(PSN)CaulusOuranos Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 (edited) Remember Mirage's quest, Hidden Messages? Well, a thought came to me. Remember how Original Mirage died? When the quest came out, there was nothing to weigh it against, but now that several updates have released and things got added, I found something a little odd. Doesn't Mirage's death sound like what would happen if you used the synthesis scanner on something? If so, would that mean that there are still non-Lotus related Orokin loyal Tenno still running around? Wouldn't it also mean that we just recently Killed the Original Chroma? Thoughts? Edited October 29, 2015 by (PS4)CaulusOuranos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)shmittem Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 im confused. is this lore related Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UrielColtan Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 (edited) For one, that Mirage died in the Old war, second it seems clear that she died from a devastating attack that was blinding and merely left nothing behind, like she was completely blown away and turned to ash. Not some synthesis scan. And mirage seemed pretty chummy with Lotus from the memories not her enemy. As for Chroma, that was being controlled by an outside force and was probably hollow. Edited October 29, 2015 by UrielColtan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)Boreall Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 My issue is with the Gersemi skin. It's "pre-corpus". But Warframes are simply suits we wear now. Why would they mass produce a tortured and mutilated Valkyr suit? Why not just model the suit after the original valkyr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mcl_Blue Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 My issue is with the Gersemi skin. It's "pre-corpus". But Warframes are simply suits we wear now. Why would they mass produce a tortured and mutilated Valkyr suit? Why not just model the suit after the original valkyr Oooor every Valkyr that isn't using the skin was mutilated by Alad V. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nah_NotReally Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 My issue is with the Gersemi skin. It's "pre-corpus". But Warframes are simply suits we wear now. Why would they mass produce a tortured and mutilated Valkyr suit? Why not just model the suit after the original valkyr That's what I'm saying. I don't mind a lack of lore because of the first devstream, but if they're going to have something, they have to keep it logical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)Boreall Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 Oooor every Valkyr that isn't using the skin was mutilated by Alad V. I think you're misunderstanding what a warframe is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cubewano Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 My issue is with the Gersemi skin. It's "pre-corpus". But Warframes are simply suits we wear now. Why would they mass produce a tortured and mutilated Valkyr suit? Why not just model the suit after the original valkyr I don't know if my logic is spot on but since we rely of blueprints provided from bosses to make warframes we can only really manufacture what is provided to us. In the case of valkyr, we only ever acquired the data for the butchered post-corpus version and as such its the only version we are capable of creating. If we were to ever hope to create the pre-corpus valkyr we'd need to find an original valkyr untouched by the corpus to create it from, which has yet to happen. In the case of the skin itself, it could just be a case of us knowing what it looks like but not the core mechanics that gave her abilities, or just a general dismissal of lore since cosmetics haven't always been loyal to the games actual lore. (proto and nemesis are just callouts to a previous game and has nothing to do with this game's universe) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TARINunit9 Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 Why would they mass produce a tortured and mutilated Valkyr suit? Why not just model the suit after the original valkyr 1) They might have lost the original Gersemi designs 2) As for why use mangled Valkyr at all? Well, self-flagellation, a bit of ritualistic pain in order to respect the fallen Tenno who was original!Valkyr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UrielColtan Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 (edited) The idea that we mass produce every frame as it is, is speculative, it's possible that skins used can be mere visual place holders as opposed to literal mass production of that very skin. This is still a game and not every gaming interface and utitlity will be literal in regard to lore. Edited October 29, 2015 by UrielColtan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)Boreall Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 I'm leaning towards skins not being canon. What makes the most sense is that, as previously stated, we never had access to a pre-corpus Valk and the skin is just funzies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noabettiet Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 I think you're misunderstanding what a warframe is. We might all be, there are no certain facts and lore often changes over the years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UrielColtan Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 I think you're misunderstanding what a warframe is. Misunderstanding assumptions and uncommitted answers maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)Boreall Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 We might all be, there are no certain facts and lore often changes over the years. Actually the fact that Warframes are essentially exo suits is one of very few facts we know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)CaulusOuranos Posted October 29, 2015 Author Share Posted October 29, 2015 It says that Mirage was Held In Place, something happened, then Original Mirage disintegrated. Sounds a LOT like a synthesis scan to me. ESPECIALLY since we couldn't build Chroma until we scanned him... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rahetalius Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 (edited) My issue is with the Gersemi skin. It's "pre-corpus". But Warframes are simply suits we wear now. Why would they mass produce a tortured and mutilated Valkyr suit? Why not just model the suit after the original valkyr The Corpus don't plan on mass producing Warframes. Valkyr has a tortured appearance due to being the victim of cruel research and torture, in a possible attempt to reverse-engineer her, similar to how the Corpus does with Orokin tech. Edited October 29, 2015 by Rahetalius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrath_Of_Chrysalis Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 It says that Mirage was Held In Place, something happened, then Original Mirage disintegrated. Sounds a LOT like a synthesis scan to me. ESPECIALLY since we couldn't build Chroma until we scanned him... If anyone has seen an Oculyst scan something, it looks an awful lot like synthesis...minus the disintegration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UrielColtan Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 Something happened. Yeah, intense heat happened. What happens to many things that experience overwhelming heat? Turned to ash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)CaulusOuranos Posted October 29, 2015 Author Share Posted October 29, 2015 (edited) In a game where an Ice shield blocks bullets. An Ice Barrier you can WALK through. Because space magic, that's why. Also, How do you know whether or not synthesis scanning involves heat? Edited October 29, 2015 by (PS4)CaulusOuranos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mcl_Blue Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 I think you're misunderstanding what a warframe is. Enlighten me on how your supposition that someone mass-produced tortured and mutilated Valkyr suits is better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TARINunit9 Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 Enlighten me on how your supposition that someone mass-produced tortured and mutilated Valkyr suits is better. His point was actually that there was only one mutilated (and deceased) Valkyr, as opposed to the alternate theory that Alad V mutilated some 16 million Valkyrs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)Boreall Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 His point was actually that there was only one mutilated (and deceased) Valkyr, as opposed to the alternate theory that Alad V mutilated some 16 million Valkyrs Thank you, my point exactly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mcl_Blue Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 His point was actually that there was only one mutilated (and deceased) Valkyr, as opposed to the alternate theory that Alad V mutilated some 16 million Valkyrs I can hardly see how she would be deceased when she was specifically stated to having escaped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UrielColtan Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 (edited) In a game where an Ice shield blocks bullets. An Ice Barrier you can WALK through. Because space magic, that's why. Also, How do you know whether or not synthesis scanning involves heat? Synthesis isn't blinding. You realize Mirage was fighting sentients right? The assault lined up quite well with the assault in the Lancer synthesis lore. Edited October 29, 2015 by UrielColtan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TARINunit9 Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 I can hardly see how she would be deceased when she was specifically stated to having escaped. Source? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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