Warframe Concept: Copy Cat

[(PSN)Shinzo-Miramoto]

So after having read several threads about being able to build your own frame and blah blah blah. I had a thought......

 

Copy Cat

Passive: Photo Copy

Allows Copy Cat to use the abilities of other warframes that have been maxed by the player.

Just like in real life when you make a photo copy of something it doesn't turn out as good as the original so any abilities that Copy Cat uses would have to be scaled down so they were not as powerful as the original. You would be able to choose from any abilities of frames that you have personally maxed out and are in possession of. This would encourage the use of other frames and limit the selection of abilities to chose from. The Tenno would have to set up the abilities when they set they're load out. 

Augment: Carbon Copy

Removes the negative effect making the abilities just as good as the originals

Dojo Training Kiosk:

Here the Tenno would be able to buy abilities of frames that they have maxed and gotten rid of for a cost.(Platinum out right/massive credit cost plus some kind of qualifying exam to prove worthy of the ability)

On top of all that once the abilities are set up....let's say three load outs worth.....there would be a cost again massive credits to change any abilities of that load out. Kind of like a respecing cost. Again just an idea and any feedback on how to make this frame better please let me know.

[Spartan336]

Let me just like this OP little thing...

Overall pretty cool. If anything, I'd like a little more elaboration. Don't know exactly how this would fair in-game besides it wrecking shop though. 

[(PSN)Shinzo-Miramoto]

what needs elaborating? I'm not sure how to make the cost of the abilities so that it is obtainable but not too easy. There needs to be some kind of balance there, that much I know. Open to suggestions for any and everything. little tweeks here and there any constructive critism is welcome. I have posted another concept in here as well that probably needs some tweeking also. Link below

 

https://forums.warframe.com/topic/849386-nemean/?tab=comments#comment-9015485

 

[Birdframe_Prime]

While it's a great concept, it's also something that players have been asking for in other ways for a while; the ability to mix-and-match abilities on frames.

The problem is simply that this would end up in incredibly OP builds. Imagine a frame with Peacemaker, Desecrate, Iron Skin and Hall of Mirrors, just off the top of my head there... The ability for massive radial damage, complete damage mitigation instead of partial, extra damage from clones, and the self-sustain of generating extra loot and health from kills.

There's the simple reason that DE haven't done this already.

There also happens to be a lore reason, too, and a game design reason. The lore is that it's the shape of the warframes that defines their abilities, they are basically lenses to shape Void energy into more specific uses, such as generating movement in molecules to create wind or heat. You can't take on another warframe's abilities without being the same shape as that warframe, which is why, despite Chroma needing parts from Volt, Saryn, Ember and Frost to craft his parts, the results are still Chroma's own powers.

The game design one is the third side. You have to think of Warframes as builds, like for gear at the endgame of a regular RPG. So where you would level up your player-character, spec into skill trees and eventually build your character into a melee tank or a ranged rogue in another RPG, in Warframe you're given those builds right from the start. You don't even discover the 'player character' and the skill trees you can invest in until you reach The Second Dream, much less actually make use of them until after The War Within (with probably an equal amount of growth in that player character after The Sacrifice quest which is the next in the story).

Warframe is the reverse RPG method, as it were, and Warframes are the endgame builds for your character, ones you can freely switch between, but are all specialised for a task. Whether that's stealth, tanking, healing, DPS, casting, hybrids of any of them... they are the end result of any other RPG's tech tree specialisation.

If we were able to freely switch powers out for another, that would negate the specialisation. Negate the limitations that are intentionally put on a warframe by being specialised.

So yeah, in order of importance from most important to least important:

1. The absolute, unmitigated, incredible potential for overpowering
2. The Lore
3. The game's designed limitations

Does that make sense?

[krc473]

On 10/23/2017 at 5:20 PM, (PS4)Shinzo-Miramoto said:

Allows Copy Cat to use the abilities of other warframes that have been maxed by the player.

I strongly dislike the idea of introducing something like this.

I will never find this concept appealing. I like that we need different frames for different things.

 

No, this concept is not novel. I have maxed every frame but Gara, so would get all the abilities. Why would I use any frame but the mimic one?

 

[(PSN)Shinzo-Miramoto]

15 hours ago, krc473 said:

I strongly dislike the idea of introducing something like this.

I will never find this concept appealing. I like that we need different frames for different things.

 

No, this concept is not novel. I have maxed every frame but Gara, so would get all the abilities. Why would I use any frame but the mimic one?

 

If you don't like this idea that's fine everyone is entitled to their opinion. I did put up another concept. Check it out and let me know what you think. Link below...

https://forums.warframe.com/topic/849386-nemean/?tab=comments#comment-9015485

 

[krc473]

1 minute ago, (PS4)Shinzo-Miramoto said:

If you don't like this idea that's fine everyone is entitled to their opinion. I did put up another concept. Check it out and let me know what you think. Link below...

https://forums.warframe.com/topic/849386-nemean/?tab=comments#comment-9015485

 

That other concept is a much better one. It would need a little refinement, but hey, it’s a concept so does not need to be perfect.