[SPOILER!!] This might be what happened on Rell

[BenkerDevice]

I think there may be a explain......about this, I mean, this is what Rell saw in all those years.

What we can know from the quest:

1, Rell was awake and exposed in void for a long time, from the old wars to now

2, Rell's mind and body(as a Tenno) was almost destroyed by the void in some ways, then he abandoned his body and directly "put" his mind inside his Warframe, Harrow.

3, Rell always see "The man in the wall" with him, not as enemy but a friend.

4, The shadow named Rell we met in the quest is a kind of creature based of Rell the Tenno's twisted mind, which has same skills as Harrow and solid model.

5, Rell was on the Zariman, with other kids.

6, Seems like Rell use those chains to constraint himself and something else

As above, Rell seem like twisted, tortured by the power of the void. more over, the chained thing in the end of quest does not look like a Warframe at all.

My theory is, Warframe and Tenno are some sort of container of void energy, like a boiler, which can turn this power into other forms. Directly transform energy to substance(eg: all of Vauban and Nidus's skills), use energy to strengthen Warframe, deal damage(of course!), even making time stop and changing property of space. All these can be done by using void energy, which means the shadow Rell may be form like this. Along the quest we can find no other source of void energy except ourselves and Rell, of course we can not make a shadow Rell in any way so this must be what Rell did. 

Then, why there is a shadow Rell?

As I said, Warframes are container of void energy, what if a warframe contained too much energy even far beyond its capacity? If we consider this energy as a kind of radiation, just think of Doctor Banner, taking too much radiation and turns to something inhuman. Rell may been through something similar, which makes his warframe swelled. Rell must found this a long time ago so he chained him self.

Also, it may be the result of "cycle of transference". There must be a damage control system inside warframe to make sure operators' mind will be back into his/her body when warframes are going to be destroyed, to protect the operators' mind from death. Rell's warframe must been though something activated this and casted his mind out rather than put it back to his body(which was abandoned).Before continue we must discuss about the self consciousness of the warframe. We can learn about this must exist from the quest of Inaros and Titania and that wont be detailed in this post, if you need a proof I will leave this in reply. So, now Rell is casted out and the self consciousness of the warframe take controll, then Rell get back into warframe because he has no place to go and casts out by damage controll again, and the cycle begin. shadow Rell may be the self consciousness of the warframe from Harrow, or with some parts of Rell, as the result of this cycle.

After all this, what make you see two operators?

To get this answer, we need to know another thing first: why those people of red veil get crazy. Rell's mind was twisted by the power of void, as a Tenno which can bear transference, this may not be too serious. But, for normal people, this may even kill them. So, when those red veil solders receive message from Rell, which (almost)must be transmitted by using void energy, there may be a leak occurred. Those people's brain were affected, or damaged by this leak of energy(like put your head into a microwave oven), and we got what we saw on the ship.

Also, you received those messages with too much void energy too. Remember the time when your ship become black and red? Every time you experience how Rell lean to define feelings? That's it.

In the last fight(such hard, very Dark Soul.....), when you use your operator to free Rell from his chains, every 3 chains you break your operator will benn through a headache or something, that is caused by releasing those energy chained inside Rell's warframe, after all chains are broken, you almost take all those energy Rell took in the long awaking nightmare. So, you will see what Rell saw, you will been through what Rel had been through.

You are the inheritor of Rell

You will become Rell

And——

About the Zariman, it may not only be a ship.

Zariman carried kids. Rell was on Zariman. Rell was cast out by Margulis. The codex from Simaris shows send kids on Zariman is considered as atrocity.

Then things turn creepy: in this way, Zariman seems to be built as a exile ship for all Tennos with blemish(consider Rell's situation), a dump for imperfect weapons.

This is all I can find on current version, there must be more. Must be.

Edited July 6, 2017 by Yaerion
color change.

[SilvaDreams]

Ack, use the default text color. Many of us use the dark theme and that is unreadable.

Edit Yaerion: color changed. ;)

Edited July 6, 2017 by Yaerion
QoL

[BenkerDevice]

2 minutes ago, SilvaDreams said:

Ack, use the default text color. Many of us use the dark theme and that is unreadable.

Hmmm.......what?

I even don't know how to change text color......

this seem to be de default one

[SilvaDreams]

2 minutes ago, BenkerDevice said:

Hmmm.......what?

I even don't know how to change text color......

this seem to be de default one

Use the automatic color choice not black.

[BenkerDevice]

Just now, SilvaDreams said:

Use the automatic color choice not black.

got it.

Better now?

[kyori]

There are many points not told and deliberately left hanging for players to guess.

1- the comic didn't state if that is happening in the zariman ship or not

2- it is not stated when is the time margulis cast rell out because the comic shows the kids cast rell out and not let him escape with them. We were fed info about margulis protecting the kids so how would she cast a kid out?

3- as of point 1, if that happened in the zariman ship, then how Rell able to do transference and have a warframe?

So the comic actually created contradiction and confusion. lol

[Chromatrescu]

For me , in easy way , The Void is like an unavoidable drug , drug has symptoms , same as the Void , Rell felt into hallucination by " The Man On The Wall " ( which is the void ) .
Same for corrupted enemy , they assume that " The Man On The Wall " is their friend , but they are being controlled by them ( a little bit of resident evil 7 eh ??? ) 
For the Tenno state , it's just the time that our " Man In The Wall " will comeback and hallucinate us once more , in the mean time , let me buy a shotgun to shoot him/her if it's show up on my liset , derp .

[SurrealEdge]

4 minutes ago, kyori said:

There are many points not told and deliberately left hanging for players to guess.

1- the comic didn't state if that is happening in the zariman ship or not

2- it is not stated when is the time margulis cast rell out because the comic shows the kids cast rell out and not let him escape with them. We were fed info about margulis protecting the kids so how would she cast a kid out?

3- as of point 1, if that happened in the zariman ship, then how Rell able to do transference and have a warframe?

So the comic actually created contradiction and confusion. lol

 

If that doesn't tell you that it was the Zariman, I don't know what will.

It's assumed he was cast out after receiving a Warframe, that's how he had Harrow.

Edited July 6, 2017 by SurrealEdge

[Samotte]

I agree with your theory, but I still don't understand why Rell had to "sacrifice" himself to save other tennos; Rell had something special, and that's why he hasn't been put in sleep on lua with others, but what? and why? Maybe we'll know in another quest...

[BenkerDevice]

18 minutes ago, Samotte said:

I agree with your theory, but I still don't understand why Rell had to "sacrifice" himself to save other tennos; Rell had something special, and that's why he hasn't been put in sleep on lua with others, but what? and why? Maybe we'll know in another quest...

As I said, he was cast out, this may make Rell lost the name of Tenno so no one care about him.

And, the red veil did not have the pot for sleep that time.

[BenkerDevice]

35 minutes ago, RedTeemo said:

For me , in easy way , The Void is like an unavoidable drug , drug has symptoms , same as the Void , Rell felt into hallucination by " The Man On The Wall " ( which is the void ) .
Same for corrupted enemy , they assume that " The Man On The Wall " is their friend , but they are being controlled by them ( a little bit of resident evil 7 eh ??? ) 
For the Tenno state , it's just the time that our " Man In The Wall " will comeback and hallucinate us once more , in the mean time , let me buy a shotgun to shoot him/her if it's show up on my liset , derp .

So, you need a Tigris Prime. Only 30 plat

[BenkerDevice]

35 minutes ago, SurrealEdge said:

 

If that doesn't tell you that it was the Zariman, I don't know what will.

It's assumed he was cast out after receiving a Warframe, that's how he had Harrow.

I have a little question.....

where did you find this comic? I've been heard of this for a long time but never find it myself

[SurrealEdge]

Just now, BenkerDevice said:

I have a little question.....

where did you find this comic? I've been heard of this for a long time but never find it myself

https://www.warframe.com/chains-of-harrow

The main site. Click on the comic that shows up in the upper right of the page, also I suggest having the browser set to 75% zoom to view the full comic as it does get cut off a bit when viewed at full.

[BenkerDevice]

Just now, SurrealEdge said:

https://www.warframe.com/chains-of-harrow

The main site. Click on the comic that shows up in the upper right of the page, also I suggest having the browser set to 75% zoom to view the full comic as it does get cut off a bit when viewed at full.

I.....I must be blind.....

Thx

[SurrealEdge]

2 minutes ago, BenkerDevice said:

I.....I must be blind.....

Thx

They do something like this with every major update. There's even one for Octavia that introduced the comics: https://www.warframe.com/octavias-anthem

[BenkerDevice]

Just now, SurrealEdge said:

They do something like this with every major update. There's even one for Octavia that introduced the comics: https://www.warframe.com/octavias-anthem

I'm just digging something about Octavia, this will help much.......

Thx again

[Xaero]

1 minute ago, BenkerDevice said:

I have a little question.....

where did you find this comic? I've been heard of this for a long time but never find it myself

https://www.warframe.com/chains-of-harrow

Right upper end of page.

[BenkerDevice]

1 minute ago, Ksaero said:

https://www.warframe.com/chains-of-harrow

Right upper end of page.

I've got it but still thx

[Samotte]

37 minutes ago, BenkerDevice said:

As I said, he was cast out, this may make Rell lost the name of Tenno so no one care about him.

hmm... This is not the kind of Margulis, we was told that she wanted to protect every tenno, are we sure that Margulis casted him out?

[BenkerDevice]

1 minute ago, Samotte said:

hmm... This is not the kind of Margulis, we was told that she wanted to protect every tenno, are we sure that Margulis casted him out?

yes, that was told in the new quest by the leader of Red Veil.

I worn out my print screen button so I get all what they said.

But.....don't know how to up load it here

[Mover-NeRo]

TBH I would really like if DE could release some sort of book that would really describe what is going on... all what we have are scraps and theories.

I know its part of the story telling but it seems so fractured to me that it can change anytime with one information and all that we know will be proven wrong.

If someone ask me what is Warframe story about I truly cant answer that ... its frustrating.

 

Edit: Maybe some sort of episodes that sump all we know so far.... 

Edited July 6, 2017 by Mover-NeRo

[Samotte]

2 minutes ago, BenkerDevice said:

yes, that was told in the new quest by the leader of Red Veil.

I worn out my print screen button so I get all what they said.

But.....don't know how to up load it here

Indeed, I just saw (on the wiki page of Rell) that Orokin judged that he was not able to fight like other tennos, the in fact he was unable to go in cryosleep with other tennos on lua; but still there is a point I don't get, if Rell was "crazy", why the red veil done some rituals around him;

 

3 minutes ago, Mover-NeRo said:

TBH I would really like if DE could release some sort of book that would really describe what is going on... all what we have are scraps and theories.

I know its part of the story telling but it seems so fractured to me that it can change anytime with one information and all that we know will be proven wrong.

If someone ask me what is Warframe story about I truly cant answer that ... its frustrating.

In my dreams, they're writing a book, I hope that they write a good book one day :p

[SurrealEdge]

19 minutes ago, BenkerDevice said:

yes, that was told in the new quest by the leader of Red Veil.

Just to clarify, Palladino is a spiritual medium for the group. The presumed leader of the Red Veil is standing in the relay always.

Edited July 6, 2017 by SurrealEdge

[BenkerDevice]

10 minutes ago, Mover-NeRo said:

TBH I would really like if DE could release some sort of book that would really describe what is going on... all what we have are scraps and theories.

I know its part of the story telling but it seems so fractured to me that it can change anytime with one information and all that we know will be proven wrong.

If someone ask me what is Warframe story about I truly cant answer that ... its frustrating.

 

Edit: Maybe some sort of episodes that sump all we know so far.... 

I always love digging through those scraps of messages and all we can find in the game to get further details about the background of this game.

Just like Dark Soul, without any describe but you can see a such big world behind every letter.

6 minutes ago, Samotte said:

Indeed, I just saw (on the wiki page of Rell) that Orokin judged that he was not able to fight like other tennos, the in fact he was unable to go in cryosleep with other tennos on lua; but still there is a point I don't get, if Rell was "crazy", why the red veil done some rituals around him;

 

In my dreams, they're writing a book, I hope that they write a good book one day :p

Gonna check wiki again....last time I did not see the Rell part(or I'm really blind)

Rell seem to have the ability to fight and do easily killed my Inaros while I was making screen shots. That was 4180 HP and 720 armor, the shadow Rell but my Inaros in coffin within 10s........

about the book, may be one day Rebecca will tell us they did not think about that much background stories, all these we want to know may not even exist.(with a wicked smile of Hidetaka Miyazaki)

[BenkerDevice]

5 minutes ago, SurrealEdge said:

Just to clarify, Palladino is a spiritual medium for the group. The presumed leader of the Red Veil is standing in the relay always.

Ouch....I just forgot that long weird name so I used "leader". That was a wrong choice...