Update 26 broke staus application and effects!

[(XBOX)Skiller115]

I started to notice this right after update 26 launched on console and basically it ruins Growing Power and gas procs. Basically now in order for a status to proc the target has to survive getting oneshot otherwise you don't get ANY proc which makes Growing Power useless on any high Damage status weapons like Ogris or Akarius and most status melee weapons especially with Condition Overload! Please fix this DE!

[The.Mad.Doctor]

I kind of thought of it as, "if something is going to get one shotted, then you probably don't need the the extra power yet. Not until the enemies have scaled a bit at least." However, I do agree that it nerfed gas builds though, because you can't turn a high status weapon into a sort of launcher type weapon at lower levels.

[Gaxxian]

Now i understand why sometimes i dont get the Growing Power bonus even using Fulmin, that have a guaranteed proc :O

Btw, if u likes to use Growing Power, i recomend u putting a Cryotra into your sentinel and mod it for 100% status chance. Your sentinel will proc your strenght bonus passively :P

[(XBOX)Skiller115]

5 hours ago, The.Mad.Doctor said:

I kind of thought of it as, "if something is going to get one shotted, then you probably don't need the the extra power yet. Not until the enemies have scaled a bit at least." However, I do agree that it nerfed gas builds though, because you can't turn a high status weapon into a sort of launcher type weapon at lower levels.

The problem with this logic is that it completely falls apart when I can just switch to my Dera Vandal with 99.8% status and can still trigger it on anything level 30 and up.

[DrakeWurrum]

16 hours ago, (XB1)Skiller115 said:

the target has to survive getting oneshot

If you're one-shotting your enemies, then you're not in high enough level content for status procs to matter.

[DrivaMain]

This is very noticeable on launcher weapons (like the ogris). Where I dont consistently proc status at 100% status before multishot.

[(XBOX)Skiller115]

5 hours ago, DrakeWurrum said:

If you're one-shotting your enemies, then you're not in high enough level content for status procs to matter.

Have you ever heard of a mod called Growing Power? I use it quite a lot and not many things can survive 58,905 damage from one shot of my Napalm Secura Penta which used to proc all the time now mobs have to be at least level 75+ or elite mobs to not die in one hit from it, in order to just proc Growing Power or Gas procs!

 

 

[The.Mad.Doctor]

On 2019-12-09 at 9:39 PM, (XB1)Skiller115 said:

Have you ever heard of a mod called Growing Power? I use it quite a lot and not many things can survive 58,905 damage from one shot of my Napalm Secura Penta which used to proc all the time now mobs have to be at least level 75+ or elite mobs to not die in one hit from it, in order to just proc Growing Power or Gas procs!

 

 

What? You just said, from what I'm getting anyway, that you're oneshotting everything, and that makes it harder to oneshot everything. Unless maybe you're talking about gas procs bouncing off of mobs onto stronger enemies, but even then, I feel like the scaling should be fine outside of armor (unless you're using rhino or something).

Edited December 12, 2019 by The.Mad.Doctor

[(XBOX)Skiller115]

8 hours ago, The.Mad.Doctor said:

What? You just said, from what I'm getting anyway, that you're oneshotting everything, and that makes it harder to oneshot everything. Unless maybe you're talking about gas procs bouncing off of mobs onto stronger enemies, but even then, I feel like the scaling should be fine outside of armor (unless you're using rhino or something).

I guess you have never used the Aura mod Growing Power? Basically you're saying that since my gun can oneshot the mobs I therefore do not deserve procing an element and getting 25% more ablity strength for my Warframe, unless I basically nerf myself by using a weaker low damage high Firerate weapon with high status just because reasons?

[The.Mad.Doctor]

On 2019-12-12 at 5:37 PM, (XB1)Skiller115 said:

I guess you have never used the Aura mod Growing Power? Basically you're saying that since my gun can oneshot the mobs I therefore do not deserve procing an element and getting 25% more ablity strength for my Warframe, unless I basically nerf myself by using a weaker low damage high Firerate weapon with high status just because reasons?

Dude,  what do you even need the power strength for, are you trying to optimize for level 50s or something? If you are trying to optimize for level 100+ then what are you even complaining about, power strength is one of the worst scaling stats due to enemies out-tanking the dmg (exceptions are debuff frames, but even then, enemies would have to be high level for that to even matter). Even if you were making a build to somehow one shot lvl 100+ enemies with only your abilities, I have a hard time believing you can't proc growing power with a gas Secura Penta at that level. Also just fyi, I'm not saying that they shouldn't fix it, I just like providing counter points to peoples arguments. 

Also, sorry for taking so long to reply, I tend to not be on the forums every day, especially on the weekends.

Edited December 16, 2019 by The.Mad.Doctor

[(XBOX)Skiller115]

5 hours ago, The.Mad.Doctor said:

Dude,  what do you even need the power strength for, are you trying to optimize for level 50s or something? If you are trying to optimize for level 100+ then what are you even complaining about, power strength is one of the worst scaling stats due to enemies out-tanking the dmg (exceptions are debuff frames, but even then, enemies would have to be high level for that to even matter). Even if you were making a build to somehow one shot lvl 100+ enemies with only your abilities, I have a hard time believing you can't proc growing power with a gas Secura Penta at that level. Also just fyi, I'm not saying that they shouldn't fix it, I just like providing counter points to peoples arguments. 

Also, sorry for taking so long to reply, I tend to not be on the forums every day, especially on the weekends.

I play Mag and every bit of power strength matters a lot to me, this can mean the difference between wiping a whole room or just damaging everything but still have to run around to kill all those not dead stragglers. Also just to confirm myself earlier I tested the damage output of my gun, I use corrosive on my Secura Penta and as of now I can oneshot a whole group of level 100 Graneer Lancers in one hit and can oneshot a Lancer with a direct hit at level 138! All without corrosive projection! So in order for me to even trigger Growing Power when using mag is to have to sit in a mission till the mobs get to over level 100 or have to specifically run around trying to find a heavier unit to proc my elements on!

And the final point is that you agree with me that this needs to be fixed but instead you try to turn this into an arguing for the sake of argument about my motive on wanting this fixed. My motives for wanting something fixed is irrelevant to this discussion as it should not matter why I want it to be fixed, it should be fixed now matter why someone wants it to be fixed.

[The.Mad.Doctor]

17 hours ago, (XB1)Skiller115 said:

I play Mag and every bit of power strength matters a lot to me, this can mean the difference between wiping a whole room or just damaging everything but still have to run around to kill all those not dead stragglers. Also just to confirm myself earlier I tested the damage output of my gun, I use corrosive on my Secura Penta and as of now I can oneshot a whole group of level 100 Graneer Lancers in one hit and can oneshot a Lancer with a direct hit at level 138! All without corrosive projection! So in order for me to even trigger Growing Power when using mag is to have to sit in a mission till the mobs get to over level 100 or have to specifically run around trying to find a heavier unit to proc my elements on!

And the final point is that you agree with me that this needs to be fixed but instead you try to turn this into an arguing for the sake of argument about my motive on wanting this fixed. My motives for wanting something fixed is irrelevant to this discussion as it should not matter why I want it to be fixed, it should be fixed now matter why someone wants it to be fixed.

With how Mag's bubble scales, I would have thought you wouldn't need power strength, or at least I don't use much on her. What are you building her for, just curious? 

Edit: I do have a friend who runs with blind rage and two arcane energize on mag, and he loves her, just not my playstyle, I rely a lot more on her bubble.

Edited December 17, 2019 by The.Mad.Doctor

[(XBOX)Skiller115]

On 12/17/2019 at 9:50 AM, The.Mad.Doctor said:

With how Mag's bubble scales, I would have thought you wouldn't need power strength, or at least I don't use much on her. What are you building her for, just curious? 

Edit: I do have a friend who runs with blind rage and two arcane energize on mag, and he loves her, just not my playstyle, I rely a lot more on her bubble.

I use power strength for Polarize and Crush. Magnetize never needs any strength mods just a powerful projectile weapon.

[zuraja]

On 2019-12-09 at 3:54 PM, DrakeWurrum said:

If you're one-shotting your enemies, then you're not in high enough level content for status procs to matter.

My Ignis Wraith shreds hordes of fodder enemies just as well as my Arca Plasmor or Opticor Vandal despite not causing literal oneshots.  Better now, actually, because the gas procs it generates can cause a lot of spash damage to enemies that weren't directly hit.