If Oberon was Good....

[TheGodofWiFi]

5 hours ago, GiraffaYandereBeetle said:

Oberon can't heal as good as Trinity does yes, but take note Obe can damage, buff via Smite Infusion, status removal, knockdown immunity and CC in a way Trinity can't. Just my two cents on Oberon vs Trinity.

Yes, other frames are better, but again he can be versatile too. All it takes is the right player who wishes to explore and bring the best out of him, of course that doesn't mean there ain't any room for improvements for him.

As someone who mained Oberon for the first two months of playing this game, before picking up other frames, I can safely say his CC is pretty laughable.

Trinity can damage enemies with her EV and WoL abilities. Clearing status procs isn't really a priority when you have a Trinity as she can just keep buffing you right back up again.

Also Trinity doesn't need an Augment to buff allies. She can stand in her own two feet from the start. Oberon is basically Trinity's little brother. He'll get there one day hopefully. 

I really want him to be as good as Trinity for a number of reasons;

1. His alternate skin looks amazing.

2. He's supposed to be a space paladin/Druid who can dish out nice damage and heal pretty well. Oberon is not quite there yet.

3. I don't really like playing characters that don't conform with my gender. I like playing support classes and would happily give Trinity for Oberon if he was good, but right now he's a laughing stock compared to her. So I'm being forced to use a female frame as she's the only good squad healer in the game.

Please DE buff the space paladin!

Edited August 15, 2016 by LorianTheElderPrince

[MegpoidBeetle]

15 minutes ago, LorianTheElderPrince said:

As someone who mained Oberon for the first two months of playing this game, before picking up other frames, I can safely say his CC is pretty laughable.

Trinity can damage enemies with her EV and WoL abilities. Clearing status procs isn't really a priority when you have a Trinity as she can just keep buffing you right back up again.

Also Trinity doesn't need an Augment to buff allies. She can stand in her own two feet from the start. Oberon is basically Trinity's little brother. He'll get there one day hopefully. 

I really want him to be as good as Trinity for a number of reasons;

1. His alternate skin looks amazing.

2. He's supposed to be a space paladin/Druid who can dish out nice damage and heal pretty well. Oberon is not quite there yet.

3. I don't really like playing characters that don't conform with my gender. I would happily give Trinity for Oberon if he was good, but right now he's a laughing stock compared to her.

Please DE buff the space paladin!

I mained Oberon since the day he was released, which is for almost three years. I dare say that his CC is above Trinity's. Trinity is less likely to survive an onslaught of Infested being buffed by Healers and Disruptors aura especially when the aforementioned Ancients are hidden somewhere while Oberon can disable them.

And I don't exactly see how Trinity buff squads? Sure she gives energy, but with Zenurik and Rage a Trinity ain't even a big deal in my squad. As for the healing part it's understandable that Oberon shouldn't heal as perfect as Trinity, otherwise that'll defeat her purpose of being the main healer of the game. As long as you keep a sharp eye on your teammates health and cast Renewal at the right time, all's good for the squad.

Trinity and Oberon can't be as good as each other because they require different playstyles. Also:

1. Yes the skin is amazing.

2. There's a difference between being an actual paladin and paladin/druid-themed. A rework/change to his HG and Renewal would still be nice but he's far from being in the sh*tty pothole most players would like to believe

3. That's sexist.

Glory to Deer Goat Ninja Jesus

[(PSN)IroncladBomber]

He could use some love and a buff, but Oberon isn't a bad frame. Oberon is Oberon, he might not have the damage dealing of frames like Saryn or Ember, the healing of Trin, or the CC of Vauban. But he has a bit of everything. He just needs a tweak or two.

[Tizodd]

This may have already been mentioned, but one change that needs to be made to Oberon is having Renewal's HoT persist for its duration.  Currently, it cancels once a frame is at max health.  Thing is...we're CONSTANTLY taking damage.  If Renewal's duration would last its entire duration, Oberon's set would be greatly improved imo.

[Kastorius]

On 8/14/2016 at 2:28 AM, Senpai-Pie said:

Any frame can be good, if you yourself aren't horrible.

Ah, the perfect excuse to let crap frames languish in mediocrity year after year.

[TheGodofWiFi]

33 minutes ago, GiraffaYandereBeetle said:

I mained Oberon since the day he was released, which is for almost three years. I dare say that his CC is above Trinity's. Trinity is less likely to survive an onslaught of Infested being buffed by Healers and Disruptors aura especially when the aforementioned Ancients are hidden somewhere while Oberon can disable them.

And I don't exactly see how Trinity buff squads? Sure she gives energy, but with Zenurik and Rage a Trinity ain't even a big deal in my squad. As for the healing part it's understandable that Oberon shouldn't heal as perfect as Trinity, otherwise that'll defeat her purpose of being the main healer of the game. As long as you keep a sharp eye on your teammates health and cast Renewal at the right time, all's good for the squad.

Trinity and Oberon can't be as good as each other because they require different playstyles. Also:

1. Yes the skin is amazing.

2. There's a difference between being an actual paladin and paladin/druid-themed. A rework/change to his HG and Renewal would still be nice but he's far from being in the sh*tty pothole most players would like to believe

3. That's sexist.

Glory to Deer Goat Ninja Jesus

Zenurik and Rage are selective additions to the game. Not every frame is suited for those. Tanks like Chroma and Inaros make incredible use of the rage mod and Zenuruk energy as they can take more than a few hits.

Oberons CC is very, very limited. A tiny blind that might as well not be there and a rad proc that doesn't last long enough for it to be useful. Trinitys has damage reduction so she'd do much better at survival than him.

Why does here only have to be one main healer? Why not two? Then you won't be forced to pick the best as there will be no "best".

If most people believe he's in a sh*tty pothole, then he is. That's why it's called the majority. 

Also how on earth is it sexist for me to say I'm male and don't like being forced to play female characters? That's like saying a man who is being forced to wear a dress is sexist for protesting against it. I've always felt more comfortable playing male characters in my entire gaming experience. 

Edited August 15, 2016 by LorianTheElderPrince

[MegpoidBeetle]

14 minutes ago, LorianTheElderPrince said:

Zenurik and Rage are selective additions to the game. Not every frame is suited for those. Tanks like Chroma and Inaros make incredible use of the rage mod and Zenuruk energy as they can take more than a few hits.

Oberons CC is very, very limited. A tiny blind that might as well not be there and a rad proc that doesn't last long enough for it to be useful. Trinitys has damage reduction so she'd do much better at survival than him.

Why does here only have to be one main healer? Why not two? Then you won't be forced to pick the best as there will be no "best".

If most people believe he's in a sh*tty pothole, then he is. That's why it's called the majority. 

Also how on earth is it sexist for me to say I'm male and don't like being forced to play female characters? That's like saying a man who is being forced to wear a dress is sexist for protesting against it. I've always felt more comfortable playing male characters in my entire gaming experience. 

Sure that not every frame can synergize well with Zenurik and Rage, but I am specifically referring to Oberon right now.

Smite can rad proc and knockdown the initial stagger along with staggering nearby targets while Reckoning momentarily disable enemy auras, and the rad procs aren't nullified by Nullifiers so that's plus point compared to Nyx's Chaos. Still better CC than Trinity that could ensure survivability, and he's less squishy too.

If you want him to be a main healer, by all means go ahead. Renewal still has an infinitely better range than Blessing's shared affinity range albeit slow projectiles. And if you want more healers, go for Inaros, Nezha, Equinox, Nekros, Hydroid or even flipping Limbo if you wanna heal teammates but in a different manner, but if what you're looking for is a literal genderbend Trinity then you won't be seeing it in this game ever.

And guess what? Majority believes Noah's Ark is legit, must be true then!

Well, gotta start being more comfortable using female Warframes then? I highly doubt they'd turn Oberon into a full healer frame just cause someone is uncomfortable with Trinity being female.

[Midrib]

1 hour ago, Kastorius said:

Ah, the perfect excuse to let crap frames languish in mediocrity year after year.

This 100%

If I ask a talented sculptor to make me a statue of garbage, sure the statue could come out great. But that doesn't deny the fact that its still garbage.
 

It doesn't matter if the best Warframe god can play Oberon decently, Oberon is still trash.

Whenever I think of an all around frame that delivers everthing, I look at Equinox, She delivers and she doesn't have to be trash; to do so. (Inb5 Equinox nerf)

Edited August 15, 2016 by Midrib

[Urlan]

2 hours ago, LorianTheElderPrince said:

Zenurik and Rage are selective additions to the game. Not every frame is suited for those. Tanks like Chroma and Inaros make incredible use of the rage mod and Zenuruk energy as they can take more than a few hits.

Oberons CC is very, very limited. A tiny blind that might as well not be there and a rad proc that doesn't last long enough for it to be useful. Trinitys has damage reduction so she'd do much better at survival than him.

Why does here only have to be one main healer? Why not two? Then you won't be forced to pick the best as there will be no "best".

If most people believe he's in a sh*tty pothole, then he is. That's why it's called the majority. 

Also how on earth is it sexist for me to say I'm male and don't like being forced to play female characters? That's like saying a man who is being forced to wear a dress is sexist for protesting against it. I've always felt more comfortable playing male characters in my entire gaming experience. 

A majority of people being wrong doesn't make things right. It just means that an opinion is popular. Yes, many players think Oberon is garbage, this is incorrect and usually said because as a warframe, Oberon is a jack of all trades instead of a specialist. If players had used Oberon they would realize he is not the best at any role because as an all-rounder he is not meant to be. A skilled player uses the tools to do the job they need to accomplish that job. If that player needs a specialty tool, they exist; if the team needs roles they are not capable of covering, Oberon exists. His damage is not low, while not the highest, he deals status, and can remove status while giving armor buffs to allies. Comparing Oberon to Trinity is comparing the best healer to the second best healer - a healer that can still carry his own weight without enemies to Link, self damaging silliness, or hugging allies now to be within range for the superior heal to work. It is better to compare Oberon to other warframes with similar uses, Equinox, Hydroid with Curative Undertow; Nezha; and Limbo with his Haven augment - even in some manners Fire Chroma with his Elemental Ward. Oberon is not alone in being an all-rounder though the others don't have his flexibility without help.

Oberon could use additions, or tweaks, this is true enough. Oberon's last buff to his survival stats increase was overshadowed all the enemies getting buffed right after as I mentioned earlier. Most warframes however don't scale, its odd to think that Oberon would be different in this respect. With the exception of warframes that have non fixed values, Loki, Nova, Trinity to name the most popular of these; all warframes have a point where they hit the wall. The only fix for that situation is improving the game balance but that is a different discussion; instead, we must consider what the warframe of balance needs in this current environment. Are we saying we want Oberon to further embrace his Paladin side and become more tanky and healing or do we want to see his spell-casting Druid/healer side? Both have pros and cons, however neither would really change the situation of people wanting an all-rounder to be something he is not.

[TheGodofWiFi]

3 hours ago, GiraffaYandereBeetle said:

Sure that not every frame can synergize well with Zenurik and Rage, but I am specifically referring to Oberon right now.

That's not the point. You said that "most people don't need a Trinity" because of Zenurik and Rage, which is untrue.

3 hours ago, GiraffaYandereBeetle said:

Smite can rad proc and knockdown the initial stagger along with staggering nearby targets while Reckoning momentarily disable enemy auras, and the rad procs aren't nullified by Nullifiers so that's plus point compared to Nyx's Chaos. 

Meanwhile EV and WoL can completely incapacitate enemies for the duration of the ability. Now you're comparing Nyx's chaos to his rad procs? I'm sorry but you're diving into the realms of pure fantasy with that one. Sure Nullifiers can break the chaos ability on enemies but can Oberon lock down entire rooms with his rad procs for nearly a minute? No he cannot.

3 hours ago, GiraffaYandereBeetle said:

Still better CC than Trinity that could ensure survivability, and he's less squishy too.

Okay now you've made me laugh. Less squishy? Trinity with a Link build gives her 75% damage reduction. So she effectively becomes a tank. 

3 hours ago, GiraffaYandereBeetle said:

If you want him to be a main healer, by all means go ahead. Renewal still has an infinitely better range than Blessing's shared affinity range albeit slow projectiles. And if you want more healers, go for Inaros, Nezha, Equinox, Nekros, Hydroid or even flipping Limbo if you wanna heal teammates but in a different manner, but if what you're looking for is a literal genderbend Trinity then you won't be seeing it in this game ever.

The difference is that Blessing returns 80% of her and allies health and shields instantly. Renewal provides it over time and in Warframe, time is of the essence. That is what makes Trinity superior to Oberon.Not to mention Blessing also grants allies 75% damage reduction as well.

Maybe Oberon will never get to the same level as Trinity, which is a shame.

3 hours ago, GiraffaYandereBeetle said:

And guess what? Majority believes Noah's Ark is legit, must be true then!

Now you're just being silly. Comparing religion to a video game. Unlike religion, video games tend to have facts and numbers to back up debates such as this. You're just clutching at straws. It is a common fact that Oberon is not the best frame in the game, this is backed up by play testing and overall common sense. He's trying to be too many things at once and subsequently spreads himself too thin. He's got a little bit of everything in him, but that's just the problem; it's a little bit.

When Pheonix Renewal came out, I actually thought they'd done Oberon justice. But the augment turned out to be next to useless with that insultingly long cooldown. They tried to copy Wukong's Defy only they took out the immortality part.

 

Edited August 15, 2016 by LorianTheElderPrince

[TheGodofWiFi]

2 hours ago, Urlan said:

A majority of people being wrong doesn't make things right. It just means that an opinion is popular. Yes, many players think Oberon is garbage, this is incorrect and usually said because as a warframe, Oberon is a jack of all trades instead of a specialist. If players had used Oberon they would realize he is not the best at any role because as an all-rounder he is not meant to be. A skilled player uses the tools to do the job they need to accomplish that job. If that player needs a specialty tool, they exist; if the team needs roles they are not capable of covering, Oberon exists. His damage is not low, while not the highest, he deals status, and can remove status while giving armor buffs to allies. Comparing Oberon to Trinity is comparing the best healer to the second best healer - a healer that can still carry his own weight without enemies to Link, self damaging silliness, or hugging allies now to be within range for the superior heal to work. It is better to compare Oberon to other warframes with similar uses, Equinox, Hydroid with Curative Undertow; Nezha; and Limbo with his Haven augment - even in some manners Fire Chroma with his Elemental Ward. Oberon is not alone in being an all-rounder though the others don't have his flexibility without help.

Oberon could use additions, or tweaks, this is true enough. Oberon's last buff to his survival stats increase was overshadowed all the enemies getting buffed right after as I mentioned earlier. Most warframes however don't scale, its odd to think that Oberon would be different in this respect. With the exception of warframes that have non fixed values, Loki, Nova, Trinity to name the most popular of these; all warframes have a point where they hit the wall. The only fix for that situation is improving the game balance but that is a different discussion; instead, we must consider what the warframe of balance needs in this current environment. Are we saying we want Oberon to further embrace his Paladin side and become more tanky and healing or do we want to see his spell-casting Druid/healer side? Both have pros and cons, however neither would really change the situation of people wanting an all-rounder to be something he is not.

Being the jack-of-all-trades may be good in other games, such as single player RPGs, but Warframe is an online MMO RPG and every player is assigned a specific role in squads just like other MMOs such as WoW. What do you mean by "if the team needs roles they not are capable of covering, Oberon exists." Oberon cannot cover every single role in the game. He's not a god frame. In Warframe there is no second best if you want to do serious missions. A high level team will always have a variety of Warframes at their disposal. I have never once seen in the recruitment chat "Need Oberon.". He is a beginner frame and by the time people end up doing serious raids and high level missions, they generally have a good idea about how the game works and that Oberon isn't exactly the most useful of choices when in a squad. Never once in a raid squad has anyone requested an Oberon. Which like I said before, is a damn shame.

The armour buff is laughable as you need to stand within the tiny light carpet to keep that buff and you cannot afford to stand still in high level missions otherwise you will be one-shotted. No one wants to be an all-rounder as being good a one thing and focusing on it in this game is the best way to go. I mean if you're a Loki, you're not going to charge headlong into a group of Corrupted Bombards inside a Nullifier bubble are you. Maybe you know people who actually use Limbo and his Haven augment to actually help people, in my case all I have seen are trolls. Teabagging downed players while they are invincible.

I absolutely loved playing Oberon. But when I started actually grinding for big rewards, like in Sorties, I had to constantly focus on keeping myself alive rather than completing the actual objective. Getting other frames such as Excalibur, Chroma, Inaros, Loki and Trinity made the job so much easier and actually lifted the weight off my shoulders.

If DE do give Oberon a rework, they should completely take away the all-rounder theme. Make him into something new and fresh. Give him his own unique playstyle rather than painstakingly pretending to be multiple things at once. 

Edited August 15, 2016 by LorianTheElderPrince

[Kastorius]

Typical Oberon usage scenario:

• Corpus sortie
• cast carpet
• teammates stand in it
• Sapper Ospreys dispense 50,000 sappers
• everyone dies while nullifiers simultaneously remove all of your carpets anyway
• cast Renewal
• Sniper Crewman one-hits teammates anyway
• press 4, some enemies lose 1/4 of their health and get rad procced
• no energy
• switch to Trinity and finish sortie

[Tymerc]

Oberon is cool because he can affect bleedout timers. The only downside is that his healing ability apparently has to remain active, and once it fades the increased time goes back to normal. 

[OzoneSlayer]

Oberon is better than hydroid

[(XBOX)EternalDrk Mako]

23 minutes ago, OzoneSlayer said:

Oberon is better than hydroid

that burn 

jk 

in all honesty i find him fun , just both lack synergy to the point it feels negligible to use unless a lot of moding and  forma at put into them for me 

[Hayabusa97]

Oberon is good, the only problem is that he (and sometimes Nezha) is often compared to Trinity (who I personally think is a poorly designed healer/support frame because her 2nd ability and her ult are a couple of the most broken abilities in the game IMO. Former restores energy to allow ability spam while her ult is a burst heal that heals everyone back to 100% health and shields and also makes her 1 useless) simply because he has a heal skill.

Edited August 16, 2016 by Hayabusa97

[achromos]

11 hours ago, GiraffaYandereBeetle said:

I mained Oberon since the day he was released, which is for almost three years. I dare say that his CC is above Trinity's. Trinity is less likely to survive an onslaught of Infested being buffed by Healers and Disruptors aura especially when the aforementioned Ancients are hidden somewhere while Oberon can disable them.

And I don't exactly see how Trinity buff squads? Sure she gives energy, but with Zenurik and Rage a Trinity ain't even a big deal in my squad. As for the healing part it's understandable that Oberon shouldn't heal as perfect as Trinity, otherwise that'll defeat her purpose of being the main healer of the game. As long as you keep a sharp eye on your teammates health and cast Renewal at the right time, all's good for the squad.

Trinity and Oberon can't be as good as each other because they require different playstyles. Also:

1. Yes the skin is amazing.

2. There's a difference between being an actual paladin and paladin/druid-themed. A rework/change to his HG and Renewal would still be nice but he's far from being in the sh*tty pothole most players would like to believe

3. That's sexist.

Glory to Deer Goat Ninja Jesus

Is it sexist though?  To prefer to play characters that match your own gender?  Would you say that if a women didn't want to play male frames? Hmm.

[cookieknife]

11 hours ago, GiraffaYandereBeetle said:

I mained Oberon since the day he was released, which is for almost three years. I dare say that his CC is above Trinity's. Trinity is less likely to survive an onslaught of Infested being buffed by Healers and Disruptors aura especially when the aforementioned Ancients are hidden somewhere while Oberon can disable them.

And I don't exactly see how Trinity buff squads? Sure she gives energy, but with Zenurik and Rage a Trinity ain't even a big deal in my squad. As for the healing part it's understandable that Oberon shouldn't heal as perfect as Trinity, otherwise that'll defeat her purpose of being the main healer of the game. As long as you keep a sharp eye on your teammates health and cast Renewal at the right time, all's good for the squad.

Trinity and Oberon can't be as good as each other because they require different playstyles. Also:

1. Yes the skin is amazing.

2. There's a difference between being an actual paladin and paladin/druid-themed. A rework/change to his HG and Renewal would still be nice but he's far from being in the sh*tty pothole most players would like to believe

3. That's sexist.

Glory to Deer Goat Ninja Jesus

damage resistances is buffing. end of story. and if we are talking about augments. uh vampire leech'?

[MegpoidBeetle]

8 hours ago, LorianTheElderPrince said:

That's not the point. You said that "most people don't need a Trinity" because of Zenurik and Rage, which is untrue.

 

But my point still stands that people don't need a Trinity in their squad, it make things easier for them but it's definitely not a need.

8 hours ago, LorianTheElderPrince said:

Meanwhile EV and WoL can completely incapacitate enemies for the duration of the ability. Now you're comparing Nyx's chaos to his rad procs? I'm sorry but you're diving into the realms of pure fantasy with that one. Sure Nullifiers can break the chaos ability on enemies but can Oberon lock down entire rooms with his rad procs for nearly a minute? No he cannot.

*can completely incapacitate an enemy at a time. It's great and all, but it's the lil plus point that counts. He can't do things as good as others, but he can do things others can't.

8 hours ago, LorianTheElderPrince said:

Okay now you've made me laugh. Less squishy? Trinity with a Link build gives her 75% damage reduction. So she effectively becomes a tank. 

Yes I am aware that Link exists. I can effectively turn Oberon into a moderate tank as well with the proper modding but let's honest, in a situation where a room is full of energy leeches, Trinity would be the one that's gonna get mauled to death first before Oberon.

8 hours ago, LorianTheElderPrince said:

The difference is that Blessing returns 80% of her and allies health and shields instantly. Renewal provides it over time and in Warframe, time is of the essence. That is what makes Trinity superior to Oberon.Not to mention Blessing also grants allies 75% damage reduction as well.

Maybe Oberon will never get to the same level as Trinity, which is a shame.

 

Maybe you could like, idk, consider the fact they're apples and oranges?

8 hours ago, LorianTheElderPrince said:

Now you're just being silly. Comparing religion to a video game. Unlike religion, video games tend to have facts and numbers to back up debates such as this. You're just clutching at straws. It is a common fact that Oberon is not the best frame in the game, this is backed up by play testing and overall common sense. He's trying to be too many things at once and subsequently spreads himself too thin. He's got a little bit of everything in him, but that's just the problem; it's a little bit.

I'm not comparing religion to Warframe entirely, but more on your premise of "If everyone believes so, it is so". And sure Oberon's not the best in the game, I would know. I enjoy his jack of all trades role, makes it less of a hassle for me to decide should I bring x or y frame to the game. Master of none but better than a master of one. If you had Oberon's current role removed in favor of a more specialized role, then it won't really feel like Oberon again. You can go on and say Oberon is beyond salvation and requires a complete change to his kit that removes his all rounder theme, but for me he just a need some tuning to two or three (Smite is perfect as it is) of his abilities and he's all good.

1 minute ago, achromos said:

Is it sexist though?  To prefer to play characters that match your own gender?  Would you say that if a women didn't want to play male frames? Hmm.

I actually would lel. It depends how you word it though ;)

2 minutes ago, cookieknife said:

damage resistances is buffing. end of story. and if we are talking about augments. uh vampire leech'?

Didn't bring up Vampire Leech because somebody felt that Trinity doesn't need an augment to buff allies, so meh.

[cookieknife]

In my opinion for Oberon to fit the Paladin/ Druid theme hes advertised as, he needs:

Higher base armor

More buff abilitys and/or more buffs on Hallowed Ground AND it's +20% armor needs to be greater., it also needs to have a larger base range and possibly a limit to the amount you place , like 4 or 5

His Renewal Ability needs to work like it did on release, can revive allies (doesnt have to be instant) but with augments on nekros like Soul Survivor, it is totally unfair that they took that away from him and never compensated with a better use. (and the longer the orb is going it needs to speed up, long range oberon's heal is useless) and also, it doesnt have to cost a small amount, a revive is a big thing, hell make it 100 energy to revive a fallen player (and make it a second type of cast of renewal, like you hold 3 to revive them)

Reckoning needs to have a better function that just slamming them and being based on killing them, if you cant kill the enemy with one, you are spamming it just for a chance for an orb. The blind is out of place and very useless even when modded for. 

and Oberon needs to have synergy. The way his abilities function it would be totally easy to concept synergy between his 4 and 2 or 1 and 2.

Smiting an enemy should have some sort of lasting effect afterwards, not necessarily a debuff, but just an aura that stays on the enemy for a short period that can open up an opportunity for synergy (using reckoning on that enemy or even them walking onto hallowed ground.)

While oberon is using Renewal it needs to have sometype of buff. like a sort of ward, it should be damage resistance like blessing has, but definitely not as high as 99% of course, maybe a 20% base.

oberon is a paladin so im just throwing out ideas. hes not a tank like a paladin is, hes not a reliable healer like a paladin is, hes exactly what everyone says a jack of all trades and a master at nothing (status being an exception? but a very forgettable one.) he needs to excel at what he does. HE DOES NOT HAVE TO BE BETTER OR EVEN ON PAR WITH A DAMAGER OR A HEALER but he needs to atleast be able to compete with them.

oberon is in a bad place and it's sad how limbo, nekros, and ash are being put placed higher priority for reworks (nekros's slight rework came out already but still the same mentality)

[cookieknife]

Just now, GiraffaYandereBeetle said:

 

Didn't bring up Vampire Leech because somebody felt that Trinity doesn't need an augment to buff allies, so meh.

you still completely disregarded the soul function of blessing though.

[MegpoidBeetle]

1 minute ago, cookieknife said:

you still completely disregarded the soul function of blessing though.

My bad. When I was touching on buffing teammates it was more towards damage buff rather than resistance buff. Shoulda clarified on that.

[Camelslayer]

On 8/14/2016 at 2:33 AM, Govictory said:

are you implying he is terrible? Oberon has uses still but can be very niche at times for group play, but for solo he is still one of my favorites

Lets list a few things he brings for groups that is good

his 2 removes status ailments, take that radiation proced Ash in sorties, and also it makes those venomous eximuses seem not so scary

he has a mass AOE knockdown with his 4, not only does it knock down but it can proc radiation making it really solid against grineer and infested

his 3 can be very useful in certain stiuations like a nova is getting wailed on, your 3 can keep her above the point where she starts losing energy from quick thinking because your heal is a heal over time

I very much like Oberon's concept (even have the deluxe skin), but he's far too overcomplicated. His abilities have a million different effects on them, and even as someone that's played Oberon fairly extensively, I can't keep the effects of what each skill does straight. That's kind of a problem.

Oberon does a bunch of things just okay. His damage is just alright. His heal is just alright. He's not super bad but he's not amazing by any sense of the word, if you're going for any specific utility he has, there's other frames that do most everything he can better.

He needs to have his core concepts given a quality of life update while removing all the unnecessary ability fluff that was added as an attempt to buff him.

[cookieknife]

14 minutes ago, Camelslayer said:

I very much like Oberon's concept (even have the deluxe skin), but he's far too overcomplicated. His abilities have a million different effects on them, and even as someone that's played Oberon fairly extensively, I can't keep the effects of what each skill does straight. That's kind of a problem.

Oberon does a bunch of things just okay. His damage is just alright. His heal is just alright. He's not super bad but he's not amazing by any sense of the word, if you're going for any specific utility he has, there's other frames that do most everything he can better.

He needs to have his core concepts given a quality of life update while removing all the unnecessary ability fluff that was added as an attempt to buff him.

imo i think he needs to be even more complicated, but thats not necessarily a bad thing, if somethings complicated it should work and have a certain flow, like mag right now she has good synergy, or saryn or volt.

Oberon's power concepts would be easy to just add an effect . but i agree to an extent because the blind effect on reckoning has no place and it's more of a rare occurrence than anything

[MegpoidBeetle]

Just now, cookieknife said:

imo i think he needs to be even more complicated, but thats not necessarily a bad thing, if somethings complicated it should work and have a certain flow, like mag right now she has good synergy, or saryn or volt.

Oberon's power concepts would be easy to just add an effect . but i agree to an extent because the blind effect on reckoning has no place and it's more of a rare occurrence than anything

How bout this? Smite a teammate under the effect of Renewal to heal them equals to the damage of Smite :D