.

At the end of the day,it is still just a flaw in the Engine that some clinge onto calling it a feature,not a bug.

 

Maybe they will finally get rid of it,or change it drasticly on Parcour 2.0,since atleast some at DE like Scott(i think) would like that too,

and since they also attempted it once already to have it removed,there is a chance,and im crossing fingers for it. :)

 

And thats basicly why im outta here,its more of an annoyance then fun to me at this point,and its not going anywhere,just have to wait and see,

but i still gladly pop in,to Jump at Trolls,specially those who throw something directly my way ;)

Edited March 25, 2015 by Spectrah

[Nembilim]

 Those who can't copter because they like Scindo Prime just can't keep up.

for the record, it is possible to keep up with people that are using Tipedo or Zoren with Scindo P, i've been doing it for the past week or so. it just adds to the point that no matter what, people will always be able to rush, coptering is just the easiest method.

[BloodForTheBloodGods]

Yeah, Nemblin, I was going to mention that^ I'm generally running Scindo P. Also, did you guys know you actually get benefits from rushing captures? That's the only time I rush. Or silly invasions, because repeating the same mission 3 or 5 times is ridiculous

 

 

Guess what,

i actually LIKE to jump at Trolls like you,can you believe that?

i clearly called you a Troll,and yet i still sent a reply at you,why?

because,again,believe it or not,i LIKE jumping at little Trolls like you.

i said im done with the whole ''Forum-Business'',and yet,here i am,replying to you again,the Troll,guess why?

 

So if you think that you succesfully ''Baited'' me,do that,but i will jump at Trolls 9/10 times whenever i see one,bait or not,dont care,

in games or whatver that im active in,becuase i actually LIKE it,i glady give you that little attention that you are desperatlely in need of to get enjoyment in your life. ;)

To see Trolls running out of arguments at some point,or to see that throwing insults is the only thing they got left,or even blocking me after the Trolling and such, is fun,and a good thing to do imo! :)

 

And if you call 2 little Replies in this Thread a Success,then that only shows how awesome you are on the Trolling,some would call that a sadness.

Also,thanks for appreciating my ''praise'',and i got a whole lotta more of that left,dear BloodForTheBloodGods,the grand Mastermind of all Trolling.

 

And why Google,well maybe just for the fact to not throw things around that arent true,might make one look stupid to some,

and i didnt had to Google that,as you see that Option,logging into your Account,to upload a Clan-Emblem for example,and i am capable of remembering things,so i gladly correct your untrue statements even without a Google-search,youre welcome,no problem :)

 

About Coptering,im done repeating myself all over,again and again and again,

If people think that it is bad for a ''Space-Ninja'' game to actually put more sense into using all those moves we got in hand,

together with paying attention to stats and mods and abilities, to get more speed,if speed is what they want,

if they think that there shouldnt be any trade-offs to go faster than others,

and if some even state that Coptering is basicly all that Warframe got for it,or think it would be Prince of Persia in Space,then so be it,

its not exactly my definition of fun,or debating,having to repeate myself like a broken record against the same 2-3 arguments that arent even really valid imo.

At the end of the day,it is still just a flaw in the Engine that some clinge onto calling it a feature,not a bug.

 

Maybe they will finally get rid of it,or change it drasticly on Parcour 2.0,since atleast some at DE like Scott(i think) would like that too,

and since they also attempted it once already to have it removed,there is a chance,and im crossing fingers for it. :)

 

And thats basicly why im outta here,its more of an annoyance then fun to me at this point,and its not going anywhere,just have to wait and see,

but i still gladly pop in,to Jump at Trolls,specially those who throw something directly my way ;)

 

Please try and keep your posts relevant. The 5/6 of that was rubbish about trolling. I wasn't baiting you. I was simply replying to set the record straight. This feature doesn't take anything from the parkour system. Here's a middle ground, though. Perhaps maybe, they should buff Parkour moves so they become more appealing to use. Exp from completing little challenges randomly generated in games, getting to difficult to reach places for secrets and loot. Then add a stamina nerf to helicoptering, like stamina doesn't recharge for a short time after a helicopter move, making it not as viable for rushing, but still there to melee into a group of enemies.

 

Once again though, I see no problem with the current set up. But apparently DE should nerf the game the lowest common denominator skilled player.

[SIDESTRE4M]

@Nembilim: Then those people were probably bad at coptering. During the time I swing my Scindo a pro copter tenno is already in the next tileset.

 

I can keep up with my friend too because he screws all over most of the time xD

 

I guess it really depends on the people. I wouldn't claim to be perfect either.

Edited March 25, 2015 by SIDESTRE4M

[Ryjeon]

for the record, it is possible to keep up with people that are using Tipedo or Zoren with Scindo P, i've been doing it for the past week or so. it just adds to the point that no matter what, people will always be able to rush, coptering is just the easiest method.

 

Exactly. You don't even need a weapon, chaining wall vaults with some slide-jumps mixed in is just as good in most circumstances. If people are leaving others behind then it's a teammate problem more than an equipment problem.

[Spectrah]

Yeah, Nemblin, I was going to mention that^ I'm generally running Scindo P. Also, did you guys know you actually get benefits from rushing captures? That's the only time I rush. Or silly invasions, because repeating the same mission 3 or 5 times is ridiculous

 

 

 

Please try and keep your posts relevant. The 5/6 of that was rubbish about trolling. I wasn't baiting you. I was simply replying to set the record straight. This feature doesn't take anything from the parkour system. Here's a middle ground, though. Perhaps maybe, they should buff Parkour moves so they become more appealing to use. Exp from completing little challenges randomly generated in games, getting to difficult to reach places for secrets and loot. Then add a stamina nerf to helicoptering, like stamina doesn't recharge for a short time after a helicopter move, making it not as viable for rushing, but still there to melee into a group of enemies.

 

Once again though, I see no problem with the current set up. But apparently DE should nerf the game the lowest common denominator skilled player.

 

Just to get things straight,you were baiting people with your first post,

the one that included such lovely things as '' NoHelicop%&^''.

 

And for second one:

well,if you Quote me,saying what youve said,even admitting that you are a Troll,

then i get on it,bait or not,again... dont care,

for the reasons ive told you.

 

And i dont think 5/6 things ive said about trolling are rubbish,but thats a point of view,like this whole Coptering debate is.

But im glad that you stop the trolling,and keep it relevant now.

 

So we are Cool now it seems,you stop the Troll,last reason for me to stay here gone,im out. :)

And i will be crossing fingers for Parcour 2.0

[Finedaible]

Helicoptering is the worst thing to happen to Warframe. It is the most annoying thing ever. And here is why.

 

1. It gives people a way to get though the levels without doing anything.

 

2. It takes away from actual game play.

 

3. It makes it very hard to PLAY the game if someone is helicoptering in Capture or Spy missions. You load in, and they have already done half the mission, and are finished it before you can work out whats going on.

 

4. It makes Warframe a racing game, not a co-op game.

 

I don't care if you think helicoptering is cool because it makes you get to the end faster. It takes away from the game FAR FAR more than what it adds, and I hope that with Parkor 2.0, this abomination is removed.

 

When I play the game, I want to PLAY the game, not have to keep up with some rushing !. If I wanted to play a game that was over in 5 seconds, I would go play no other game ever, because that's just stupid. It really dose not help new players, it dose not make the game fun, and it most deftly dose not make it a co-op game.

 

Ninjas are not fast. They are slow, and methodical. They are stealthy. They do not run past every single enemy going 'NA NA, CAN'T CATCH ME'.

 

Please DE, can you fix this anti-social behavior in your game so we can get back to actually having to use teamwork....

Omg, not another newbie kid and his assumptions on a game he hasn't even gotten into yet. Probably hasn't even reached Ceres yet.

[IronRoby]

This feature doesn't take anything from the parkour system. Here's a middle ground, though. Perhaps maybe, they should buff Parkour moves so they become more appealing to use. Exp from completing little challenges randomly generated in games, getting to difficult to reach places for secrets and loot. Then add a stamina nerf to helicoptering, like stamina doesn't recharge for a short time after a helicopter move, making it not as viable for rushing, but still there to melee into a group of enemies.

 

Exactly, there are three different coptering debates here: about constant coptering as rushing, about coptering to get into melee and about coptering to jump into high places or over wide pits.

 

If you have to, then rushing and melee coptering could maybe just be balanced with increasing coptering stamina cost. So if you plan to copter to rush or plan to jump around and melee, then you need to seriously consider Quick Reset, making coptering require a mod slot sacrifice. And/or add a cooldown to coptering, like 2 seconds -  that should hamper rushing and ties you down to engage the crowd of enemies you decided to copter in the middle of, before you can copter out or into another one.

 

It's childish to immediately start out by yelling demands to remove something you don't like, when you could easily at least try to make suggestions of how to balance it. When that does not work out, then you could consider supporting total removal. That's how legitimate constructive criticism feedback should work here.

 

But coptering as a maneuver to jump long distances and heights? There can only be stamina balancing/cooldown here to, total removal is simply not on the cards to keep the game from becoming a platformer. And not only that, but sometimes coptering actually doesn't have other parkour alternatives.

 

Lets see: there are two parallel bridges over the dark void and you need to jump from one to another. There are no walls. Normal jump is not enough. There's not enough room to make a slide jump at the right angle. What parkour maneuver other than coptering could you currently use here?

 

And tellingly, this part where there is no other parkour alternative to coptering is the only part that coptering does take some skill, because it can be easy to overshoot the other bridge and you have to pick a right diagonal angle based on the coptering abilites of your weapon to succeed.

Edited March 25, 2015 by IronRoby

[ra9una]

2. It takes away from actual game play.

 

It is the actual gameplay.

[Emberlynx]

Oh,and just incase somebody feel the urge to throw some silly sayings and phrases at me like ''why u so salty'',im not,thats BS,

and it just proves me right for your obvious lack of arguments.

Plus it makes yourself look like youre fresh out of kindergarden lol

 

Makes you kinda wonder why they even bothered that much with Mellee 2.0,huh ?

Might just wanna give us a Jet-Engine or something for a mellee weapon,

Almost no DMG but it got a super rare Stance to hold it up above you going super sanic fast by the press of a button !

Seems like many would LOVE that lol

 

 

Kinda seems to me like DE would actually like it to be gone for good,

theyre just scared to pull it off because of the big crying that would follow. (Happened before)

 

Gotta love how many of you guys are completly ignoring all valid facts against coptering,

 

did you guys ever use rush,or some other movement mod,probably not,huh ?

decided to go fast,and picked a frame with high movement speed for it,or one with good abilities to do so,probably not,huh ?

learning maps so you are able to wallrun on certain spots and such to increase your speed,probably not,huh?

ect,ect...  dont wanna repeat myself spinning in circles.

 

but all you guys are basicly saying is,

screw all that content that is in this game,

and the things that i, and some others mentioned earlier,

because: copter!

 

and the funniest thing is,

you are even trying to make it look like it is hard to do ! LOL

making it look like you are incredibly proud that you mastered the highly complicated, fine art, of coptering,

and refuse to let go for whatever content is getting pointless because of it,

you only make it look like you cant go as fast without it.

 

a few of you dont even know that it IS a bug!

Probably cry on another Thread that you want some other Bug fixed,

but threatening DE to leave the game if the Copter BUG gets a fix,

telling some people directly or indirectly to go Copter or play alone with some other ''nubcakes''

things like that show how much you actually care for the Game,and the community,among some other statements.

 

And then theres PvP,

you guys like? yes?

you probably never even had a look at it i guess,

so,screw that content too along with many other things,huh?

Just RoflCopter all over the place in hopes to randomly hit somebody on accident on your way,

makes the PvP super awesome,nothing like a sad,bad,joke at all. lol

 

But god forbid Gunplay would become viable in PvP,and you would have to pick and mod a Frame for Speed,learning maps,ect,

there never should be a tradeoff for going really fast,and there never should be a time to improve and learn new things,because... Copter! lol

 

also,there are Moderators here,no?

if that one argument i brought up would be a problem,then im pretty sure one of them would fix that,

there is no need to act up like a moderator on your own (thank god),

since we have them already,most probably also watching this Thread.

So feel free to send in an application,to become a moderator yourself.

 

So,by that logic:

if everybody would shoot with overpowered rocketlaunchers,basicly breaking the game, because nothing else in a group with people using them would matter,then thats fine,you just dont have to use it ?

Very Valid point there,so why even bother with Parcour 2.0?

People like you wont be using it anyways,making it pretty meaningless since Coptering as it is will still be easier,and for most people faster.

 

Are you Serious?

Talking about progression about Coptering?

you know that you can copter right away with a Bo for example,no?

Waiting for the beloved Tipedo isnt a real progression since you can cover almost the same distance with said weapon,

bringing up this whole ''progression'' thing is a joke on that matter.

 

Did you even read what i said?

and what some others said before,how they were making it look like Coptering is hard to do?

So yes i was going somewhere with it,and you prove me right by saying yourself that Coptering IS easy to do.

And again,Weapons,other than Melee,dont matter here,if almost everybody keeps killing entire rooms with OP rocketlaunchers then that would need a ''fix'' too,

and it shouldnt be just ignored with a ''then dont use it''.

 

And your Point?

by your logic,if everything would be like the ''community'' (biggest Chunk of it is silent btw,like i was) want it to be,

then Viver and other things would be still around,people wiping entire floors on almost every Map by the press of button number 4.

the game would be full of totally overpowered things on all areas.

the entire game would be a boring redundant cakewalk without any difficulty and challenge at all whatsoever.

 

Also,how comes you dont say anything about the Main-reasons against Coptering that i brought up?

how it makes so many Mods,Stats and the other things i brought up basicly meaningless ?

got nothing to say against those,hm?

You just dont use any of that,like so many others do,because you chose to,making a big Chunk of the game meaningless,proving me right.

 

Well,

i totally believe you,

no,seriously...

i totally believe you!

That this really is the best ''solution'' YOU can think of.

 

Thanks for this precious addition to the Topic and the enlightment that you brought upon us.

Topic can be closed,the problem is finally solved.

Kudos to the allknowing and incredibly funny BloodForTheBloodGods.

We all can be proud to have such highly entertaining tryhard Comedy-Trolls with us.

 

Might wanna join the ''Badboyz'' that someone mentioned earlier,and go for a 4 man 40min T4 with them,to feel all pro and badass,

you would be a great addition.

Oh,and its 200p for that,a simple 5 second Google search would have shown you,but nobody is perfect,and you,are also VERY special :)

 

And thanks for trying to indirectly call me stupid,

as you mention ''and you couldn't copter vertically before'',

didnt know that is a thing now,

might wanna pick your own Nose first.

 

Also,this whole Forum Business is...  well,lets just say no fun to me,normally not my kinda thing. (No Offense intended) (bolded for emphasis -- Emberlynx)

Playing Warframe for almost 2 years now,on and off with breaks,

and only 11 Forum Posts,10 of them in here, show that.

So i go back to the ''Shadows'' i came from,the place where the majority is sitting.

Feel free to Quote,twist my words,or throw some little phrases and sayings at me,whatever. :)

 

Guess what,

i actually LIKE to jump at Trolls like you,can you believe that?

i clearly called you a Troll,and yet i still sent a reply at you,why?

because,again,believe it or not,i LIKE jumping at little Trolls like you.

i said im done with the whole ''Forum-Business'',and yet,here i am,replying to you again,the Troll,guess why?

 

So if you think that you succesfully ''Baited'' me,do that,but i will jump at Trolls 9/10 times whenever i see one,bait or not,dont care,

in games or whatver that im active in,becuase i actually LIKE it,i glady give you that little attention that you are desperatlely in need of to get enjoyment in your life. ;)

To see Trolls running out of arguments at some point,or to see that throwing insults is the only thing they got left,or even blocking me after the Trolling and such, is fun,and a good thing to do imo! :)

 

And if you call 2 little Replies in this Thread a Success,then that only shows how awesome you are on the Trolling,some would call that a sadness.

Also,thanks for appreciating my ''praise'',and i got a whole lotta more of that left,dear BloodForTheBloodGods,the grand Mastermind of all Trolling.

 

And why Google,well maybe just for the fact to not throw things around that arent true,might make one look stupid to some,

and i didnt had to Google that,as you see that Option,logging into your Account,to upload a Clan-Emblem for example,and i am capable of remembering things,so i gladly correct your untrue statements even without a Google-search,youre welcome,no problem :)

 

About Coptering,im done repeating myself all over,again and again and again,

If people think that it is bad for a ''Space-Ninja'' game to actually put more sense into using all those moves we got in hand,

together with paying attention to stats and mods and abilities, to get more speed,if speed is what they want,

if they think that there shouldnt be any trade-offs to go faster than others,

and if some even state that Coptering is basicly all that Warframe got for it,or think it would be Prince of Persia in Space,then so be it,

its not exactly my definition of fun,or debating,having to repeate myself like a broken record against the same 2-3 arguments that arent even really valid imo.

At the end of the day,it is still just a flaw in the Engine that some clinge onto calling it a feature,not a bug.

 

And thats basicly why im outta here,its more of an annoyance then fun to me at this point,and its not going anywhere,just have to wait and see,

but i still gladly pop in,to Jump at Trolls,specially those who throw something directly my way ;)

 

Just to get things straight,you were baiting people with your first post,

the one that included such lovely things as '' NoHelicop%&^''.

 

And for second one:

well,if you Quote me,saying what youve said,even admitting that you are a Troll,

then i get on it,bait or not,again... dont care,

for the reasons ive told you.

 

And i dont think 5/6 things ive said about trolling are rubbish,but thats a point of view,like this whole Coptering debate is.

But im glad that you stop the trolling,and keep it relevant now.

 

So we are Cool now it seems,you stop the Troll,last reason for me to stay here gone,im out. :)

And i will be crossing fingers for Parcour 2.0

 

Dude. There are so many things I want to say to you right now, but I won't, because I have some shred of respect even for those I hate. You however, seem absolutely incapable of any empathy whatsoever. I almost feel bad for you, as this is actually a serious disorder:

 

"psychopath - a person with a psychopathic personality, which manifests as amoral and antisocial behavior, lack of ability to love or establish meaningful personal relationships, extreme egocentricity, failure to learn from experience, etc." (Dictionary.com)

 

Ignoring your obscenely aggressive overall tone, there is not one post of yours in this thread that doesn't include some personal insult. I have to disagree with you, I don't think the moderators are watching this thread at all, because you are by far the most offensive voice here. I dare you to make a civil argument without resorting to petty insults or assuming anyone who doesn't agree with you is by nature dead wrong. I imagine you will probably respond to this with something along the lines of "lol deal wiht it." Prove me wrong. Do it. You can't, because you are physically incapable of civil discussion.

 

I, like you, am normally quiet and don't engage in discussion, but I am appalled to the point where I cannot sit by and watch. This game has a generally great community, but people like you ruin all of that.

 

And thanks for trying to indirectly call me stupid

 

Just to clear things up, there is nothing indirect here. I am blatantly stating that you have a mental disorder. Take that as you will.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I actually somewhat agree with your point of coptering making other mechanics like speed mods and frames less relevant, but with such atrocious manners, you'll find that even your "allies" despise you.

Edited March 25, 2015 by Emberlynx