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Yeah, i think the take is just hypocritical since it takes property of neutral opinions and moves them towards one side nonetheless to claim that there's a majority supporting it while dismissing the actual meaning of those neutral opinions. Talking about an "even split" would make more sense, and that would still be a stretch since one could argue that -after removing the neutral opinions- there's still more than enough to call simple majority (50% +1 of votes validly stating an opinion) for one side.

The underlined part is an awful take and entirely made up. People without an opinion on something, anything, are counted as a different group since "don't care" is still an opinion. They just play the game and don't push towards either direction so by counting them on any of the other groups you're just shoving down your own opinion on them which is just nonsense. (Ye, i see no reason to read the comment past that particular point)

I'm on the same position so yes, i believe you just like i'd be all in for a toggle that gives more customization even if skirts and the likes were moved to the auxiliary slot instead in order to avoid adding once more button to the UI.

Even better, give us a toggle for pretty much any frame with a skirt-like part as well such as Saryn (Prime), Yareli, Trinity (her prime's lobster tail,) etc. i think you get the idea (And yes, fooling around with warframe's 3d models turns out these are already a separate mesh so all that would be needed is an in-game way to toggle them on-off) Edit: may want to do the thread in Art & Animation feedback instead of General Discussion.

DE should do things to encourage conclave gameplay, not ways to make it even more irrelevant than it is now. This is all a blatant lie. Players can host servers but have no way to kick anyone joining to it.

Thanks for pointing this. As a non-native english speaker, there's always a chance i'm not using the right choice of words or may also misread what others write. Throwing accusations of poor reading comprehension adds nothing to discussion and only make the debate seem more hostile when it shouldn't. It's fine, no worries. Sorry to have thrown those accusations back instead of focusing only on clarifying my point. Hope your day gets better as time goes on.

I know there's some exceptions, but i'm sure anyone who sees a founder and/or CB player it's easy to think they've been around consistently, even if only coming back to get content from new updates. It may not have been the best choice of words to say that they can prove to have been around all the time, but instead should have said that those are accounts legit from 10 years ago and some more. The value is subjective indeed, so anyone who has been buying prime accessories consistently through these 10 years gets none from it, the value remains null if the player keeps buying new ones as well and perhaps may skip any accessories because of not liking its design... In which case they'd have to wait a few years for its resurgence and still are unlikely to buy it. I can see how someone who -hypothetically- may have made an account on Dec 26, liked the game and spent christmas money on heirloom bundles can get full value from it, even more keeping in mind that Mag and Frost Prime resurged for the whole time the packs were available so new players could use their recently bought skins. And it's nice. Just kinda sucks when they advertise the whole year as an event to celebrate players and once the big day arrives, they reveal that what's probably the best thing from the anniversary (Heirloom skins and signas) is also a real money exclusive which can only be obtained bundled with possibly unwanted stuff to inflate pack prices. The accolade is a small thing which could have been given for free; hell you can be sure it wouldn't even be part of the discussion if DE had made a "10 years supporter" accolade for those who bought the bundles and something different for those who were there during the celebration but didn't buy the packs for wharever reason. And yet despite all the fuss that has been made over founder stuff for the last 10 years, DE decides to make practically the same thing again. At least unlike founder gear it's just cosmetics now but it still doesn't help to get rid of that feel of missing out on nice things despite being there playing and supporting warframe the whole time which, once again, makes it seem like there are first and second class supporters for DE. Iirc, even Reb mentioned to have lamented on how the Heirloom thing turned out and its poor reception amongst the playerbase, yet still DE didn't do anything to improve it in the line players expected which in the end left that as just empty words used for damage control. I'd have bought the skins for myself as well, but the thing is, i'm not gonna support predatory practices, even less when these come from a company that built its reputation on having one of the most player friendly free to play business models.

Exactly Becauae both groups are players who can prove they've been around for 10 years: -Founders with their exclusive gear, sigils, profile picture and accolade. -CBT players with their accolade (nonidea if they were given anything else later once lato and braton vandal were released for everyone) That's entirely your interpretation due to the reason listed above. The point is, they could have done an accolade that every player can get to show in profile. They aren't shy to boast player count saying stuff like "Warframe has millions of registered losers" but suddenly they decide to make a 10 years event to celebrate players... But only the ones who spend money on packs with a bloated price from bundling with unwanted stuff (like regal aya) end up having something to say "i've been here for 10 years) even if they made an account on Dec 30 2023 and bought the bundles while everyone else is left with pretty much the same stuff that keeps coming back on a yearly basis. Fun enough, this bit makes it sound like plat and prime access purchases don't count like supporting the devs during the 10 years pseudo celebration. It's different in the sense that prime accessories at least keep coming back and there's no way to tell if you got them the first, second, third, etc time these were around. Also, i'm yet to see anyone get an accolade or something in their profile that makes them stand out as a supporter. Hell, not even supporter bundles which were initially sold as exclusives with some stuff that would be placed in the market later down the road seem to have anything to show off either now that DE is bringing their whole content back for platinum which is the main topic of this thread.

You should totally read it carefully since i think it's clear enough that an accolade should have been given to everyone; founders and CB tester groups were used as just an example of players who got an accolade for free way after their contribution was over; both during 2013 so have legit been around for 10 years but could still get nothing just like anyone who didn't the buy the bundle but has also been around for that long. If your take on it was "founders should have gotten a heirloom accolade for free" then it says a lot about your reading comprehension skills.

Could you point where did i say that founders got or should have gotten a heirloom bundle or the accolade for free? Do that and only then we can talk about poor reading comprehension skills because i'm sure i said that everyone should have gotten a 10 years supporter accolade.

DE gave them one already nonetheless, just like they gave one to closed beta players as well. That's a nice nitpicking you got there, btw.

I think at least the accolade should have been given for free or at lest through an alert. It's a little thing that people won't notice unless getting out of their way to check someone's profile and making players who have been playing for years -founders (11 years ago) and closed beta players in many cases (both groups with accolades)- not get this one just because of not buying an overpriced bundle with possibly unwanted stuff due to whatever reason while someone else could legit make an account in December 2023, buy the pack and have a "10 years supporter" accolade is straight up nonsense.

You're right, the fuss is all about how DE advertises stuff as exclusives to increase sales of real money only bundles; yet for some reason DE turns back on their word and some of these are eventually being brought back for platinum (much cheaper than their original price since trading allows to get it for free and PC players get up to 75% discounts) and hide behind an ambiguous wording while, for whatever reason, there's those few "true exclusives" that DE seems unlikely to ever bring back even if the uproar for those is muvh bigger than for the others. I personally stopped supporting the devs because of this nonsense.

"One time never coming back" cosmetics bundled with unwanted stuff to inflate the price and not even an accolade or somethimg similar for players who have been around for 10 years, either intermitently or legit playing mainly warframe most of the time... Yeah, it was indeed less of a celebratory pack and more of a middle finger for many players.

It's hard to say it's the case with a singular weapon when people here have already been listing several weapons that make Melee Influence nuts; incarnon Dual Ichor just makes it insane since its clouds inherit melee damage and bonuses which triggers further instances of Influence to a point in which it becomes almost self sustainable. And you don't need to hyper-build a 300-400% STR roar Saryn to get there when you can stack multiple layers of the same effect in the same area to get a similar or even bigger effect (Roar or Vex armor on high STR would just make that particular interaction even dumber than it already is)