Fuzzorz Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 (edited) "Mesa stand there and kill 80% of stuff ok bye" And no reward due to inactivity. Should be unbroken and having kills in that time frame would be an ez fix, or perharps a warning. But then someone will complain when people exploit it, for instance syndicate procs. In retrospect this is a pointless post never the less needs attention cause the frame is inherently prone to this unless another rework for her is made. Maybe let her do the terminator walk like I do when im lagging. p.s. yes I know banshee is a thing Edited July 4, 2016 by Fuzzorz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wandering_Cyberdragoness Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 Just out of curiosity, is English your first language? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khazlol Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 lazy banshees is teh worstz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VoidNomade Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 (edited) You want a easy fix? Move. With Music. Edited July 4, 2016 by VoidNomade \o/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azrael Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 Mesa isn't supposed to be a turret. She's supposed to move around and use her 4 for short bursts. That's why they increased the energy drain... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lhudge Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 (edited) No How dare you ask an other Mesa nerf ? Do you even know what's she's been through ? Edited July 4, 2016 by ludo3009 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azrael Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 *Edit: I summon you, @DeltaPhantom, arise and speak to us of your Mesa ways! Come forth, I command you! ( sorry, I can't edit posts on mobile for some reason...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kierlak Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 It's a design flaw, to be sure. Banshee, Saryn, Mesa, Ash, and Excaliber and Ember to some extent, and probably more that escape my memory right now, work best when they stand more or less still and do one thing over and over. And then the game seeks to punish you for playing the frames the way they perform best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bad4youLT Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 2 minutes ago, Kierlak said: It's a design flaw, to be sure. Banshee, Saryn, Mesa, Ash, and Excaliber and Ember to some extent, and probably more that escape my memory right now, work best when they stand more or less still and do one thing over and over. And then the game seeks to punish you for playing the frames the way they perform best. to be honest here CC support frames are more broken op when damage dealing frames and those should be considerd for nerfing first Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azrael Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 2 minutes ago, Kierlak said: It's a design flaw, to be sure. Banshee, Saryn, Mesa, Ash, and Excaliber and Ember to some extent, and probably more that escape my memory right now, work best when they stand more or less still and do one thing over and over. And then the game seeks to punish you for playing the frames the way they perform best. Standing still in one place is not how we are supposed to play warframe at all. We're supposed to be ninjas, not turrets. DE has tried many times to prevent us from playing frames this way. This is why Mesa was nerfed, to discourage being a turret. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zdeadfallout Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 (edited) Do you wanna have A BAD TIME Edited July 4, 2016 by Zdeadfallout Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rapt0rman Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 17 minutes ago, Lord_Azrael said: Standing still in one place is not how we are supposed to play warframe at all. We're supposed to be ninjas, not turrets. DE has tried many times to prevent us from playing frames this way. This is why Mesa was nerfed, to discourage being a turret. Well, hence design flaw, the're going to need to do more then increase the energy drain to get people to use it differently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godzilla853 Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 42 minutes ago, ludo3009 said: No How dare you ask an other Mesa nerf ? Do you even know what's she's been through ? He is trying to say that if you are in peacemaker then you are counted afk and he believes it needs fixed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azrael Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 1 minute ago, Godzilla853 said: He is trying to say that if you are in peacemaker then you are counted afk and he believes it needs fixed. Lol, if you stay in peacemaker long enough to be counted afk then you're doing it wrong. That was the point of my earlier comments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Railgun_Alter Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 5 minutes ago, Lord_Azrael said: Lol, if you stay in peacemaker long enough to be counted afk then you're doing it wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rapt0rman Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 Really the one who "did it wrong" is DE for making a turret : / Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrVonTuckIII Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 1 hour ago, rapt0rman said: Really the one who "did it wrong" is DE for making a turret : / No, they did it right. Attempting to turret with Mesa is extremely taxing on your energy reserves. Peacemaker is designed for quick bursts of firepower, in order to provide some extra damage, not to stand in one place and shoot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rapt0rman Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 (edited) 8 minutes ago, PrVonTuckIII said: No, they did it right. Attempting to turret with Mesa is extremely taxing on your energy reserves. Peacemaker is designed for quick bursts of firepower, in order to provide some extra damage, not to stand in one place and shoot. But that doesn't actually matter since you can counter low energy efficiency with efficiency mods, and then continue using her as a turret, otherwise the OP would never have been able to reach the afk timer point in the first place. She stands in one place and shoots, that's what her ability does. If DE want's her to not be a turret, they need to make her not a turret, that's really all there is to it. Edited July 4, 2016 by rapt0rman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Railgun_Alter Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 6 minutes ago, rapt0rman said: But that doesn't actually matter since you can counter low energy efficiency with efficiency mods, and then continue using her as a turret, otherwise the OP would never have been able to reach the afk timer point in the first place. She stands in one place and shoots, that's what her ability does. If DE wan't her to not be a turret, they need to make her not a turret, that's really all there is to it : / Um... you can just literally NOT use her as a turret and be done with it? You say "DE made her a turret"... but I don't recall DE ever saying "Here, have this frame. BUT WAIT : You have to play it EXACTLY like this or you can't use her" People use her and any frame like they want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rapt0rman Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Railgun_Alter said: Um... you can just literally NOT use her as a turret and be done with it? You say "DE made her a turret"... but I don't recall DE ever saying "Here, have this frame. BUT WAIT : You have to play it EXACTLY like this or you can't use her" People use her and any frame like they want. I don't even use her at all, DE is the one that tried to counter the turret-mentality and didn't succeed. Edited July 4, 2016 by rapt0rman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VoidNomade Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 10 minutes ago, rapt0rman said: She stands in one place and shoots, that's what her ability does. If DE want's her to not be a turret, they need to make her not a turret, that's really all there is to it. DE wants you to be a turret for 1:59 minutes :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OfPowerOfWant Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 The idea that "turrets" or standing ones ground and letting the battle come to you is a bad thing is the issue. Turrets and the concept are totally valid in conflict and actually seem to be opposed for their success Some people are really attached to "fun", "balance" or unique displays of skill, some just want the task done with minimal effort or conflict. Totally subjective I would personally play mesa way more if #4 was a mobile ability Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cray Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 2 hours ago, Lord_Azrael said: *Edit: I summon you, @DeltaPhantom, arise and speak to us of your Mesa ways! Come forth, I command you! ( sorry, I can't edit posts on mobile for some reason...) *yawn* Summoning complete. Need more Dr. Pepper. Please listen to the idiot known as my brother: 2 hours ago, Lord_Azrael said: Standing still in one place is not how we are supposed to play warframe at all. We're supposed to be ninjas, not turrets. DE has tried many times to prevent us from playing frames this way. This is why Mesa was nerfed, to discourage being a turret. As someone who tends to main Mesa, I use Peacemaker in short bursts, to counteract the shrinking cone of death. I use the break between bursts to move around a bit while I'm at it, but only if I'm actually standing in one place for a while. Usually I'm moving all over the place, even when using Peacemaker often. And the real design flaw isn't Mesa, it's the AFK system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azrael Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 31 minutes ago, DeltaPhantom said: *yawn* Summoning complete. Need more Dr. Pepper. Whew! It finally worked! I was starting to worry I'd drawn the pentagram upside-down or something. 41 minutes ago, VoidNomade said: DE wants you to be a turret for 1:59 minutes :) You know, I didn't think Mobile Mesa was possible before I started seeing people do it. Now I see how much fun she can be to play. It takes some skill, but the combination of Parkour and peacemaker is really where it's at with her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VoidNomade Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 7 minutes ago, Lord_Azrael said: You know, I didn't think Mobile Mesa was possible before I started seeing people do it. Now I see how much fun she can be to play. It takes some skill, but the combination of Parkour and peacemaker is really where it's at with her. She still stands still while shooting.^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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