Chaosdreamer Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 (edited) Hi , Since the Supra has been released this weapon have major issue it has : -Hight cost to craft -Hight mastery rank (for what the use that weapon have) -Does not do what expected from a weapon that require that much (item to craft& MR since many weapon which are more easy to acquire do better) -Slow travelling Speed -Slow reload (unless using trick to reload faster...) -Heavy recoil (One of the rare weapon to have that heavy recoil withouth the mod) -The Time your plasma travel / hit ennemy squad members have alot of time to clear the mission , or maybe few more mission while you're loading (Of course after you have missed all your bullet you have to reload) -Not accurate from far (when any others weapon is accurate) What we could do "Buff" the Supra : (Note I don't understand why Dera got so much buff ,but Supra got ignored) : - Buff Speed for reloading , I know it's has alot of bullet/plasma but time to reload the map will be empty -Buff the travelling speed , as said above , time your bullet travel it take age , problem? Ennemy can move and all the plasma miss also someone who have Boltor Prime , Soma Prime or any others regular weapon will hit faster ,so wasting bullet -Fix the recoil , from all the weapon this game have ,this is the only to have inbuild recoil (not counting pistol) I would just love to see the "fun" to have Heavy caliber maxed on this... Is this is'nt getting a Buff , you could lower Mastery rank required and the item to make it.... Edited June 11, 2015 by Chaosdreamer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickelshark Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 Yes.The travel time is really really slow. It's a laser! It should go at the speed of light! Not the speed of my grandmother's scooter. At the least give all laser weapons the same travel time alt the bolt or even bow weapons. The reload needs to be cut down by 1 sec and magazine size buffed to 110-120. The Pink Floyd gun is pretty cool but it just has so many drawbacks, too many drawbacks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
011100110110000101101101 Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 Yes.The travel time is really really slow. It's a laser! It should go at the speed of light! Not the speed of my grandmother's scooterI'm pretty sure that all Corpus firearms fire concentrated plasma. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PickleMonster21 Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 #Hight cost to craft #Hight mastery rank #Does not do what expected from a weapon that require that much (item to craft& MR since many weapon which are more easy to acquire do better) #Slow travelling #Slow reload #Heavy recoil (One of the rare weapon to have that heavy recoil withouth the mod) #Time your plasma travel / hit ennemy someone have time to kill 150 time atleast #Not accurate from far (when any others weapon is accurate).. What's up with the hashtags? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordoFreeman Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 +1 supra buff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elele Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 As Vandal Quanta is incoming, DE is likely to just release a Vandal Supra in the future instead of doing a simple buff to the original Supra. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrBorris Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 Let Supra keep its quarks. Keep the spool up, low projectile speed, high recoil, and terrible aim. But... give it a cool down mechanic (so you may never have to reload), and a massive damage buff. The quarks of Supra are what could balance it having a ridiculous DPS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaosdreamer Posted February 14, 2015 Author Share Posted February 14, 2015 What's up with the hashtags? Well it could be - or @ , and i wanted to create the post as #BuffTheSupra but did'nt do it As Vandal Quanta is incoming, DE is likely to just release a Vandal Supra in the future instead of doing a simple buff to the original Supra. I hope so , but how many time is it? Will it get atleast improved or just skinned version of Supra? Let Supra keep its quarks. Keep the spool up, low projectile speed, high recoil, and terrible aim. But... give it a cool down mechanic (so you may never have to reload), and a massive damage buff. The quarks of Supra are what could balance it having a ridiculous DPS. Actually the problem with Supra that this weapon is slow to reload , and the damage why not but travelling speed kill everything , because you will either miss because the ennemy move and don't wait for your plasma , and most of time someone with weapon that cost way less to build will hit anything before you do (Well any weapon will do that) Even if I hate to say this but Bow and Sniper or faster than Supra ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belcebub Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 One thing i would love to see is making it use overheat mechanic instead of actual ammo. I think that gets suggested about every time a 'buff supra' thread comes up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaosdreamer Posted February 14, 2015 Author Share Posted February 14, 2015 One thing i would love to see is making it use overheat mechanic instead of actual ammo. I think that gets suggested about every time a 'buff supra' thread comes up. What do you mean Overheat system? What I'm thinking is Unlimited ammo until heat and have to wait before firing again? If this is it what it will really change? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RexRgisIocus Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 Keep reload time but buff mag size to 200 and 800 ammo cap. Up projectile speed to Dera's but keep the crappy accuracy. Up the base damage by quite a bit. Have fun with the new uber hall-way cleaner since Kohm no longer does so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PickleMonster21 Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 KEEP THE SUPRA HOW IT IS BECAUSE *wait for it* Maybe it is how it is for a reason. Not EVERY weapon is supposed to be absolutely OP. Besides, this is also one of the very few weapons that has a Syndicate mod. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaosdreamer Posted February 14, 2015 Author Share Posted February 14, 2015 KEEP THE SUPRA HOW IT IS BECAUSE *wait for it* Maybe it is how it is for a reason. Not EVERY weapon is supposed to be absolutely OP. Besides, this is also one of the very few weapons that has a Syndicate mod. Did you even read? Is not near to being OP , it's the weapon that require alot of item to be build , it's expensive , it's require hight mastery rank and can't do better than cheap weapon,if the cost and requirement to use it was low why not but this weapon never got a single buffed neither reviewed and for syndic mod theire is hight chance that more come with time for weapons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plznohurtme Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 Not that I don't agree with the OP completely, but this is one of many weapons which has been discussed to death with not a word from DE, don't get your hopes up. Apparently not enough people care? I honestly don't know, but if ongoing threads like this can't get any sort of response I just can't help but figure that DE simply doesn't care about rebalancing/fixing old items -- https://forums.warframe.com/index.php?/topic/355299-buff-supra/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaosdreamer Posted February 15, 2015 Author Share Posted February 15, 2015 Maybe if we keep those thread about Supra maybe Drew will make it on "community hot topic"? that actually what I hope ,being noticed and put in next hot topics maybe then we stand a chance to get something for this weapon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koujjo Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 Just got this weapon for the syndicate mod. It's the most horrid piece of crap I've ever equipped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mastikator2 Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 KEEP THE SUPRA HOW IT IS BECAUSE *wait for it* Maybe it is how it is for a reason. Not EVERY weapon is supposed to be absolutely OP. Besides, this is also one of the very few weapons that has a Syndicate mod. Buffing it wouldn't make it OP. Hell, making it hitscan, high accuracy still wouldn't make it OP, that would make it decent. Supra would need a huge boost to even enter the "good" range. Supra was bad when it came out a long time ago, it hasn't been buffed in all this time of power creep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yles9056 Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 (edited) Just got this weapon for the syndicate mod. It's the most horrid piece of crap I've ever equipped. I probably know why. The status chance is +20% fixed and is not affected by any mod so it's not very useful. Plus, Supra is a puncture damage weapon for armor enemy while the "+1 Entropy" is magnetic damage. No one would use magnetic against armor enemy. Back to the topic, I would suggest the following additional changes for Supra: 1.Make it fires 3 bullets per shot! Supra does has three barrels, right? 2.Self-regenerate ammo like Archwing guns. Edited February 15, 2015 by yles9056 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plznohurtme Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 Buffing it wouldn't make it OP. Hell, making it hitscan, high accuracy still wouldn't make it OP, that would make it decent. Supra would need a huge boost to even enter the "good" range. Supra was bad when it came out a long time ago, it hasn't been buffed in all this time of power creep. When it came out it actually did quite a bit more damage than anything else, but it had the big drawbacks that it still does... the only thing that has changed is the massive power creep of easier to use weapons which have relegated Supra to a pointless device. Yes it would be wonderful if they actually changed the status augment, but it's been on the list of broken augments for a long time now with nothing. Once again DE ignoring what they know about for reasons... well who knows so I'm just going to say reasons. The big thread that contains it is one managed by a moderator and DE has linked to... so it's not like they don't know about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SIDESTRE4M Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 I probably know why. The status chance is +20% fixed and is not affected by any mod so it's not very useful. Plus, Supra is a puncture damage weapon for armor enemy while the "+1 Entropy" is magnetic damage. No one would use magnetic against armor enemy. Back to the topic, I would suggest the following additional changes for Supra: 1.Make it fires 3 bullets per shot! Supra does has three barrels, right? 2.Self-regenerate ammo like Archwing guns. Who cares about the proc? It's more like nice-to-have. -------------------------- I like the supra and I could be quite forgiving if that damn reload time wasn't so high and the damage more rewarding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mastikator2 Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 When it came out it actually did quite a bit more damage than anything else, but it had the big drawbacks that it still does... the only thing that has changed is the massive power creep of easier to use weapons which have relegated Supra to a pointless device. IF (and only if) you were facetanking. In every other situation your accuracy dropped to less than 1/4th of any other given weapon but not doing 4x times as much damage per projectile. Even back in the days of Damage 1.0 it did bad damage, it was slightly below Dera which dealt an inferior damage type "Laser". The Dera which cost about 30% of what Supra cost, back when you had to build every Fieldron one at a time. I remember getting it when it got out and it was a disappointment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SIDESTRE4M Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 (edited) Back then I got hyped into that weapon too. I knew it wasn't considered that good anymore after the nerf, but to be honest, I still expected more. Edited February 16, 2015 by SIDESTRE4M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sword_Symphony Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 For the cost of this weapon it should be dealing the same level of damage as the Boltor Prime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koujjo Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 I was a bit depressed to hear Greg or whatever his name is say the Supra was fine on the devstream today. He basically said that it works well with Mirage. As if a weapon working "well" with one frame justifies it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plznohurtme Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 I was a bit depressed to hear Greg or whatever his name is say the Supra was fine on the devstream today. He basically said that it works well with Mirage. As if a weapon working "well" with one frame justifies it. This is the general approach to "old" stuff... it languishes and they don't give a damn about it. Ignoring the MR requirement and the large amount of materials for what essentially is MR fodder for most people. Perhaps they just have zero pride in the weapons they slot in and they view them as the MR fodder a lot of people use them as. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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