VampirePirate
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4 hours ago, (PS4)psycofang said:
It could have but knowing how she functioned, her ips switching without D2.5 wouldve fallen flat. Generally people would switch to Slash attribute and leave it there because its just that freakishly powerful vs everything. If they sent her out like that shed be another slasher frame with a long reaching slash whip and slash kavat with hp regen speccs.
With that our opinions divide of course.
Faith is a funny thing really, people had and lacked faith in D2.5 - the core system Khora was to manipulate, the community shot holes into the ideas tied to it. Impact and puncture being put in the spotlight especially.
With the idea put on hold Khora herself was now cut in half, she would be delegated to an exalted slash frame regardless.
I agree, though they are mostly transparent a bit of explanation could ease some peoples frustrations.
I half heartedly wish they would but at the same time, lately, ive become aware that adding alien objects can very well spiral out of control. The only way this game can create Outlandish frames is by allowing the frames to further manipulate themselves and/or their environments which is what worries me.
While the prior is not as dangerous the latter definitely is, its almost too easy to create another Limbo, despite my love for Limbo, i can see how such creations can become very harmful.
Maybe we will get what youre hoping for and i in turn hope it turns out well.
Dang man, you made some good points here. I appreciate it.
As for the first one, what if she was simply made to be a slash-only warframe? We would not have needed Damage 2.5 or the switching mechanic, no matter how promising that could have been. It seemed as if her theme was slash-based anyway. It probably would have been satisfying to most players at least.Never mind that. I think you expressed what you thought already. Think I'm getting sleepy.Yeah, with what you said about Limbo, as an example, that's the mysterious frontier not easily ventured. Hard to say what the right form of action would be at this point. My only concern now (considering what's done is done) with Khora, is usefulness. I have not tested her, but I can't see her having any crucial role in this game. If this is true, that's a sad result after all this time of awaiting her release. Of course, I would have to test her out first to get a better idea about this.
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2 minutes ago, (PS4)psycofang said:
Im not making excuses for them, though i doubt a dev would ever admit they are circling the drain, but you have to realise at least a little from a creative perspective the only way they are going to start wowing people again is by getting pretty outlandish.
I'm smiling because you are correct. You made clear what it is i was saying. The thing is, Khora originally was to be "outlandish", which was why she became so interesting. That was taken away. I'm not talking about just the Exalted Whip, but the warframe as a whole. I don't think the whip would have been unique, but it was interesting because of her intended theme. They probably need to be more outlandish these days. ...and yes, no dev would "admit to circling the drain", but they could give us more details as to why they did what they did with Khora at least. I honestly don't think it had anything to do with damage 2.5, because the Khora concept could have existed fine without it. it would have been amazing if they succeeded in their ambitions with this warframe. i would have been impressed. Think this is the core of the problem, that everyone had faith in De about Khora and then that faith was squashed.
I personally wish they used a poll during the last few phases of her creation, to get some ideas form the community before making the final decisions. That would have been fair to everyone, in my opinion.
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1 minute ago, (PS4)psycofang said:
Kinda hard to keep it unique with...27...30? Warframes, animations and abilities.
Theyd have to start making frames that function on moderately to largely different fundamentals entirely to make a unique frame. Octavia is an example of a light fundamental change, Limbo is another.
Theres also the extremely dangerous risks associated with creating frames like those or frames that further create a new fundamental floor.
You are only confirming my point and the many others i made.
You are confirming why everyone is complaining about Khora.
However, what i refuse to do is make up excuses for DE when they are perfectly capable of making up their own excuses. I have yet to hear any from them.
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7 hours ago, Kappa64 said:
Valkyr: Exalted Claws, and you're immortal + lifesteal
Excalibur: Exalted Blade, and you shoot waves out of your sword
Wukong: Exalted Stick, and it gets bigger
Titania: Exalted SMGs/Sword, and they're archwing weapons, but anywhere
Mesa: Exalted Pistols, and they aimbot
Atlas: Exalted Punches, and they lock on + do tons of damage with it's left-right-goodnight
Gara: Exalted Glass Sword Thing, and it sweeps/stabs for a ton of damage
Ivara: Exalted Bow, and it shoots a ton of arrows in different orientations
The point is with all these is they are extremely powerful abilities that are spammed for all the wrong reasons, and end up being incredibly dull. They're all incredibly strong, and are arguably the strongest part of each of these frames, and yet they pretty much are all the same thing, with some minor variance. They're powerful weapons that take away your primary, secondary and melee weapon in favor of it, and for just about all these frames, it's the one thing many people build around.
The reason I and many others consider them boring is not because it's an Exalted Whip, but rather an Exalted something. Of all these on this list, Gara and Atlas are undoubtedly the least affected by this stigma, since it still allows for interaction between your weapons and other abilities without being super handicapped trying to build for them.
I would buy into this mess if it were not for the fact that you used Gara for your example. Let's take everything you said bad about exalted weapons into consideration. If what you say is so true, then what is Khora's 1? According to your words, that would mean that Khora's exalted weapon was not removed, that what she has is still in fact an exalted weapon. You actually failed to make a valid point, and instead used opinions as if they were facts.
As for anyone that likes to use the excuse of preventing spin-attack spam, how is it being stopped? "Spammed for all the wrong reasons"? Sure. You can say that about anything people use to abuse in this game. it's not isolated to just exalted weapons. So there is not exalted whip. hooray! so what? People still spam other whips. Nothing was stopped.
Exalted or not, people use bows. Mentioning Ivara (for example) in this case makes no sense. So if i used a cernos as a primary, it would not be considered "spamming for all the wrong reasons", but if i use Ivara's exalted bow, it would be considered "spamming for all the wrong reasons"? Come on now. Why not just make a post that says "i hate exalted weapons" and just leave it at that. it's much easier to respect.
(I mean no disrespect. Moving on.)
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With that said, what i noticed about exalted weapons that i dislike is the fact that i can do the same darn thing with a primary or secondary or whatever the exalted weapon mimics. I think if DE wanted to keep going with the exalted weapon theme, then they should at least put more thought into it and allow for more uniqueness. Give us a better reason to use the ability. They must do something extremely different or unique to make it worthwhile. I'm not talking about Mesa and Titania, but i am talking about exalted weapons such as Ivara and Excalibur. I can simply use Cernos Prime instead of Ivara. I can simply use Excal's other blind ability instead of the exalted sword. There is too much copy and paste. Perhaps Khora would have been the same. Sadly, her abilities seem to be copy and paste anyway, of other warframes.
I think DE's imagination is going down the drain these days.
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I would rather have something new as opposed to mining and fishing. Give variety instead of copy and paste.
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People were spin attacking with whips long before Khora existed, and they will be doing that same thing long after her existence. Whether she has an exalted whip or not has no relevance to how people play this game. I really don't see why people keep making up such an excuse like that for DE, rather than asking them what their reason was for removing Exalted Whip.
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23 minutes ago, DeMonkey said:
Hate is obviously an overstatement, but it's pretty understandable. Imagine you're at 100 days in, a decent amount of time played and you're certainly Sortie viable. You get a Riven for a melee weapon, you open it, Sigma and Ocantis...
Now you've just gotta wait 600 days till the mod is actually useful for you as a player (excluding selling it, which you might not want to do). Same with something like the Zenith, getting a mod that might be half decent that you can't actually use for 1-2 years is... not going to be fun.
wow. All i did was sum up what he meant into the form a question. I meant nothing else by it. After looking on the wiki, i realized that the weapon was a log in reward. I was just trying to get the gist of what he was saying and acknowledging him.
I totally understand why he's upset. I was not knocking that.
Also he put the word "hate" in the title. Was not what i would have used.
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...so you hate the game because you think it will take you 7 months to get a weapon for the riven?
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14 hours ago, Azamagon said:
Her 3rd summons a metal cat. Bit odd animal to summon considering her theme, would've preferred it to be a spiderlike summon, but I can see why that's a bad idea (people with Arachnophobia), so I don't mind. At least, being a spider-esque frame, having a summon is at least very fitting.
i would very much be interested in a summoned spider pet, rather than the cat or dog. It would be something different and could also behave differently. Maybe it could have been a pet you can position in areas similar to Loki's decoy, except it can attach to walls and ceilings while laying traps. More could have been done with the whip if the devs used a bit more imagination, but... oh well.
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13 minutes ago, Hypernaut1 said:
why couldnt she have shipped with damage 2.5 changes exclusively? Wouldn't that have been the easiest solution? They couldve just explained it as her WF powers affected the way IPS works for her abilities.
That's actually quite genius of you. I think that would have worked out well, if they could still work with the current damage system with no problems.
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I have not and am not able to see the devstreams these days, but if what everyone says is true, about the removal of the exalted whip, then i really can't express how disappointed i am.
I would rather wait longer for Khora's release, and have them do things correctly, rather than substituting things with other things. This feels like War Within (if i named the right quest), back when they hyped it up for months only to not deliver what they promised. Sort of kills our faith in the devs' abilities, to me.
I happen to like melee-based warframes too. Would have been fun.
Oh well...
Edit: On second thought, they could have just made a different warframe. This one could have been a spider theme. Then release that. Then they could have finished Khora and released her later, instead of half-stepping.
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17 minutes ago, BBaw said:
Well yea thats fine, I don't think sounding like a real gun is quite as important as just sounding like its got some substance behind it. Kinda like my example with the Boar, it doesn't sound like any real gun that I ever heard but I think it sounds great. Where my sancti tigris sounds like a suppressed shotgun, if you've ever heard one of those fired. Its very unsatisfying.
Yeah I understand. Sadly, they just finished revamping the guns sound for all weapons lol.
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In defense of the sound department. All the gun sounds in the game come from actual guns. I think the problem lies in the fact that they tend to alter those actual sounds to make them unique to Warframe. Maybe that's where things get lost in the mix.
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Well done. Now we need an 8-bit version of the game.
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It all depends on how you are modding your frames and weapons.
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playable Lotus
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She looks high as hell.
Probably would have to be to decide to date Ballas.
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Well... we start with full health and shields, so why not?
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I thought the same thing when I saw the devstream. Then I started thinking about Tron.
Then i remembered Archwing. Then I had a sad face... and began to forget about my dreams.
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It is warframe lingo for procs
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1 minute ago, (PS4)big_eviljak said:
He means players post shadow debt, cant get him in the codex.
oh okay. thanks.
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43 minutes ago, (PS4)robotwars7 said:
he was a one-off for Shadow Debt, doesn't look like he'll be coming back again sadly. he doesn't even have a Codex Entry.
I have him in my Codex
What do you mean?
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