(PSN)Akuma_Asura_ Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 (edited) During the quest against the infested alad v we are attacked by a not fully infested Mesa who listens to alad v's commands but it doesn't seem like he was controlling her directly, since he was only just giving simple orders. So I ask who was operating that Mesa frame at that time ? Edited March 2, 2016 by (PS4)Akuma_Asura_ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raniu Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 No Tenno was in control of the frame. Mutalist Alad V controlled it. Simple orders seemed to be enough for the golem/whatever inside the frame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Akuma_Asura_ Posted March 2, 2016 Author Share Posted March 2, 2016 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Raniu said: No Tenno was in control of the frame. Mutalist Alad V controlled it. Simple orders seemed to be enough for the golem/whatever inside the frame. I don't think that's the case because if you look up infested chroma it says " controlled by an unknown force and sourced from an Arcane Machine." Maybe there is an ancient infested hive mind that have something to do with the sentients Edited March 2, 2016 by (PS4)Akuma_Asura_ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genitive Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 Mesa was controlled by Alad V via infestation. It even had his collar around its neck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pauli133 Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 4 minutes ago, Genitive said: Mesa was controlled by Alad V via infestation. It even had his collar around its neck. yep. http://warframe.wikia.com/wiki/File:InfestedMesa.png Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElGuirrix Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 Warframes by themselves are controlled by the link with their operators. Alad V captured and combined a Mesa warframe with infested tissue, probably breaking said link along the way. Also, mutalist Alad V can control infested, so he can control whatever he put inside the warframe, as well as using the control collar, which is pretty much it. Remember he can control us with the collar, so making one for that Mesa works just as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdunSaveMe Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 The frame was hollow. It was controlled by the mutated technocyte virus, with Alad V pulling the strings. The fact that it can use warframe abilities yet is still described as hollow, ''without a tenno inside'', is something of a plot hole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blakrana Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 44 minutes ago, AdunSaveMe said: The fact that it can use warframe abilities yet is still described as hollow, ''without a tenno inside'', is something of a plot hole. May not be that clear cut. After all, the creature in the Rhino Prime Codex explicitly demonstrated abilities comparable to the Rhino Charge, Iron Skin and Roar abilities we'd normally associate with a controlled Warframe. Could be that whatever a Warframe is, they have this similar primal capability...or, alternatively due to their mechanical nature it could be possible that a sufficient alternative energy source can substitute, but not anywhere near the same potency as if a Tenno was operating them. For all we know Infested flesh could be sensitive to Void energy, which would explain why it's found in Orokin technology, like the Pendula on Luna. Still, in any event, it's something we need further information on to clarify just exactly what's going on, so it's just a 'possibly this' conjecture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilvaDreams Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 1 hour ago, (PS4)Akuma_Asura_ said: I don't think that's the case because if you look up infested chroma it says " controlled by an unknown force and sourced from an Arcane Machine." Maybe there is an ancient infested hive mind that have something to do with the sentients No, the infested were a Biological (sort of) weapon the Orokin tried using against the Sentients, though the major reason it backfired was because as the technocyte virus grew in mass it developed a form of sentience in the form of a hive mind (And how we control the warframes, through an artificial form of it) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdunSaveMe Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 20 minutes ago, Blakrana said: May not be that clear cut. After all, the creature in the Rhino Prime Codex explicitly demonstrated abilities comparable to the Rhino Charge, Iron Skin and Roar abilities we'd normally associate with a controlled Warframe. Could be that whatever a Warframe is, they have this similar primal capability...or, alternatively due to their mechanical nature it could be possible that a sufficient alternative energy source can substitute, but not anywhere near the same potency as if a Tenno was operating them. For all we know Infested flesh could be sensitive to Void energy, which would explain why it's found in Orokin technology, like the Pendula on Luna. Still, in any event, it's something we need further information on to clarify just exactly what's going on, so it's just a 'possibly this' conjecture. The rhino prime codex explanation is simple; it was a warframe host (the surrogate) being controlled by a tenno. That makes perfect sense. A warframe alone cannot use those abilities. The host can, if controlled by tenno. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blakrana Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 Just now, AdunSaveMe said: The rhino prime codex explanation is simple; it was a warframe host (the surrogate) being controlled by a tenno. That makes perfect sense. A warframe alone cannot use those abilities. The host can, if controlled by tenno. Problem is that the way the narrative of that piece is laid out, the implication is that it wasn't under the control of a Tenno until the end, the whole 'checking hands' thing. Before that point...feral, primal rage. The whole piece is essentially an elaboration of the first 'Transference' incident, looking at it retrospectively. If the creature was already under control, some significant questions to be raised if it was under control from the start, what with the brief exercise in cannibalism half way through. And of course, if under control from the beginning it'd be very easy to just walk in, murder Davis and the Narrator and do...absolutely no damage to anything else in that room and just walk right on out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilvaDreams Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Blakrana said: Problem is that the way the narrative of that piece is laid out, the implication is that it wasn't under the control of a Tenno until the end, the whole 'checking hands' thing. Before that point...feral, primal rage. The whole piece is essentially an elaboration of the first 'Transference' incident, looking at it retrospectively. If the creature was already under control, some significant questions to be raised if it was under control from the start, what with the brief exercise in cannibalism half way through. And of course, if under control from the beginning it'd be very easy to just walk in, murder Davis and the Narrator and do...absolutely no damage to anything else in that room and just walk right on out. It was essentially just a type of Technocyte beast that wasn't attached to a hive so it was going on it's most basic instincts, to feed. But in a way it was to be the base of the warframes. Edited March 2, 2016 by SilvaDreams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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