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7 hours ago, (XB1)C11H22O11 said:

People have talked about it before

Fair enough.

Both of those posts are in regards to Titania and floating, with some references to other frames. Like I said, making other animations for all frames isn't practical as you can only make a walk unique so many time before you start getting silly.

7 hours ago, DeMonkey said:

You can argue they'd make money off it, sure, but can you justify the cost in man hours for a potential payoff?

Yes. DE wouldn't have made other customisation additions for the playerbase, like making syandanas seperate from armour, if they didn't ultimately pay off. And just a reminder, DE once removed a slot machine type mechanic because they didn't want that sort of thing in the game, even though they admittedly made loads of money from it.

7 hours ago, DeMonkey said:

I mean, same to you?

Go for it. If sarcastic quips and "turning the table" fallacies count as genuine criticism in your book then more power to you.

7 hours ago, DeMonkey said:

Provide the proof that DE didn't make the decision regarding these changes then.

Oh so its not the reason why they made the decision, its the actual decision making itself that counts. Right, because thats how the world works - without context.

No DE ultimately listen to the community. We are customers at the end of the day and they are a business. If they do not keep the majority of customers happy, they loose money. Business 101. If something is too unpopular or heavily demanded, it happens.

In a number of the previously mentioned changes, DE were at the start steadfast in their position. In the case of universal vacuum, they never wanted it at all, citing the long dead "uniqueness" argument. Then guess what, it got added anyway because there was such high demand. DE do not ultimately listen to DE. They listen to the customers.

8 hours ago, DeMonkey said:

You accuse others of "caring too much" (not something you can dictate) whilst throwing the virtual equivalent of a temper tantrum at dissenting opinions over something you repeatedly claim to be so minor.

This again. You realise you can shout this from the rooftops but it won't change how wrong you are.

Me questioning the arbitrary boundries/reasons people have for things, is not caring too much. False equivalency.

8 hours ago, DeMonkey said:

Why do you have such a problem with people not wanting to see flying pink Rhinos that you feel the need to vocalise that you no longer respect me?

I no longer respect you because your argument is entirely arbitrary and illogical. And you suddenly start resorting to cheap insults the moment someone questions your viewpoint.

I have no problem people not liking pink Rhinos. I have a problem when they use that as a reason to not add something into the game.

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38 minutes ago, ShadowExodus said:

They don't have to, but it's going to be demanded by the playerbase just like you're asking for their exclusive animations to be universal. It has been talked about before and this is just gonna give more grounds for unique walking animations. 

I haven’t seen anyone ask for every frame to have unique walking animations before this thread and I’ve been with Warframe since 2014.

It does not give grounds for every frame to have a unique walking animation because it’d be virtually impossible. The game has over thirty frames. They couldn’t make 30+ unique walking animations as all frames have the same type of legs bar Wisp.

There’s only so many times you can make a walk unique before you delve into Monty Python territory.

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38 minutes ago, ShadowExodus said:

warframes like say Grendel

Is there some kind fetish going around for Grendel or something? Seriously, why is everyone quoting this one particular frame?

Also once again, this is not a valid reason to not have the animations since it is entirely cosmetic and does absolutely nothing to you or your gameplay. Who cares if someone uses female animations on Grendel or any other frame? You do realise that Wisps agile animation can be equipped on any Warframe already right? 

38 minutes ago, ShadowExodus said:

they would have to literally create unique walking animations for all 30+ warframes because why not.

No DE would not have to make unique walking animations for every frame. Don’t know where you got that from since I never mentioned it once.

[Zephyr needs another look.]

17 minutes ago, Birdframe_Prime said:

I think... that there is nothing that an archwing flight version of Zephyr could do that a non-archwing flight version of Zephyr can already do and in many cases do better.

You're absolutely right that Zephyr needs another visit. You're also absolutely right that Tailwind is the one that needs the most work. You're absolutely right that Airburst is literally the least they could have done for an ability and it needs to be better.

I'm utterly shocked that you think making Tornado funnels bigger is even a function on Zephyr, it literally serves no purpose and doesn't provide any mechanical benefit whatsoever. Bigger funnels don't even have a bigger range.

I can throw in the ideas that are the result of arguing for four years with other Zephyr players on the Forums here, if you're interested, but they're long-winded enough ^^

But Zephyr, with archwing controls, a drain ability? Please don't nerf my favourite frame.

Thanks for the feedback.

Fair point about the tornados. I'll edit the OP so it reflects that.

Personally I don't think Zephyr can dp anything outright better than an Archwing, since it has far more freedom of movement. She's very fast sure, but Tailwind isn't really useful in most general missions IMO. The energy drain wouldn't be huge, since that would defeat the point of making her fly in the first place and Zephyr is mainly built for duration anyway. Turning it into an archwing ability would allow so much more versatility and freedom of movement. She wouldn't loose her speed either.

Sure I''m interested in your ideas. Post them.

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4 minutes ago, (XB1)C11H22O11 said:

You're doing the same thing, this whole thing is just opinions, different perspectives( which let's be honest you barely are going to see since everyone bulletjumps and rolls all the time) you can't really make an argument

Adding walking animations into the game for plat would make DE more money and would not affect anyone in any menaingfully negative way, like interferring with others gameplay like WoF or pre-rework Limbo. They are purely cosmetic.

Those are not opinions. They are facts.

Also that bullet-jump mention is just.....I mean come on. Thats the ground beneath the bottom of the barrel.

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19 minutes ago, DeMonkey said:

This is why sarcasm is deserved, because this is just sad. Why is "I don't like it" a stupid reason?

You know, before today I actually respected you. But after this, not so much.

The fact you even need to ask this question is very worrying. The reason why "I don't want it because I don't like it." is a stupid reason is because;

1. This game does not force you to do anything and the addition of new walking animations would literally not affect your game or anyones elses. You can simply not use them if you don't like them.
2. If we could all stop things from being added because people didn't like them, then Warframe would not have got very far. All the reworks and new additions would never have come to fruition if DE listened to everyone who said "Eh dunt loike ut".
3. Simply "I don't like it" is not a valid reason at all. Its a personal opinion/outlook and it should not stop things being added into the game, especially if said things are completely optional and cosmetic in nature.

That is why its a stupid reason. Its an opinion, not an argument.

19 minutes ago, DeMonkey said:

Why do I have to want it?

You don't have to want it and like I said; you are 100% entitled to your opinion.

Just don't expect your opinion not to be criticised, especially when its presented as an argument against adding new animations.

19 minutes ago, DeMonkey said:

DE listen to DE.

Provably wrong.

Universal vacuum for both companion types, Excalibur Umbra, syandana customisation being sepereated from armour, reversing an extremely unpopular nerf to vacuums range, making alert Warframes easier to farm, putting Umbra forma in the starchart.

Need I go on?

So you hope they don't add the animations purely because you just don't like them, even though you can simply not use them.

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2 minutes ago, (XB1)YoungGunn82 said:

Titania floaty animation on Nekros would be cool, because NEEKRROOS! mwahahah

I'd use it on Zephyr and Nova as well. 

Same. It’d look awesome on Limbo Deluxe too.

[Zephyr needs another look.]

Like a few other frames in the game, Zephyr has a lot of potential due to her theme. She is a frame that can manipulate the wind, which as a powers has a lot of varied applications. Right now though, DE don't seem to be making the most outof her theme. All she would need are a few changes that would make her more fun to use.

Changes to her abilities;

• Tail Wind
  • I would change this ability so that it functions similar to Archwing, like Titania's fourth. I have never really understood why Zephyr, a frame based on the element of Wind and is themed after a bird, has never been able to truly fly. Right now Tailwind just sends you hurtling in one straight direction and while it's useful for travel across large AOE maps, it's not very practical anywhere else and not as fun as it could be. Making it similar to Archwing so she can actually fly would better fit the theme, make the ability more useful/versatile and would make it more fun to use. This could either be a drain ability, with the drain affected by duration, or it could still be on a timer. Zephyr would also have her own version of blink, like how Titania is getting hers.
  • While not sprinting/boosting, the hover mode would be a lot slower, which allows you to have more control in general environments.
  • To add more functionality and incentive to the ability, I'd also add a damage boost to staying airborne.
• Airburst Rupture
  • This ability is rubbish. It's only real use is to make the Tornados bigger. It honestly feels like a temporary placeholder ability until something better comes along. I'd remove this and in its place, I'd add a new ability called Rupture. This ability would be a spherical blast AOE that expands outwards very quickly, causing enemies to suffer from bleed procs caused by Zephyr manipulating the pressure of the air within them and crushing their organs, which causes internal rupturing. This also causes enemies to be stunned for a small duration. The AOE distance and bleeding proc ticks would be affected by ability duration, but the damage of the ticks would naturally be affected by ability strength. However, the stun duration on enemies would not be affected by mods.
• Turbulence
  • This ability is fine as it is. No changes.
• Tornado
  • Remove the unnecessary synergy with the second ability. Other than that, it stays the same.

I think these changes would make Zephyr a much more fun and versatile frame. What do you guys think?

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7 minutes ago, DeMonkey said:

Ah, my apologies, you're clearly not exaggerating our viewpoints, no no. I'm sorry almighty WiFi god for disagreeing with you, how dare I have a different opinion and present it in a calm and reasoned manner. Please smite this sinner with your almighty wrathful gaze.

Honestly, there is no need for sarcasm and insults mate. I've spoken to you before and we've had amicable conversations, which I enjoyed. I've also responded in a calm manner and have not offered you insult.

I don't feel like I have exaggerated anything, as people have openly stated they don't want the walking animations in the game due to the possibility of someone using them for stupid reasons, which isn't a real argument. It's annoying.

13 minutes ago, DeMonkey said:

We have absolutely no control over it

We all know that DE listens to its community and decisions are made based on popularity. So we do actually have some small sliver of control. If enough people want it, it happens.

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5 minutes ago, ThatGuyFromThatPlace32 said:

No, I am not saying that people are not allowed to have feminine male frames. I am saying that it is just plainly stupid to have a pink, floating, ass shaking sumo wrestler.

And I'm saying; so what. How would anyone making a pink, floating ass shaking sumo wrestler, negatively affect you to such a degree that you don't want to add a walking animation in the game. Yes, that combination may be purely for lols sake, but who the hel cares. This is not a valid reason to not add the walking animations into the game.

Just another reminder, Wisp's agile animations are avaliable for universal use, so what you just described is already entirely possible. Only difference is the walking animation is not there yet.

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19 minutes ago, DeMonkey said:

You're grossly exaggerating our viewpoints and being rather expressive, I'd say that's you caring far too much.

Really;

21 hours ago, o0Despair0o said:

Never, I hope.

Last thing I need is some genius floating around with some pink, flying Hydroid or Rhino. That sh*t kills my immersion harder than anything else.

Like, the main reason I don't want their movement animations to be universal is the fact that people WILL abuse it by making unholy combinations that should be illegal.

20 hours ago, ThatGuyFromThatPlace32 said:

I don't know in what world a Pink, Floating, ass shaking (Wisp most certainly shakes her ass while moving) Grendel is "Expressing yourself", but, if you think it is... I don't know what to say

Its false equivalence to say I care too much when I'm not the one who doesn't want people dressing up male frames in pink or having slightly feminine animations, simply because I personally don't like it. The difference is that the animations are entirely optional, so its not like people have to use them. There's really no argument here.

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53 minutes ago, (XB1)C11H22O11 said:

Wisp has jet like feet that's why she floats, Titania can fly now they gave her hovering

Then you give that to Valkyr or Excalibur, why are they floating? Cuz CoSmEtIcS

Again, not a valid reason against adding the animations in the game. Half of Warframes fun is about customisation. You do realise that we can already use idle animations right? What does it matter if they float while walking as well.

Why do you care so much that you actively do not want a walking animation to be made universal? How would this being added into the game negatively impact your life as a whole?

53 minutes ago, (XB1)C11H22O11 said:

The best way to make you happy would be to give all Warframes unique walking animations to match their personalities.

Uh no, I'm entirely against giving Warframes exclusive walking animations. I don't want exclusivity, which is why I've made this thread.

17 minutes ago, DeMonkey said:

We aren't denying others anything,

You are. People saying they never hope it comes to the game because for some odd reason seeing floating male frames triggers them, means you'd happily deny people more customisation.

17 minutes ago, DeMonkey said:

It's something you want because you like it. We don't want it because we don't like it.

Difference is that having the animations in the game opens up customisation even more and is also an another way DE could make money, which improves the game.

You don't want it because for some reason people walking differently would freak you out. From a business and expansion standpoint, I think I know which argument is stronger.

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1 hour ago, (XB1)EternalDrk Mako said:

honestly dosnt sound like the frame , but then again its wielder and all that.

No. The “you’re a bad player” has long since be debunked and is not a valid defence for obvious badly designed features.

Hydroid is one of the least used frames in the game and the opinion that he is in dire need of a rework is shared by the majority of the community.

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1 hour ago, (XB1)C11H22O11 said:

It already looks stupid when Excalibur or Rhino is using something like Octavia animation. The floating would make this insulting

Thats entirely your opinion and is in no way a valid reason for the feature to not be added in the game.

How some people take the notion of floating male frames as a personal insult, I’ll never know.

1 hour ago, Learicorn said:

So if i bought that they wouldn't float like these two?

Sadly no. Which is why I made this thread.

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3 minutes ago, Learicorn said:

?? Since when Wisp's animations are exclusive to her? What? I can buy it for other frames just fine

Am i missing something here?

Yes. 
 

I’m talking about the walking/movement animations. At the moment Wisp and Titania have two unique walking animations which means they hover rather than walk when moving. We have access to their idle animations, but not the walking part of them.

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54 minutes ago, DeMonkey said:

I don't know how you can criticise people for caring, when you have also displayed quite strongly that you also care.

The only difference really is that people disagree. It's not caring too much or caring too little, it's simply people not sharing your opinion that it's a good thing.

I don't like pink Rhinos, I don't like silly anime glyphs plastered on defence targets, so I also don't like the idea of flying pink Rhinos with anime glyphs. There's no arbitrary line being crossed, I personally dislike all of them.

I do not care about how other people choose to customise their frames. These people do, up to the point where it makes them deny other people the chance to use those customisation options because they’re afraid of floating pink Rhinos and Grendels. That is caring far too much.

What I care about is having more customisation options in the game because I think it will add more variety. Its not the same thing. At all. Complete false equivalency. I’m not denying other people the chance to use customisation options on the basis that I personally do not like them.

Its absolutely fine if you don't like Pink Rhino's or anime glyphs, but that gives you absolutely zero right to deny other people the choice of using them. It is a very arbitrary line that some people have, because somehow having a floating animation on a pink Rhino or Grendel is the thing that really makes them uncomfortable, despite the fact that we already have a lot of idle animations that can make make male frames look overly effeminate.

And the uniqueness thing is also a redundant viewpoint.

 

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8 hours ago, (PS4)l-p4p-I said:

14 hours ago, TheGodofWiFi said:

 

idk i'm not coder

So what you said was pure conjecture. Right.

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7 minutes ago, (PS4)Darkrya said:

I kinda like the walking animations being tied to a single warframe, it gives them a sense of individuality. I would rather have them put new ones for the current set of characters we have right now, like Oberon galloping like a horse, or Grendal walking tp conpinsate for his frontal weight.

I really don't buy the individuality viewpoint. What makes a frame unique on its own is its powers and its visual look. Those can stay exclusive, but animations have long been universal by this point.

I'm highly against making new walking animations if they were to be exclusive to certain frames. It removes a potential aspect of customisation, which is half the fun, from the game.

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11 minutes ago, (PS4)CrazyBeaTzu said:

The crazy thing is that it doesnt matter lol.

Exactly. Some people care about animations and colour schemes way too much.

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27 minutes ago, ThatGuyFromThatPlace32 said:

The only thing I'm joking about is the "Illegal" part
I don't know in what world a Pink, Floating, ass shaking (Wisp most certainly shakes her ass while moving) Grendel is "Expressing yourself", but, if you think it is... I don't know what to say

Then you clearly have some kind of issue going on to care this much about something that really doesn't matter. Who cares if someone uses a pink Grendel?

Also just for the record, Titania's new animation doesn't have an arse-shake unlike Wisps. So you can calm down about that one.

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2 minutes ago, (XB1)EternalDrk Mako said:

hydroid had a rework and his puddle does scale damage , i mean he is tanky and able to aoe. not sure what youd need to improve as i ran him for a while after the rework. also has some kit synergy iirc

That cynically timed hotfix was not a rework. All it did was make Hydroids kit revolve around his puddle. It didn't solve any of his core issues, which is that his powers are incredibly boring, clunky, heavily RNG based and reliant on the environment as well as enemy AI. He's basically inferior to every other frame in the game. His farming augment is the only thing that stops him from being completely unused.

Hydroid especially is not tanky. He just sits in his puddle avoiding damage while being able to do nothing else.

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2 minutes ago, o0Despair0o said:

Last thing I need is some genius floating around with some pink, flying Hydroid or Rhino. That sh*t kills my immersion harder than anything else.

So its not the fact that someone has a full-blown pink Rhino or hentai-themed Hydroid (whose theme is Davy Jones in Space by the way) running around, its the fact that they might be able to float that finally pushes you out of the game world...

Honestly I can't tell if you guys are joking or not. If you aren't then you have some really arbitrary boundries for immersion, as well as a weird sense of what needs to be "illegal" in the game.

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3 hours ago, HerpDerpy said:

Probably not any time soon. every time its been brought up they say its exclusive to their respective frame.

Like I said, I think that uniqueness logic was made redundant around Update 15 when they first made animations universal customisation options. It's a bit arbitrary to draw the line at this point.

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35 minutes ago, (PS4)thowed said:

Wait, Baro insults you?  How'd I not know this.

Probably because you've been using a Prime when speaking to him. If you have no Prime items he basically calls you a dirty peasant.

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I personally bin the vanilla version when the Prime comes out. Unless you're one for nostalgia and/or are a collector, then there is zero point in keeping them IMO. Primes have better stats and better looks (though not in every case with that last one, looking at you Cow-beron Prime).

Also it frees up a slot, so thats a plus.