Prime Vault and Prime Vault Accessories Discussion

[Ailissa]

1 minute ago, Heckzu said:

Well, why didn't you just buy the Prime Accessory pack with the corresponding accessories when they were for sale? If you don't want to have a duplicate warframe and weapons, you can just abstain from purchasing the pack.

Some people own multiple copies of the same warframe or weapon for additional color or mod layouts. It's not like skins where you can't own more than one copy.

I would have done, were I playing when they were released. 

 

I wasn't.

 

And, again, why would I pay for something I already own, that's foolish. 

 

Having options is not a bad thing. People that already own the frames would be able to buy the accessories and DE would make money. If they don't want that money that's fine, i'm not complaining, i'm merely pointing out that I would have paid for the cosmetics but i'm not buying the packs with the frames as I already have them and don't want them again.

[(PSN)Kamranos]

I know everyone wants all great accessories. They were only ever part of a PA or PA Accessories pack. Vault packs (last time I looked) cost the same or less than the PA Accessories packs and come with a Frame, two weapons and cosmetics. If you already have the frame and want the cosmetics...buy the pack. As someone who has purchased every accessories pack since they were introduced, I think offering the re-released ones separably would be insulting to those who bought in larger packs in the first place. I never wanted all those Affinity or Credit boosters, but I took them because they were part of the pack. Yes you could use the argument that this would bring in more money for DE, but from a money making stand-point, the amount of people who will simply buy the unvaulting pack for those cosmetics already could outweigh the sales from smaller packs or at least be within acceptable margins. We are entitled to nothing but at least DE is pulling out older frames so those who do not have them, can get them. I see the unvaulting as a way to bring new players into the habit of supporting Warframe by getting thing that may never have been available to them. 

Edited December 1, 2016 by (PS4)Kamranos

[Dat_Krawg]

2 minutes ago, (PS4)Kamranos said:

We are entitled to nothing but at least DE is pulling out older frames so those who do not have them, can get them. I see the unvaulting as a way to bring new players into the habit of supporting Warframe by getting thing that may never have been available to them. 

you are quite right their and in part i do agree with everything you said.

for new players it is defiantly the bee's knee's and you are right i could and maybe even will grab the big pack and just sell off the frame and weapons

[AsuraKyu]

4 minutes ago, (PS4)Kamranos said:

I know everyone wants all great accessories. They were only ever part of a PA or PA Accessories pack. Vault packs (last time I looked) cost the same or less than the PA Accessories packs and come with a Frame, two weapons and cosmetics. If you already have the frame and want the cosmetics...buy the pack. As someone who has purchased every accessories pack since they were introduced, I think offering the re-released ones separably would be insulting to those who bought in larger packs in the first place. I never wanted all those Affinity or Credit boosters, but I took them because they were part of the pack. Yes you could use the argument that this would bring in more money for DE, but from a money making stand-point, the amount of people who will simply buy the unvaulting pack for those cosmetics already could outweigh the sales from smaller packs or at least be within acceptable margins. We are entitled to nothing but at least DE is pulling out older frames so those who do not have them, can get them. I see the unvaulting as a way to bring new players into the habit of supporting Warframe by getting thing that may never have been available to them. 

Different being you weren't paying for things you already had...If the accessory pack even released the same as the PA packs sure, at the very least boosters are always useful. Not so much for a frame especially if you consider forma and such. If you feel insulted because a move convenient pack would be made avilable for players who possibly missed it, that's kind of selfish on your part. I have all the accessories I want, paid full price for them, but if someone can get them too for less hassle sounds like a win to me.  

[AcceI]

7 hours ago, (PS4)DesecratedFlame said:

People that don't own it will be happier with options. People that already own it . . . DE already has your money.

With that kind of logic, you'd think DE would have released Excal Prime to the masses already. U_U

[(PSN)maso_sage-mode]

7 hours ago, N7_Lotus said:

A lot of people will be very angry if Misa/Pyra will be released into a separate accessories pack.

It will be an insult to a lot of us if you do this, so please do not cater to the armchair financialists.

ITS COSMETIC, YOU DON'T HAVE TO BUY IT, it doesn't affect gameplay/mastery. I will buy this and will continue to support DE no matter what, they are one of the only remaining good game devs left in this industry.

you sir made me laugh for couple secs. ty for that though

[(PSN)Mofojokers]

OP some of us own everything in the store and love to support DE. This doesn't mean we want to rebuy frames and weapons we already have ..... 

Rather just pay a small amount for the prime fashion items... not that it matters they didn't listen last time.

Still off that high horse buddy...

Edited December 1, 2016 by (PS4)Mofojokers

[-Rinzler]

8 hours ago, N7_Lotus said:

I will buy this and will continue to support DE no matter what, they are one of the only remaining good game devs left in this industry.

hAhA, its not april fools day yet man, hold on to that one

Edited December 1, 2016 by -Rinzler

[-Rinzler]

1 hour ago, AcceI said:

With that kind of logic, you'd think DE would have released Excal Prime to the masses already. U_U

You're acting like they didnt, or should i assume that youre in denial about ''Umbra'' being a reskin of excalibur prime?

[ChuckMaverick]

14 minutes ago, -Rinzler said:

You're acting like they didnt, or should i assume that youre in denial about ''Umbra'' being a reskin of excalibur prime?

From what I've read the stats on Excal Umbra are different to Excal Prime.

If having the same stats is not important, then by your logic Excal Prime is just a reskin of regular Excal.

[-Rinzler]

6 minutes ago, ChuckMaverick said:

Excal Prime is just a reskin of regular Excal.

Every prime is a reskin of the regular counterpart, not sure what you mean by 'Your logic' .-.

[ChuckMaverick]

3 minutes ago, -Rinzler said:

Every prime is a reskin of the regular counterpart, not sure what you mean by 'Your logic' .-.

I consider regular and prime frames to be different as they have different stats, by claiming that Excal Umbra is just a reskin of Excal Prime and ignoring the stat differences, you clearly don't (your logic).

[-Rinzler]

Just now, ChuckMaverick said:

I consider regular and prime frames to be different as they have different stats, by claiming that Excal Umbra is just a reskin of Excal Prime and ignoring the stat differences, you clearly don't (your logic).

You seriously consider a maybe 5% increase in energy pool a stat difference that matters? The only thing primes ever had over the vanilla versions was the free energy they could get from void orbs, which really doesnt matter anymore. And if youre somehow under the impression that a prime frame's stats are better than the vanilla in any way, you must be very delusional.

[ChuckMaverick]

17 minutes ago, -Rinzler said:

And if youre somehow under the impression that a prime frame's stats are better than the vanilla in any way, you must be very delusional.

We're going way off topic here, but prime frames clearly have stats that are objectively better than their vanilla version, to state otherwise is simply ignoring the facts. I'm not the one who is delusional here.

Whether those stat differences are significant is a different debate, but they are unquestionably different.

[Tsukinoki]

11 hours ago, Multicom-EN- said:

Based on my understandings from @[DE]Rebecca's tweets, there will only be 3 packs. Fire, Ice and some combo pack.

When Frost prime first got unvaulted there was a community uproar about there not being any separate pack for accessories. I faintly remember someone from DE saying they would look into a different solution on the next unvault, which I do not remember what was. We still did not get a separate pack. 

My question is, why can't we get that? I skipped the last unvault that had Misa Prime Syandana in it simply because I already owned it all except for the accessory. Now I'm going to skip again as there will be no option to buy the accessories separately for a cheaper, though not too cheap price. $20 and I'd happily buy Misa Prime Syandana. But not $50 or whatever the price is going to be this time around. 

 

Sidenote: Why is Operator cosmetics locked behind a $50 paywall?

 

Edit: Dang it, was in the middle of editing when this was merged in xd

Problem here:
The normal accessory pack is $50.  it comes with boosters, the accessories and no plat.
The prime vault costs $60.  It comes with around $60 worth of plat, the accessories, and at worst extra slots if you sell the gear.

They can't really lower the price to your "$20" and call it good.
Because while it may increase the sales of the prime vault accesorries, I seriously doubt that 3x more people would buy the accessories at that price point (minimum to break even) and it would have an adverse impact on PA sales.

After all, I could either buy the accessory pack for $50, or I could wait and get it down the line for $20....

Honestly the Prime Vault has a pretty good offering in terms of price: The accessories, $60 in plat, and at the very worst extra slots.

7 hours ago, EgoSerpentis said:

And that's exactly why I haven't bought any vault packs. Shame, really - I would gladly pay for syandanas/armor if they were separate.

It's only $10 more than the original accessory pack, which would be the minimal amount that they would sell it...

[ChuckMaverick]

It would be nice if there was an option to buy the pack including blueprints and parts instead of a fully built frame and weapons, even at the same price.

Sure you'd need to farm whatever flavour of unobtanium was required to craft any pieces you still needed, but you could trade the rest.

[Ailissa]

2 hours ago, (PS4)Kamranos said:

If you already have the frame and want the cosmetics...buy the pack. 

I think you missed the point entirely.

 

We're saying we're not buying the packs because we already own what is in them apart from the cosmetics.

 

2 hours ago, (PS4)Kamranos said:

 We are entitled to nothing 

We aren't saying we are, well, some of us aren't.

 

Some of us aren't even complaining.

 

We merely pointed out that we'd like the accessories but not the whole pack. If DE don't want to sell them separately that's fine, we just won't buy them. It's not a problem. 

[Extroah]

5 minutes ago, Ailissa said:

We're saying we're not buying the packs because we already own what is in them apart from the cosmetics.

Some of us aren't even complaining.

We merely pointed out that we'd like the accessories but not the whole pack. If DE don't want to sell them separately that's fine, we just won't buy them. It's not a problem. 

Exactly. I want to farm the Weapons and Frames and buy the Accessories. If they don't put out a seperate Accessory Pack then i can't buy it because it would take away the fun of farming the things myself. Yeah, i could buy it and still farm it, but why farm something i already own?

[Hesyol]

I kinda love DE, I'm ok with PA prices, I'm ok with things getting vaulted, but...

It's like a spit in the face to the community really. A lot of players already bought Frost and Ember with plat or farmed them when they could. And most of those who didn't will probably farm them. Because this game is about farming, if you buy weapons and frames then you're just losing more reasons to play. So forcing us to buy them is just ridiculous. Didn't expect such things from DE.

Anyway, good job DE! I bought almost all accessory packs this year. And I'm sure I would buy one from unvault pack. So you could get at least some money from me. But instead you'll get nothing. Great selling strategy!

[Hesyol]

18 minutes ago, Tsukinoki said:

Problem here:
The normal accessory pack is $50.  it comes with boosters, the accessories and no plat.
The prime vault costs $60.  It comes with around $60 worth of plat, the accessories, and at worst extra slots if you sell the gear.

They can't really lower the price to your "$20" and call it good.

Why? Why???! They are selling not existing virtual items. How about 30~35$? And I don't need plat or ANYTHING ELSE.

Seriously half of the problem is that I don't want to get pre-built items. I want to farm them! I play this game for farming. So if I buy them, not only do I get things I didn't ask for, it ruins the gameplay for me too

[Tsukinoki]

20 minutes ago, Hesyol said:

Why? Why???! They are selling not existing virtual items. How about 30~35$? And I don't need plat or ANYTHING ELSE.

Seriously half of the problem is that I don't want to get pre-built items. I want to farm them! I play this game for farming. So if I buy them, not only do I get things I didn't ask for, it ruins the gameplay for me too

Why?
Try looking at it from a business perspective instead of a player perspective to understand why DE doesn't do that.

Can you guarantee beyond a shadow of a doubt that 2-3x more people will buy the accessories only pack at the price point you just flippantly throw out?  If you can't then DE would just be losing money.
Can you guarantee beyond a shadow of a doubt that offering it at a lower price point wouldn't negatively affect future PA sales by having people hold off until the vault comes out that offers the accessories for a lot cheaper?  If you can't then DE would just be losing money.

Because those are some of the questions that drive why DE isn't separating out the accessories.

DE is a business.  Businesses exist to make money.
Simple fact of life.

Further:
You can buy the full packs, sell the gear, and then farm it up if you really want to go that route.

Edited December 1, 2016 by Tsukinoki

[ChuckMaverick]

< Deleted > as mods have now merged the threads, thank you!

Edited December 1, 2016 by ChuckMaverick

[(PSN)Kamranos]

38 minutes ago, Extroah said:

Exactly. I want to farm the Weapons and Frames and buy the Accessories. If they don't put out a seperate Accessory Pack then i can't buy it because it would take away the fun of farming the things myself. Yeah, i could buy it and still farm it, but why farm something i already own?

Would you be happy if they released a $59 pack with just the accessories, boosters maybe a small amount of plat? Because the only way they have ever been offered is part of a larger accessories pack where 1-2 accessories were given at a time. 

I'd be totally happy if they make an accessories only pack, thru in those other items and priced in parallel to the normal vault pack. Some, maybe not in this particular post, have been asking for outright "buy those limited Prime Accessories with plat in market" which I think defeats the purpose of promoting Prime Accessories in the first place, which is to make money so Warframe can continue. 

[Hesyol]

12 minutes ago, Tsukinoki said:

Why?
Try looking at it from a business perspective instead of a player perspective to understand why DE doesn't do that.

Can you guarantee beyond a shadow of a doubt that 2-3x more people will buy the accessories only pack at the price point you just flippantly throw out?  If you can't then DE would just be losing money.
Can you guarantee beyond a shadow of a doubt that offering it at a lower price point wouldn't negatively affect future PA sales by having people hold off until the vault comes out that offers the accessories for a lot cheaper?  If you can't then DE would just be losing money.

Because those are some of the questions that drive why DE isn't separating out the accessories.

DE is a business.  Businesses exist to make money.
Simple fact of life.

Further:
You can buy the full packs, sell the gear, and then farm it up if you really want to go that route.

I'm absolutely ok with them making money. I really want to support them. And I know DE actually listens to their playerbase. So I still can't understand why we all can't come to some agreement. Ok, maybe it's too cheap, think of something else then. How much time passe since first unvault? More then a year? I can't believe their sales department couldn't come with some ideas. And it looks like a lot of people want that. I think there are a lot of people like me who can spend money, but won't buy packs like that. So in the end that's a poor business strategy, because we spend 0$ while we could spend much more

Edited December 1, 2016 by Hesyol

[(PSN)Mofojokers]

As someone that supports DE alot to the point where i own everything in the store.

I have no issues with buying packs but not when I own most of the pack. I do hope that the accessories get split from the rest in a smaller pack.

It wouldn't be a problem if I could sell the frames and weapons to others or gift them to clan mates.

Again though they didn't care enough to do it last time, I'm not sure we can convince them this time.