Aruquae

You're giving up on the librarian already? Cmon now, I can hear him shushing furiously now

The basis of "ability CC" can be traced to actual ability CC, not a proc For example, this type of CC isn't exclusive to Frost (or just warframes for that matter), considering it's a proc. Procs are beside the matter, i'm just saying Eximus should also be able to counter ALL abilities. That is true! I will edit my post to make this more specific. Thank you for the clarification Screw nullifiers, their buggy bubbles are more of an annoyance than a priority

I can see that, I was just specifying ability damage/CC rather than CC as a whole Their are others, but those were besides the topic at hand Unless we include Frost, but they fixed his CC affecting eximus

Counterargument! These are outliers An example of an ability like Loki's one is Garuda's first, which knocks down enemies, but can't do it because it counts as "CC" Grendel's Pulverize is lore accurate! He makes all of the enemies shiver Cold Procs are not abilities! And thus shouldn't be considered ability CC (as that's the topic) Taunt... dang, you got me These are not eximus, but instead special enemy units only found in certain mission nodes. Also, ability CC, not general A shame, they probably spotted a single guardian eximus and decided all life must die

Those are only limited to their respected mode, it would be cool to have something like this outside of arbitration/capture Yes, you can CC everything that's not Eximus, you can also (ability) nuke everything INCLUDING eximus Might as well make eximus a top priority and Nullifier part 2! (But without the buggy shield drone)

The amount of times I mention overguard (for eximus in particular) making ANY CC reliant frame's life miserable is always met with "Just shoot them" Alright, completely fair and valid, I do shoot them, and they die. It's nice But then I look at damage frames... and realized just how severely punished CC frames are compared to them DE talking about how they don't want to nuke rooms, understandable... so why do you keep on indirectly buffing nukers? Why not make overguard (for eximus in particular) immune to ALL types of abilities? That'll even out the playing field, CC frames can't CC, that makes the eximus a priority. Nuke frames won't be able to nuke the entire room along with eximus, which also makes them more of a primary target that you can kill with your weapons. I am ready for the large amounts of "Bad take" Edit 2: Adding more clarity, I’m not talking about reverting the overguard nerfs against CC, I’m talking about making Eximus overguard immune to damage abilities. This way it makes it even among the frames and less targeting/punishing towards CC frames.

Obviously he was overpowered, he definitely promoted an afk playstyle by being able to nuke entire rooms like Saryn He could've also achieved complete immortality like Revenant, and we can't have that Do I even have to type /s? I'll do it anyways

I've never truly experienced the way until now Thank you for teaching me da way

Nah, that’s also not the way The true way is just power walking as Atlas as your enemies die from your beautiful gigachin

Very constructive opinion, and I agree Maybe his nerfs were fine, maybe some features in this game actual do constitute a nerf. That is up to the Devs eyes. In the end, “small tweaks,” and “small nerfs/buffs” are meant to be kept “small.” But the difference between needing a nerf, and executing the nerf is vast. Sometimes, these Devs take the word “execute,” a bit too literally.

Hopefully, it’s been more than a year now

SHHHHHHH Don’t let them nerf Xaku too

Sounds completely reasonable Which is exactly why we’re not getting this… To put it into perspective… we asked for the same thing when they nerfed the topaz shards You can guess how well that went

…? Well in that case I disagree, in some cases, merging threads is necessary to avoid spam You know full well people would rather make an ENTIRE post for a question rather than looking at all of the OTHER posts with that question already stated/answered

Please add the word “unnecessarily” between “stop,” and “merging” There are cases when merging is good as multiple people want the same answer, but then there are OTHER cases where the mods merge two completely different threads that share a common topic (which is not the same thing).

Can’t deny that His Ult has the stupid LoS restriction… which in itself is fine but LoS never works anyways Garuda’s Ult never hits the grineer right in front of her, and that has a wider radius than Dante… can’t hit S#&$ with Dante’s Ult now

Did some tests myself, and I agree Bro’s not Caliban tier at all Of course… I am struggling with overguard upkeep now which is absurd… I just slapped the new bandaid mod known as “adaptation,” it works I guess. I guess if we even cared about tierlists he would drop down to B-tier? Definitely not C(aliban)-tier

I thought they just reduced the cap to his overguard? He should be regenerating more to fit the overguard cap...? Or am I missing something?

This post aged like sour wine And yes, I'm the one who's sour because of this On the plus side his nerfs weren't terrible, a LoS on the ult, along with an overguard cap decrease, but he now regenerates overguard faster I see this as a win for overguard

..... To experience the gamemode unironically... ...you?

Oh thank goodness you weren't a random aggressive tenno... I enjoy finding people who can reason without shutting out logic Damn, it's just the old AOE meta squished into the frame. I can see him being considered a hybrid frame, but even hybrids aren't a master of all, Dante on the other hand... They just took old Wukong+old bramma and made it into an angry library I see your reasoning, but i'm also confused how you guys see so much Dantes. Seriously, i've encountered like... 5? Not including myself of course

Pfft, clearly you’ve never performed a scientific experiment Two different people trying to find the difference between two frames is hardly the way to go It would be best if you did both of it yourself (or I did both myself, if I even cared to prove a point), to keep your unique way of playing both. In fact… comparing it to Equinox would be slower just because she needs a fair amount of ramp up before detonating, not to mention it would have to be the same mission node… same enemy type… same level… same amount of time. Even then that wouldn’t show their true performance if we’re considering Saryn. Saryn would prefer to be against grineer, as they can live longer to spread the procs in order to nuke, Volt would want infested considering they’re squishy without any armor/shield regen. Mesa lacks the AOE most have, but she makes up with it in fast killing rate, still not as fast as an AOE nukor though. (If the enemies are around Mesa, rather than in a cone for los as an example). If I were to do the bet, agreed. Weapon kills would mean nothing for this. Of course… would his tome be considered a weapon kill? I know Garuda’s talons count as ability kills, but doesn’t show it in the stats. Might have to factor that in

You’re right, and Dante is just like them in terms of damage output. Of course it’s not as good as Equinox or Mesa, but still really good damage.

This makes little sense to me too Sure there’s a large surplus of Dante players, but he’s the new frame of course he’s going to be popular. Now that I think of it, five days is enough time for him to be built without rushing it with platinum, and I’m sure many others just rushed the 50p or bought outright (guilty, discount payed off). They live in Hydron, it’s the library

I call bullS#&$ on this “disruptive gameplay” The only thing that counts as disruptive gameplay is the overguard he grants screwing people’s builds that require losing health (or shields). I guarantee you this poor excuse is just going to be used to make it seem like it was worth the nerf, and I know for a fact, that the overguard cap to teammates isn’t going to be the only change. I hate when the devs use the “disruptive gameplay” or “promotes afk playstyle” as an excuse to change/nerf something. Just say it how it is