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(Reference) Ehp + Mobility By Frame. [Updated 18.5.6]

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U18.5.6

Mesa now only gains +30 HP without melee instead of +50

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U18.5

Mesa without melee gains + 50 hp. EHP becomes 325.25 - right between frost and frost prime.

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CSV (not including mesa with passive)

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Frame,H,S,A,DR,EHP,Mobility
Loki,100,130,55,0.85,248.33,1
LokiPrime,100,130,55,0.85,248.33,1
Vauban,110,130,45,0.87,256.50,1
Mirage,105,135,55,0.85,259.25,1
Nova,110,130,55,0.85,260.17,1
Limbo,110,130,55,0.85,260.17,1
Nezha,100,130,95,0.76,261.67,1
Nyx,110,145,20,0.94,262.33,1
Banshee,110,145,20,0.94,262.33,1
Trinity,110,145,20,0.94,262.33,1
Ivara,100,145,55,0.85,263.33,1
Mesa,115,130,55,0.85,266.08,1
Necro,110,140,55,0.85,270.17,1
TrinityPrime,120,145,20,0.94,273.00,1
NovaPrime,110,145,55,0.85,275.17,0.9
Hydroid,110,150,55,0.85,280.17,0.9
Ember,110,145,70,0.81,280.67,0.9
Equinox,110,145,70,0.81,280.67,0.9
NyxPrime,110,155,45,0.87,281.50,0.9
Volt,110,165,20,0.94,282.33,0.9
Mag,100,165,55,0.85,283.33,0.9
Ash,120,145,55,0.85,287.00,0.9
Oberon,115,145,85,0.78,292.58,0.9
Zephyr,120,165,20,0.94,293.00,0.9
EmberPrime,110,155,80,0.79,294.33,0.9
MagPrime,110,165,55,0.85,295.17,0.9
Excalibur,110,145,110,0.73,295.33,0.9
Wukong,110,155,85,0.78,296.17,0.9
Saryn,115,145,95,0.76,296.42,0.9
Valkyr,110,115,200,0.60,298.33,0.9
ExcalPrime,110,145,120,0.71,299.00,0.9
VoltPrime,110,165,70,0.81,300.67,0.9
SarynPrime,115,145,110,0.73,302.17,0.9
Inaros,225,0,105,0.74,303.75,0.9
Chroma,110,145,145,0.67,308.17,0.8
AshPrime,120,155,85,0.78,309.00,0.8
Rhino,110,165,100,0.75,311.67,0.8
Atlas,110,145,170,0.64,317.33,0.8
RhinoPrime,110,165,125,0.71,320.83,0.8
Frost,110,165,130,0.70,322.67,0.8
FrostPrime,110,175,130,0.70,332.67,0.8

UPDATED 18.3

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Frame,H,S,A,DR,EHP,Mobility,Health inc armor
Loki,100.00,110.00,55.00,0.85,228.33,1.00,118.33
LokiPrime,100.00,110.00,55.00,0.85,228.33,1.00,118.33
Vauban,110.00,110.00,45.00,0.87,236.50,1.00,126.50
Mirage,105.00,115.00,55.00,0.85,239.25,1.00,124.25
Nova,110.00,110.00,55.00,0.85,240.17,1.00,130.17
Limbo,110.00,110.00,55.00,0.85,240.17,1.00,130.17
Nezha,100.00,110.00,95.00,0.76,241.67,1.00,131.67
Nyx,110.00,125.00,20.00,0.94,242.33,1.00,117.33
Banshee,110.00,125.00,20.00,0.94,242.33,1.00,117.33
Trinity,110.00,125.00,20.00,0.94,242.33,1.00,117.33
Ivara,100.00,125.00,55.00,0.85,243.33,1.00,118.33
Necro,110.00,120.00,55.00,0.85,250.17,1.00,130.17
TrinityPrime,120.00,125.00,20.00,0.94,253.00,0.90,128.00
NovaPrime,110.00,125.00,55.00,0.85,255.17,0.90,130.17
Volt,110.00,140.00,20.00,0.94,257.33,0.90,117.33
Mag,100.00,140.00,55.00,0.85,258.33,0.90,118.33
Ember,110.00,125.00,70.00,0.81,260.67,0.90,135.67
Equinox,110.00,125.00,70.00,0.81,260.67,0.90,135.67
NyxPrime,110.00,135.00,45.00,0.87,261.50,0.90,126.50
Ash,120.00,125.00,55.00,0.85,267.00,0.90,142.00
Zephyr,120.00,140.00,20.00,0.94,268.00,0.90,128.00
Mag Prime,110.00,140.00,55.00,0.85,270.17,0.90,130.17
Oberon,115.00,125.00,85.00,0.78,272.58,0.90,147.58
EmberPrime,110.00,135.00,80.00,0.79,274.33,0.90,139.33
Excalibur,110.00,125.00,110.00,0.73,275.33,0.90,150.33
Volt Prime,110.00,140.00,70.00,0.81,275.67,0.90,135.67
Wukong,110.00,135.00,85.00,0.78,276.17,0.90,141.17
Saryn,115.00,125.00,95.00,0.76,276.42,0.90,151.42
Excalibur Prime,110.00,125.00,120.00,0.71,279.00,0.90,154.00
Valkyr,110.00,100.00,200.00,0.60,283.33,0.90,183.33
Rhino,110.00,140.00,100.00,0.75,286.67,0.80,146.67
Chroma,110.00,125.00,145.00,0.67,288.17,0.80,163.17
Ash Prime,120.00,135.00,85.00,0.78,289.00,0.80,154.00
RhinoPrime,110.00,140.00,125.00,0.71,295.83,0.80,155.83
Atlas,110.00,125.00,170.00,0.64,297.33,0.80,172.33
Frost,110.00,140.00,130.00,0.70,297.67,0.80,157.67
FrostPrime,110.00,150.00,130.00,0.70,307.67,0.80,157.67

Updated 18.1.3*

*Need stats for Nezha!

Added Tanky/Squishy mod chart.

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Range: (200, 330)

Relative EHP range:1.66x

Updated 18.1

Everything changed when the fire nation attacked.

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Range of mobility and range of EHP are both half of that they used to be. So goodbye diversity (is it for the best? We'll see).

New max speed value is 1.25*,

down from U18 - 1.4

down from Pre18 - 1.54

*Using squishy mod, low leap, and elemental

The game got slower again.

 

Updated 18.0.8 

- Fixed wrong Ember mobility stat
- Fixed wrong Excal Prime mobility stat
- Added Nekros
 

I am now removing Loki Prime from these charts, as he has always had identical stats to Loki Mediocre.

I am leaving Excal Prime in.

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U18.0

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What's this? EHP disparity is worse than before!

U18 with flat mod values

Min HP = 131.25

Max HP = 425

Difference = 3.24x (!!!)

Pre U18 with percentage mod values

Min EHP = 140.5, Loki (minus shield mod)

Max EHP = 443, Frost P (plus Shield mod)
Difference = 3.15x
 
Pre U18 before tank/squishy mods 
Old Min EHP = 166, Loki
Old Max EHP = 375, Frost P
Difference = 2.26x
 

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The following is defunct(pre U18) or data for those inclined.

Updated 17.11.1 to reflect Saryn changes.

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Data is sorted smallest to largest based on normal EHP (without mods, orange bar). Here, we can also see the strong negative correlation between 'tankiness' and 'mobility'. This chart includes the effects on EHP of the maxed ranked versions of the new (-mobility) + (+health/+shield) + (armor mods) and (+mobility) + (-health/-shield) - (armor) mods, as well as a reference for mobility.

Min EHP = 140.5, Loki (minus shield mod)

Max EHP = 443, Frost P (plus Shield mod)

Old Min EHP = 166, Loki

Old Max EHP = 375, Frost P

The potential difference between min and max EHP is now 3.15x.

This value used to be 2.26x.

(without mods)

Average EHP of 30 frames = 270
Median EHP of 30 frames = 273
 
 

Pre U18 comma separated values

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Frame,Mobility,EHP (total),Plus Shields EHP,Plus Health EHP,Minus mobility,Minus Shield EHP,Minus Health EHP,Plus Mobility
Ash,0.88,282.50,352.50,355.75,0.70,246.00,240.80,1.06
Ash P,0.68,350.00,425.00,427.50,0.54,297.50,293.00,0.82
atlas,0.68,350.00,403.33,411.67,0.54,290.00,276.00,0.82
Banshee,1.04,205.00,258.33,252.17,0.83,174.00,183.20,1.25
chroma,0.76,316.67,370.00,375.00,0.61,263.33,254.67,0.91
ember,1.00,233.33,286.67,283.33,0.80,196.67,201.33,1.20
ember P,0.94,266.67,325.00,317.50,0.75,220.83,231.67,1.13
equinox,0.98,233.33,286.67,283.33,0.78,196.67,201.33,1.18
Excal,0.90,275.00,328.33,329.17,0.72,230.00,228.00,1.08
Excal p,0.88,283.33,336.67,338.33,0.70,236.67,233.33,1.06
frost,0.66,350.00,413.33,406.67,0.53,285.00,294.00,0.79
frost p,0.64,375.00,443.33,431.67,0.51,302.50,319.00,0.77
loki,1.10,166.25,206.25,202.88,0.88,140.50,145.40,1.32
loki P,1.10,166.25,206.25,202.88,0.88,140.50,145.40,1.32
mag,0.94,241.25,296.25,277.88,0.75,193.00,220.40,1.13
mag p,0.90,271.67,335.00,320.50,0.72,222.33,243.87,1.08
nova,1.08,196.67,245.00,245.50,0.86,169.83,168.87,1.30
nova p,1.02,221.67,275.00,270.50,0.82,187.33,193.87,1.22
Nyx,1.06,205.00,258.33,252.17,0.85,174.00,183.20,1.27
nyx p,0.98,241.67,300.00,290.00,0.78,200.83,215.67,1.18
oberon,0.84,287.50,349.17,352.08,0.67,245.00,240.00,1.01
rhino,0.76,313.33,376.67,366.33,0.61,255.67,270.53,0.91
rhino p,0.70,341.67,405.00,397.50,0.56,278.33,288.67,0.84
saryn,0.86,297.92,359.58,363.54,0.69,253.33,246.67,1.03
trinity,1.04,205.00,258.33,252.17,0.83,174.00,183.20,1.25
trinity p,0.94,255.00,318.33,302.17,0.75,209.00,233.20,1.13
valkyr,0.72,350.00,393.33,416.67,0.58,295.00,258.00,0.86
volt,0.92,255.00,318.33,302.17,0.74,209.00,233.20,1.10
volt p,0.88,283.33,346.67,333.33,0.70,231.67,251.33,1.06
zephyr,0.86,307.50,387.50,378.25,0.69,261.00,274.80,1.03
 

 

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_BUSHIDO_

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I didn't aspect the plus shield/health and armor mods. I was agree with the introduction of the new bullet jump mods, even if I learnt how to manage without the same speed of my bullet jump before the nerf.

However, the possibility to see a super tank with 440 EHP is something that bother me... Also because you can still survive without bulletjump ( you're not going to be super slow, rolling and slide are fine) even if you are forced to be pretty much grounded.

I don't know, but IMHO we need a limit, you cannot boost your EHP if you already have tons of it, as long as you cannot boost your energy by equipping at the same time Adrenaline Boost and Heightened Reflexes.

 

Edit: Nice work btw ;)

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HC217

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this is useful. don't mind me, just commenting for the easy reference

 

EDIT: pyth, would it trouble you to add in movespeed values? would make my longtime hate for ash prime even more justified if there was a nifty graph that showed it

 

EDIT 2: doing god's work pyth

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Phasedragon

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Very nice work.

like like Bushido said, 440 EHP is a lot, compared to loki that has ~160 default.. its the triple EHP... they really need to buff loki habilities to pay-off that, cuz mobilitie doesnt pay off that for sure.

 

It's not loki's abilities that needs to be fixed (they're already kinda OP, but nobody uses him because he's so squishy), it's all the tanks. Get rid of the speed nerf and make the highest no more than 2x the lowest by increasing the lowest and decreasing the highest.

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Bahws

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I tried googling but can't find what mods are meant...

List of names please?

 

Never mind found them shortly after.

To anyone having a similar issue to me:

Adept Surge

Calculated Spring

 

Tempered Bound

Rising Skill

 

It should be noted that currently there is a mistake on the wiki as the picture for Tempered Bound and Rising skill is exactly the same.

But the stats listed in the text are different.

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HC217

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It's not loki's abilities that needs to be fixed (they're already kinda OP, but nobody uses him because he's so squishy), it's all the tanks. Get rid of the speed nerf and make the highest no more than 2x the lowest by increasing the lowest and decreasing the highest.

only tank that needs a nerf is ash p, frost pays for his tank stats with movespeed

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Boodendorf

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Nice chart.

Think we could also put in the OP which +mobilty -shield/health - armor mod (or the opposite) fits which frame, stat wise? I know I heard that a tanky frame benefits more from more tankiness and a squishy frame more from mobility. But which do you give more, like for frost, would you choose shield buff sinve he has more shield, or health buff? What about frames with equal hp/shield values?

Edit: nvm i think it's already in the post ty OP.

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Feyangol

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Well, I'm currently too busy to start a topic, but the real problem is that these new mods support extremes.

They give % bonuses, so the total gain of each mode is based on your actual stats. It's worth to use mobility mods on tanky frames and also not worth to use tank mods on squishies, on the contrary the best thing you can do is to make your light frames even faster and your tanky frames even tankier (or you just play a movement speed Ash p and Zephyr and you are fast and tanky ... xD ).

 

Give them total bonuses! Yeah, I mean it, they need TOTAL BONUSES!

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pavlo555

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Any chance you could overlay sprint speed on top of this as well? This should show what a huge outlier ash prime is.

sprint doesn't matter this much. And both ash and p(eepoo) version have the same sprint speed. Mobility and EHP are purely proportional for both.

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Pythadragon

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I need new data to reflect U18.

 

I need mobility values for:

 

Ember

Excal Prime

Frost

Loki

Mag

Nova

Nyx

Rhino

Wukong

 

Please and thank you :)

 

Current [incomplete] dataset in csv (updated for U18) included in OP

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Vyrn

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I need new data to reflect U18.

 

I need mobility values for:

 

Ember

Excal Prime

Frost

Loki

Mag

Nova

Nyx

Rhino

Wukong

 

Please and thank you :)

 

Loki: 1.0

Nova: .96

Rhino: .66

Wukong: .9

 

edit: WAIT, I found the issue. Having Sword Alone increased the mobility by .1. Oops.

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Pythadragon

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Loki: 1.10

Nova: 1.06

Rhino: .76

Wukong: 1.0

 

Please double check those values (make sure no mobility mods are on, including elemental mods.) I actually have conflicting reports now from another player for some of those values

 

I have:

 

Loki: 1

Nova: 0.96

Rhino: 0.66

Wukong: (still missing)

 

Thanks!

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Please double check those values (make sure no mobility mods are on, including elemental mods.) I actually have conflicting reports now from another player for some of those values

Yeah, I caught myself just now. Oooooops.

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