Could Ballas have been talking to Margulis again?

[(XBOX)YoungGunn82]

"All miracles require sacrifice. For their life, yours". 

Just had an epiphany,  Ballas could have been talking to Margulis again?! Just make so much sense, doesn't it?! 

Also still trying to figure out how Umbra fits in the equation? Maybe Ballas's body guard, free of control?

Edited September 13, 2017 by (XB1)FCastle74

[Hemmo67]

makes more sense if he is talking to dax candidate/true dax guardian about transferring his mind to a warframe

[KelsierSurvivor]

I have thought about that myself for quite a while... many times too. I am a little confused on how this whole thing works though. When I first entered Warframe around a year and a quarter ago, the most recent Prime was Nekros Prime. I didn't see any trailers for Primes until Oberon. I stumbled across it one day when I was considering buying the Prime Access. So I don't know anything Ballas says in these trailers for Primes (And now Umbras apparently...). I wish I did. Maybe I'll look up some of their trailers on YouTube at some point? 

But with this Sacrifice trailer, I have been sent into long trains of thought while trying to go to sleep. I have heard from almost all sources that it is indeed Ballas speaking in these trailers. But I didn't know that he was talking to Margulis in most of them. I don't see why this wouldn't be the case... We heard him talking to her in the Second Dream in some form of memory or recording. And considering this trailer took place on Lua, I don't see why this wouldn't be the case. 

Either way, I am highly intrigued about this subject. It does make sense, yes. 

"If you could trade... Would you? Surely... But all miracles require sacrifice... For their life... Yours."

[aligatorno]

I might misremember, but weren't Orokin executions performed through vaporizing the target? 

[(XBOX)YoungGunn82]

4 minutes ago, KelsierSurvivor said:

"If you could trade... Would you? Surely... But all miracles require sacrifice... For their life... Yours."

Was also thinking the "life support we hear could Margulis's and Ballas could be just talking to her!?

 

2 minutes ago, aligatorno said:

I might misremember, but weren't Orokin executions performed through vaporizing the target? 

Please explain more?

[aligatorno]

8 minutes ago, (Xbox One)FCastle74 said:

r!?

 

Please explain more?

"They opened the chamber door just in time for me to see it happen; the Archimedian erupting into a flash, jade-like and blinding. I knew her. She was the greatest scholar of genetics who ever lived. Except now she was nothing but mist and gore."

Quote from the Detron Crewman's synthesis. It was an execution, most likely it was Margulis's. 

 

Here is the whole thing, this is right from the beginning, the rest is about a trial regarding Sentients. 

Spoiler

They opened the chamber door just in time for me to see it happen; the Archimedian erupting into a flash, jade-like and blinding. I knew her. She was the greatest scholar of genetics who ever lived. Except now she was nothing but mist and gore.

A voice boomed from within, “The Crewmen project is cancelled. Send in the next.”

The rifles at my back tried to urge me inside. Old faces filled the dome’s projections, immense and god-like. I walked into the center of the room and the scorched scent choked my lungs. All around me they watched, bored, as I knelt upon the darkened judgement disc.

The projection of Executor Ballas swelled large in front of me. I could see his purity, his symmetry, the beauty of his glittering gold irises. His voice thundered, “The principles are clear. Your sentence is death. May the Void forgive you.”

As the judgement disc began to light I stood, took a deep breath and spoke, “She will not forgive you.”

Laughter broke out among the faces of the dome. Other’s asked “what did he say?” Ballas only smiled, “You challenge us, Archimedian?”

“I do. Kill me and the Empire you are sworn to uphold dies with me.”

Ballas turned his head as the judgement disc went suddenly dark, “An appeal comes at a price. Should you fail, you and your corpus will pay dearly.”

“They already suffer in this growing wasteland. They have already paid. Will you also sacrifice the royal futures by ignoring my solution?”

“Your solution is an abomination, like you, it will be annihilated.” Ballas motioned to a guard in the corner, “Present the evidence.”

The chamber doors opened and a mass of guards entered, guns trained inward. As they reached the center, they parted, revealing a small cart. Atop the cart was a motionless creature, no larger than a hand. Its body was symmetrical, star-shaped with a seamless, matte-black shell.

A new projection, that of Executor Tuvul ballooned into the space, “It looks harmless.”

“Harmless?” Ballas boomed in Tuvul’s direction. He turned to the center of the dome, “Show them.”

On command, the guards backed away from the cart and readied their weapons. Their leader took careful aim and fired a whisper round into the body of my creation. Two of the limbs tore off the frame revealing a glossy, gelatinous interior.

Silence gripped the dome as Tuvul shook his head. Then suddenly, the creature moved, convulsed, the hard surface started undulating. In a moment the wound closed and the thing was whole again. Beside it another machine had grown from its severed parts. Their surfaces had changed however - brighter, harder, resilient to whisper rounds now.

Ballas looked triumphant as voting lights began to appear on the judgement disc.

My green death was coming, so I roared at them, “Did our ancestors, burned by fire, reject its power? No. They conquered their fear and learned to control it. The Seven Principles are a joke.”

His projection swooped down to me, “The Orokin is the law and the law is the Orokin. We are unbending. Your appeal is denied.”

Tuvul interrupted, “Our laws are sacred but do not forget The Plan, Ballas.” His visage turned down to me, “Countless other ventures have failed The Plan, how will this machine fulfill its design?”

I tried to catch my breath and speak, “The crossing to the Tau system is perilous. Adaptation and replication are the only way a terraforming journey can be made. They will build an interstellar rail as they travel, they will adapt to the host planet and prepare it for our arrival. They will save you.”

Tuvul peered down at me, “And when it completes its task, what will prevent it from turning against us, as the Seven Principles say?”

“The flaw.”

Tuvul’s eyes narrowed, “The flaw?”

“The Void is poison to them. Once they have reached Tau they will be marooned there. To travel the rail here would destroy them. Whatever the risks, the Origin system will be-”

Ballas shouted, “Enough! Dereliction of the law threatens the entire empire. Which one of you will risk this?” Ballas was growing increasingly frustrated.

“The empire is already at risk,” cried the shrill voice of another Executor, “Or perhaps you haven’t noticed from your cozy position on Mars.” To this there was a round of applause and the judgement disk remained unchanged.

“Ballas, you lack consensus.” shouted Executor Tuvul.

His projection seemed to shrink smaller until he finally broke his silence, “Archimedian Perintol, against my better judgement,” his disgust was palpable, “Your appeal has been accepted. You are free to go.”

One by one the projections of each Executor in the Tribunal flickered off and the guards ushered me into the hall. There I stood, rapt with shock when I heard his footsteps behind me.

“You did better than I thought you would,” it was Ballas, the man, not the projection. “It would seem nobody truly knows they want a thing until you threaten to take it away.” He broke into a smile, “Wouldn’t you agree, Archimedian?”

 

Edited September 13, 2017 by aligatorno

[(XBOX)YoungGunn82]

25 minutes ago, aligatorno said:

"They opened the chamber door just in time for me to see it happen; the Archimedian erupting into a flash, jade-like and blinding. I knew her. She was the greatest scholar of genetics who ever lived. Except now she was nothing but mist and gore."

Quote from the Detron Crewman's synthesis. It was an execution, most likely it was Margulis's. 

 

Here is the whole thing, this is right from the beginning, the rest is about a trial regarding Sentients. 

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They opened the chamber door just in time for me to see it happen; the Archimedian erupting into a flash, jade-like and blinding. I knew her. She was the greatest scholar of genetics who ever lived. Except now she was nothing but mist and gore.

A voice boomed from within, “The Crewmen project is cancelled. Send in the next.”

The rifles at my back tried to urge me inside. Old faces filled the dome’s projections, immense and god-like. I walked into the center of the room and the scorched scent choked my lungs. All around me they watched, bored, as I knelt upon the darkened judgement disc.

The projection of Executor Ballas swelled large in front of me. I could see his purity, his symmetry, the beauty of his glittering gold irises. His voice thundered, “The principles are clear. Your sentence is death. May the Void forgive you.”

As the judgement disc began to light I stood, took a deep breath and spoke, “She will not forgive you.”

Laughter broke out among the faces of the dome. Other’s asked “what did he say?” Ballas only smiled, “You challenge us, Archimedian?”

“I do. Kill me and the Empire you are sworn to uphold dies with me.”

Ballas turned his head as the judgement disc went suddenly dark, “An appeal comes at a price. Should you fail, you and your corpus will pay dearly.”

“They already suffer in this growing wasteland. They have already paid. Will you also sacrifice the royal futures by ignoring my solution?”

“Your solution is an abomination, like you, it will be annihilated.” Ballas motioned to a guard in the corner, “Present the evidence.”

The chamber doors opened and a mass of guards entered, guns trained inward. As they reached the center, they parted, revealing a small cart. Atop the cart was a motionless creature, no larger than a hand. Its body was symmetrical, star-shaped with a seamless, matte-black shell.

A new projection, that of Executor Tuvul ballooned into the space, “It looks harmless.”

“Harmless?” Ballas boomed in Tuvul’s direction. He turned to the center of the dome, “Show them.”

On command, the guards backed away from the cart and readied their weapons. Their leader took careful aim and fired a whisper round into the body of my creation. Two of the limbs tore off the frame revealing a glossy, gelatinous interior.

Silence gripped the dome as Tuvul shook his head. Then suddenly, the creature moved, convulsed, the hard surface started undulating. In a moment the wound closed and the thing was whole again. Beside it another machine had grown from its severed parts. Their surfaces had changed however - brighter, harder, resilient to whisper rounds now.

Ballas looked triumphant as voting lights began to appear on the judgement disc.

My green death was coming, so I roared at them, “Did our ancestors, burned by fire, reject its power? No. They conquered their fear and learned to control it. The Seven Principles are a joke.”

His projection swooped down to me, “The Orokin is the law and the law is the Orokin. We are unbending. Your appeal is denied.”

Tuvul interrupted, “Our laws are sacred but do not forget The Plan, Ballas.” His visage turned down to me, “Countless other ventures have failed The Plan, how will this machine fulfill its design?”

I tried to catch my breath and speak, “The crossing to the Tau system is perilous. Adaptation and replication are the only way a terraforming journey can be made. They will build an interstellar rail as they travel, they will adapt to the host planet and prepare it for our arrival. They will save you.”

Tuvul peered down at me, “And when it completes its task, what will prevent it from turning against us, as the Seven Principles say?”

“The flaw.”

Tuvul’s eyes narrowed, “The flaw?”

“The Void is poison to them. Once they have reached Tau they will be marooned there. To travel the rail here would destroy them. Whatever the risks, the Origin system will be-”

Ballas shouted, “Enough! Dereliction of the law threatens the entire empire. Which one of you will risk this?” Ballas was growing increasingly frustrated.

“The empire is already at risk,” cried the shrill voice of another Executor, “Or perhaps you haven’t noticed from your cozy position on Mars.” To this there was a round of applause and the judgement disk remained unchanged.

“Ballas, you lack consensus.” shouted Executor Tuvul.

His projection seemed to shrink smaller until he finally broke his silence, “Archimedian Perintol, against my better judgement,” his disgust was palpable, “Your appeal has been accepted. You are free to go.”

One by one the projections of each Executor in the Tribunal flickered off and the guards ushered me into the hall. There I stood, rapt with shock when I heard his footsteps behind me.

“You did better than I thought you would,” it was Ballas, the man, not the projection. “It would seem nobody truly knows they want a thing until you threaten to take it away.” He broke into a smile, “Wouldn’t you agree, Archimedian?”

 

Hmm. Gonna need to read this a few times. 

[UltimateSpinDash]

Yes. I'm 99% certain Ballas is talking to Margulis prior to her execution, leading me to believe the Sacrifice Quest will be about Margulis' sacrifice for the Tenno.

[KelsierSurvivor]

50 minutes ago, UltimateSpinDash said:

Yes. I'm 99% certain Ballas is talking to Margulis prior to her execution, leading me to believe the Sacrifice Quest will be about Margulis' sacrifice for the Tenno.

That would be interesting lore... I love Warframe's lore, but I primarily enjoy the Pre-Awakening History. That's where most of it comes from, but if I'm talking about which time period I like most, it'd probably be the Orokin Empire before the Old War. But the Old War still sounds interesting considering what we know already.

[-Kyle-]

20 hours ago, UltimateSpinDash said:

Yes. I'm 99% certain Ballas is talking to Margulis prior to her execution, leading me to believe the Sacrifice Quest will be about Margulis' sacrifice for the Tenno.

I don't know, this cinematic quest is about the Warframes nature, we'll know about the creation, the beginning of everything, so Ballas is probably talking to someone when they started the development of the Warframe. All de science behind, maybe sacrificing a dax/tenno/anyone to give life to a new Warframe, or they're talking about the Umbra, specically.

[Kaotyke]

I very much doubt it.

All the lines of The Second Dream, his words to make Margulis stop helping the Tenno, he then he goes "Sure, surrender your life, and they will be safe."?

Doesnt make heads or tails to me.

[UltimateSpinDash]

1 hour ago, -Kyle- said:

I don't know, this cinematic quest is about the Warframes nature, we'll know about the creation, the beginning of everything, so Ballas is probably talking to someone when they started the development of the Warframe. All de science behind, maybe sacrificing a dax/tenno/anyone to give life to a new Warframe, or they're talking about the Umbra, specically.

Margulis' research was no doubt critical to the creation of the Warframes. She knew that the Tenno could control their powers more easily while dreaming, and the idea to create surrogate bodies for the Tenno was hers. Ballas just finished her work.

37 minutes ago, Kaotyke said:

I very much doubt it.

All the lines of The Second Dream, his words to make Margulis stop helping the Tenno, he then he goes "Sure, surrender your life, and they will be safe."?

Doesnt make heads or tails to me.

Ballas wanted Margulis to stop helping the Tenno so she could avoid execution. He loved her, after all (personally, I think he considered her an intellectual equal, and he himself appeared to be ahead of the other Orokin, as implied in the Prime Access Trailers). He may have changed his mind when he saw that she was willing to die for the Tenno, and then the Sentient threat emerged.