Kontrollo Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 (edited) I haven't been following the discussions here closely, so if it's been brought up already, please point me to it. I've been gathering/scrapping quite a few parts already, but because the costs are kinda prohibitive, I've only built a few weapons so far. What I've found is that the stats of a weapon class are mostly the same, only varying in damage/status/crit./heat-buildup, depending on the rank (Mk) and house. However, I think there's a random buff to the fire rate as well, but that is not visible from the UI of the scrap parts themselves. Also, there's some mention of that in the patch notes, too, it seems: Spoiler On 2019-12-13 at 11:20 PM, [DE]Megan said: Fixed Fire Rate random buff not applying on Wreckage Railjack Armaments. Just for comparison, here's the default Apoc: Spoiler Hover tooltip (Fire Rate 8.33): Stats (again Fire Rate 8.33, nothing surprising): Tooltip of my Zetki Apoc Mk II (Fire Rate 8.33, again unsurprising): Stats (Fire Rate: 11.64): So, does anyone have more info on that? Maybe a way to see the fire rate before committing and repairing a part? Would be nice to know more before I start building my next weapon. Edit: See this post for up-to-date numbers and add some numbers if you can, please. Here's an early copy of that table: Observed Buff Ranges WIP — Update 2019-12-24 (1) Name House Buff Type Mk II (+...%) Mk III (+...%) min max min max Apoc Lavan Fire Rate 34.5 54.8 Vidar Damage 16.2 24.3 Zetki Fire Rate 39.6 50.2 30.4 59.1 Carcinnox Lavan Fire Rate 38.2 38.2 34.9 57.4 Vidar Damage 28.1 28.1 24.7 27.6 Zetki Fire Rate 41.2 58.2 31.1 57.0 Cryophon Lavan Fire Rate 31.5 58.9 51.1 52.2 Vidar Damage 42.9 42.9 Zetki Fire Rate 31.3 59.3 33.4 59.0 Photor Lavan Damage 23.9 25.2 Vidar Damage 23.0 25.1 Zetki Damage 18.0 27.9 15.8 28.1 Pulsar Lavan Fire Rate 43.7 43.7 Vidar Damage 22.2 27.3 15.9 20.8 Zetki Fire Rate 38.9 55.5 31.2 58.9 Edited December 24, 2019 by Kontrollo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost_Cartographer Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 Would explain why my zetki mkii apocs feel like they're shooting (and overheating) faster now. Kind wish they didn't dump all the cool tweaks on zetki while vidar and lavan are just a little more status or a little more crit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aadi880 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 3 minutes ago, Lost_Cartographer said: Would explain why my zetki mkii apocs feel like they're shooting (and overheating) faster now. Kind wish they didn't dump all the cool tweaks on zetki while vidar and lavan are just a little more status or a little more crit. From my experience, Lavan does better at providing more shields and less overheat than Zekti. Not sure what Vidar does better at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kontrollo Posted December 17, 2019 Author Share Posted December 17, 2019 4 minutes ago, Lost_Cartographer said: Would explain why my zetki mkii apocs feel like they're shooting (and overheating) faster now. Kind wish they didn't dump all the cool tweaks on zetki while vidar and lavan are just a little more status or a little more crit. Well, the way it was worded in the patch notes would imply that buff is for all the weapons. Can you have a look and post the fire rate of your own repaired weapons? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kontrollo Posted December 17, 2019 Author Share Posted December 17, 2019 (edited) Edit: This is outdated. Now updating a later post only. Alright, can anyone maybe post the fire rate of their repaired guns? Not the hover tooltip, but the stats on the right side, when equipped. I'm also curious to know in what range these buffs are. Edit: Oh alright, looks like they fixed the UI at least, and it now shows the buff percentage. One step forward. But while we're at it, would still be useful to gather the buff ranges, just for fyi. Important: Looks like buffs are not only to fire rate, but also to damage on some weapons. Examples: Spoiler Here's what I know so far (WIP): Apoc: Spoiler Lavan Apoc Mk III: +34.5-48.6% fire rate Vidar Apoc Mk III: +16.2% damage Zetki Apoc Mk II: +39.6-50.2% fire rate Zetki Apoc Mk III: +32.5-59.1% fire rate Carcinnox: Spoiler Lavan Carcinnox Mk II: +38.2% fire rate Lavan Carcinnox Mk III: +43.5% fire rate Vidar Carcinnox Mk II: +28.1% damage Vidar Carcinnox Mk III: +27.6% damage Zetki Carcinnox Mk II: +41.2-58.2% fire rate Zetki Carcinnox Mk III: +36.2-54.2% fire rate Cryophon: Spoiler Lavan Cryophon Mk II: +31.5-58.9% fire rate Vidar Cryophon Mk III: +42.9% damage (tentative -- unconfirmed) Zetki Cryophon Mk II: +31.3-59.3% fire rate Zetki Cryophon Mk III: +33.7-59% fire rate Photor: Spoiler Lavan Photor Mk III: +23.9%-25.2% damage Vidar Photor Mk III: +23% damage Zetki Photor Mk III: +18.7-28.1% damage Pulsar: Spoiler Lavan Pulsar Mk II: +43.7% fire rate Vidar Pulsar Mk II: +22.2-27.3% damage Zetki Pulsar Mk II: +38.9-55.5% fire rate Zetki Pulsar Mk III: +41.7-58.9% fire rate Edited December 20, 2019 by Kontrollo update: 2019-12-20 (1) -- now outdated, see below 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chroia Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 (edited) Sorry I didn't find this before, what with the 30 wreckage limit. Pretty much only have Mk.3s now. Still, lemme see what I can add here... Zetki Apoc Mk II: +58.4% fire rate Zetki Apoc Mk III: +59.1% fire rate Lavan Photor Mk III: +23.9%-25.2% damage Zetki Photor Mk III: 18.2%-24.1% damage Vidar Pulsar Mk III: 22.2% damage Vidar Carcinnox Mk III: +15.9% damage Zetki Carcinnox Mk II: +33.8% fire rateZetki Carcinnox Mk III: +54.2% fire rate Vidar Cryophon Mk III: +51% damage Edited December 20, 2019 by Chroia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthIronclad Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 so what is the main advantage of lavan? it has worser fire rate buff than zetki...or it has better heat management than the other houses? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kontrollo Posted December 20, 2019 Author Share Posted December 20, 2019 (edited) @Chroia Thanks, added. Going to use this post now to update. @DarthIronclad I suspect the buff ranges are the same, I just haven't seen that many Lavan guns -- Zetki drops far more often. Observed Buff Ranges WIP — Update 2019-12-24 (1) Name Buff Type Mk II Mk III Lavan Apoc Fire Rate +34.5-54.8% Vidar Apoc Damage +16.2-24.3% Zetki Apoc Fire Rate +39.6-50.2% +30.4-59.1% Lavan Carcinnox Fire Rate +38.2% +34.9-57.4% Vidar Carcinnox Damage +28.1% +24.7-27.6% Zetki Carcinnox Fire Rate +41.2-58.2% +31.1-57% Lavan Cryophon Fire Rate +31.5-58.9% +51.1-52.2% Vidar Cryophon Damage +42.9% Zetki Cryophon Fire Rate +31.3-59.3% +33.4-59% Lavan Photor Damage +23.9-25.2% Vidar Photor Damage +23-25.1% Zetki Photor Damage +18-27.9% +15.8-28.1% Lavan Pulsar Fire Rate +43.7% Vidar Pulsar Damage +22.2-27.3% +15.9-20.8% Zetki Pulsar Fire Rate +38.9-55.5% +31.2-58.9% Edited December 24, 2019 by Kontrollo now outdated, see below 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthIronclad Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 interesting,so is fire rate for lavan and zetki,and damage for vidar...with the exception of photor. wonder why they did not come up with something different for lavan though,something like a increase in heat capacity for lavan can be interesting,and it fits that house well too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kontrollo Posted December 20, 2019 Author Share Posted December 20, 2019 I haven't seen enough stats yet to say for sure, but here's what I think so far: Mk I weapons don't have random buffs. There are both fire rate and damage buffs, and they're mostly consistent between houses. Lavan & Zetki have fire rate buffs, while Vidar has damage buffs. Exceptions: Lavan & Zetki Photor have damage buffs too (so Photor guns all have that). For fire rate the buff seems to be between 30% and 60%. Damage might be between 15% and 50% (less sure about that). Myself, I've only seen damage buffs up to 30%, but one helpful guy on the wiki posted a screenshot with a +42.9% damage Vidar Cryophon Mk III. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AgentFlamax Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 (edited) If it provides higher firerate as a buff, does it mean the gun will overheat faster for MK-II and MK-III? Edit: Forget what I've asked. Just noticed that it does overheat faster Edited December 20, 2019 by AgentFlamax Answered Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kontrollo Posted December 24, 2019 Author Share Posted December 24, 2019 (edited) Better format and up-to-date with what I have gathered so far (going to update this post from now on): Observed Buff Ranges WIP — Update 2019-12-29 (2) Name House Buff Type Mk II (+...%) Mk III (+...%) min max min max Apoc Lavan Fire Rate 34.5 58.2 Vidar Damage 15.7 29.5 Zetki Fire Rate 39.6 50.2 30.4 59.4 Carcinnox Lavan Fire Rate 38.2 38.2 34.9 57.4 Vidar Damage 28.1 28.1 24.7 27.6 Zetki Fire Rate 41.2 58.2 30.2 59.9 Cryophon Lavan Fire Rate 31.5 58.9 39.3 52.2 Vidar Damage 30.8 55.8 Zetki Fire Rate 31.3 59.3 30.5 59.0 Photor Lavan Damage 18.3 25.2 Vidar Damage 23.0 25.1 Zetki Damage 18.0 27.9 15.5 29.5 Pulsar Lavan Fire Rate 43.7 43.7 44.3 59.8 Vidar Damage 22.2 27.3 15.9 24.7 Zetki Fire Rate 38.9 55.5 31.2 58.9 I haven't seen enough stats yet to say for sure, but the following is very likely to be true: Mk I weapons don't have random buffs. There are both fire rate and damage buffs, and they're mostly consistent between houses. Lavan & Zetki have fire rate buffs, while Vidar has damage buffs. Exceptions: Lavan & Zetki Photor have damage buffs too (so Photor guns all have that). For fire rate the buff is between 30% and 60%. Damage seems to be between 15% and 30%.Myself, I've only seen damage buffs up to 30%, but one helpful guy on the wiki posted a screenshot with a +42.9% damage Vidar Cryophon Mk III. So I think that Vidar Cryophon Mk III having a higher damage buff than the others is probably an oversight, and its range is +30-60% like with the fire rate buffs. Edited December 29, 2019 by Kontrollo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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