AlphaSierraMike Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 (edited) It would be nice to convert 8 Forma into a Catalyst or Reactor using like a blueprint or something. They're pretty much functionally identical.... Assuming every slot has no polarity, every slot formaed with the appropriate polarity pretty much halves the amount of mod points used, besides the odd number mod points, so in a way, doubling capacity. It'll be a nice way to burn some forma as well. While I'm at it, it would also be nice if we could convert Catalyst to Reactor, and vice versa, at a cost of... maybe a forma? I dunno. Edit: Just for clarification, I'm not saying they should replace the Catalyst/Reactor in Market with this. This is simply for people that, as many have experience this past few weeks, have way too many forma to even use logically. I personally have burned 70+ forma on weapons that I've barely used. 8 Forma is just maximum amount that I personally would accept. I don't mind it being lower than that. No, if you have plat to spend on a Catalyst/Reactor, then buy the god damn Catalyst/Reactor, not the 8 Forma. Seriously that's like asking whether I should by a hammer, or a tree and some iron ore, when at the end, I want a bloody hammer. Edited July 15, 2015 by AlphaSierraMike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdrianLeonhardt99 Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 8 forma? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epicagemo Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 What about innate polarities like dread, soma, etc.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)KaiAsakura15 Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 I wouldn't mind being able to convert resources into another one, only if it made sense though like Organic into something organic and the like Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACorpse Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 It'd be nice to have another use for Forma, but I wouldn't want DE to undercut what is probably a small but measurable plat sink (buying potatoes). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)Brennon Cook Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 So if I buy 8 forma for 160 platinum I can trade those for a reactor? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UndeadGhostWarrior Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 U mean forma bps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DietEbolaCola Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 Make it 100 Forma. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACorpse Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 So if I buy 8 forma for 160 platinum I can trade those for a reactor? I presume he's wanting a use for formas we already have. I know I have ~50 built ones and nearly a hundred blueprints gathering dust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Camelslayer Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 8 Forma to 1 potato is a giant rip-off, honestly. Wouldn't be worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Shemxy_Sloth Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 8 forma is way more valuable than 1 potato, I think if you wanted more potatoes they should just have more gifts of the lotus and making them more accessible overall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aggh Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 (edited) 8 Forma to 1 potato is a giant rip-off, honestly. Wouldn't be worth it. Not really. Forma are so obnoxiously easy to get in the void and plenty of people have piles of them in their inventory. There'd be a massive down turn in tater purchases from most higher mastery rank players if DE allowed this kind of conversion. Edited July 14, 2015 by Aggh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davoodoo Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 (edited) Tbh if de asks for 1.3$ on both forma and potatoes, it should be 1 for 1 exchange. Too easy you say?? im pretty sure it would still have crafting timer and resource attached to it. Edited July 15, 2015 by Davoodoo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphaSierraMike Posted July 15, 2015 Author Share Posted July 15, 2015 Added some clarifications in the main post... I guess I wasn't on the same wavelength as others. Also, this is not something that needs to be accessible for everyone. It's meant for people that have way too many Forma stockpiled like unused resources. Of course someone that has little to no forma shouldn't use this feature, they just have to go with the old method of waiting for alerts/invasions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ve1indian Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 8 Forma to 1 Reactor/Catylist makes sense since forma halves the cost (rounded up though T-T) of each matching slot you polarize, and potatoes double the capacity. If they were to introduce alternate crafting materials to a seperate blueprint for potatoes, this could work. Assuming DE are willing to lose some profits from people who buy potatoes, due to their being no way to grind for them currently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ninja-Kid Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 Assuming DE are willing to lose some profits from people who buy potatoes, due to their being no way to grind for them currently. It's just common sense to know that any suggestion based on the willingness of a corporation to lose money will end in disappointment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphaSierraMike Posted July 15, 2015 Author Share Posted July 15, 2015 It's just common sense to know that any suggestion based on the willingness of a corporation to lose money will end in disappointment. DE doesn't make money from people using plat, they make money from people buying plat. If the plat is already in the system, whether someone spends it or not doesn't make a difference. At the same time, someone who doesn't buy plat is still able to buy Catalysts/Reactors if they trade prime parts with other players, and in that case, the plat was brought by the buyer for trading. The money has already been deposited into DE's pockets, it doesn't matter where it goes. So in a way, the act of Potato purchases and even trading between players in the market aren't directly aiding DE's income. It's that need for a shortcut that makes people buy plat. If people don't want to farm for prime parts or syndicate stuff, they'll buy plat to trade with others. If people don't want to farm prime parts and sell them to other players for plat, they'll buy plat. If people don't want spend a week to gather 8 forma BP, wait 9 days to make 8 formas and combine them into a Potato, which the BP might cost like 100k credit, they're still going to buy plat and spend it on a Potato. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ninja-Kid Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 Anything that's easier to get, drops in value. Those who buy potatoes are people who are unwilling to wait for 1 month for a potato to become available in an alert. Your suggestion is to drop that wait time to 2 weeks (time cost of materials included). So then, only the people who are unwilling to wait 2 weeks will buy potatoes. See the drop in demand? The economics of this game is based on the time vs. money decision. Your issue stems from the fact that you are unwilling to wait, yet also unwilling to spend. There is no hope when you reject the foundation that this game os built on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ve1indian Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 (edited) DE doesn't make money from people using plat, they make money from people buying plat. If the plat is already in the system, whether someone spends it or not doesn't make a difference. At the same time, someone who doesn't buy plat is still able to buy Catalysts/Reactors if they trade prime parts with other players, and in that case, the plat was brought by the buyer for trading. The money has already been deposited into DE's pockets, it doesn't matter where it goes. The the more people that trade the more plat gets added to the trading scene, thus DE is still making money regardless if players get it from trading or buying it straight from the market. They already made the money regardless if the plat was spent, I can agree with that, but they still technically make money off of potatoes (and basically everything involving plat) because the people who buy the potatoes (or anything) have to get the plat from somewhere. One example is this creating a demand of platinum for the potato buyer, making them get it from a source whom's profit goes to DE by someone buying plat in the first place. Edited July 15, 2015 by Vougue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aggh Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 (edited) DE doesn't make money from people using plat, they make money from people buying plat. If the plat is already in the system, whether someone spends it or not doesn't make a difference. At the same time, someone who doesn't buy plat is still able to buy Catalysts/Reactors if they trade prime parts with other players, and in that case, the plat was brought by the buyer for trading. The money has already been deposited into DE's pockets, it doesn't matter where it goes. So in a way, the act of Potato purchases and even trading between players in the market aren't directly aiding DE's income. It's that need for a shortcut that makes people buy plat. If people don't want to farm for prime parts or syndicate stuff, they'll buy plat to trade with others. If people don't want to farm prime parts and sell them to other players for plat, they'll buy plat. If people don't want spend a week to gather 8 forma BP, wait 9 days to make 8 formas and combine them into a Potato, which the BP might cost like 100k credit, they're still going to buy plat and spend it on a Potato. Plats value to customers is based on the fact that only certain items can be bought with it. When people spend plat, they maintain that value and keep plat's value from getting diluted. Consequently, people spending plat does contribute to DE making money. Allowing people to trade forma for taters would deal a pretty sizable blow to Plat's perceived purchasing power and thus would lead to a lesser amount of money being spent on plat overall. Also, plenty of people have forma stockpiled and already built, and even more people have a massive pile forma BPs (I've got 92 and that's on the low side compared to a lot of people). They aren't so hard to farm that it'd take a week to farm 8 forma BPs. 100k credits isn't exactly that much either. That's 20 minutes on sechura/seimeni. Edited July 15, 2015 by Aggh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QueQool Posted July 16, 2015 Share Posted July 16, 2015 Maybe 8 formas blueprins not a full formas because it would took too much time and rescouses morphics(8),neurodes(8),cells(8),neural sensors(8) 24*8=192h(8days) Just for one reactor/catalist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Camelslayer Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 (edited) Not really. Forma are so obnoxiously easy to get in the void and plenty of people have piles of them in their inventory. There'd be a massive down turn in tater purchases from most higher mastery rank players if DE allowed this kind of conversion. If they're built, maybe. Aside from that, that's literally using 280,000 Credits, 8 Orokin Cells, and waiting literally over a week for a single potato. I can't see that as anything other than a waste when I could wait probably the same amount of time for a blueprint to go on Alert and use a fraction of the resources to build it. I have piles of Forma..................... blueprints. I build them when I need them. So maybe that's just my methodology talking. Edited July 17, 2015 by Camelslayer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChloeSakuna Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 (edited) MAYBE WE SHOULD HAVE MEGA FORMA SO WE CAN STACK OUR FORMA, AND SO THAT WE CAN PUT ALL OF THE POLARITIES ON AND HAVE VARIETY WITH OUR BUILDS. But that's never going to happen. : / Edited July 17, 2015 by ChloeSakuna Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aggh Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 (edited) If they're built, maybe. Aside from that, that's literally using 280,000 Credits, 8 Orokin Cells, and waiting literally over a week for a single potato. I can't see that as anything other than a waste when I could wait probably the same amount of time for a blueprint to go on Alert and use a fraction of the resources to build it. I have piles of Forma..................... blueprints. I build them when I need them. So maybe that's just my methodology talking. 280k credits and 8 orokin cells are a drop in the bucket for most late game players who are spending millions of credits to level up mods and have piles of resources they're not spending. Especially if it means a guaranteed potato every 8-9 days. Edited July 17, 2015 by Aggh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crewell Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 (edited) Ive potatoed all my frames and most of my weapons at MR19. There is nothing weong with the current system. DE tosses enough oportunities for Catalyst BPs and Reactor BPs. It also isn't hard to buy the potato. 20 plat isn't to hard to come by in trades. Buying one Prime Access to the second level will give most frugal players more plat than they know what to do with. We do not need the ability to convert resources. Now I wouldn't complain if DE added Catalyst and Reactor BPs to several void loot tables as a very rare chance. Edited July 17, 2015 by Crewell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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