Who/what is the stalker (theory crafting)

[-SoH-ViktorD]

So what we know so far is the stalker is a dax/guardian of the Orokin Empire (he says he was standing with them when the tenno cut his masters down). If he were a tenno he would be standing with the tenno.

 

Now there's multiple possibilities that can come from this. Was he a tenno who literally served the Orokin, and became trusted by them? To further explain this theory, kings in history have trusted certain people outside of their nationality, and have given some lucky people an honorary title. 

 

The Orokin wanted to do this with ordan karris. They wanted to make him a true Orokin. (the use of true is similar to how when greeks/romans/whoever would capture new land and those people would now be considered "Greek" but not within the high ranking of people who were born Greek).

 

So with Ordan bring chosen to be an Orokin, we can assume that this person who is controlling stalker (if it is a tenno) is their personal assassin, like Ordan was.

 

Now we can go the lore route, by looking at stalkers warframe colors it appears to be an Umbra frame. With his codex saying he stood with the guards, what if he was a willing participant in the Umbra experiment?

 

We can also go a route of it bring any Orokin who used transference and got stuck. 

 

One last idea is a Dax soldier who figured out how to use transference and got stuck in the frame/his body died. 

 

Now before people quote hunhow, and him saying "you know who you are you're one of them" hunhow calls alad v an orokin, and mislabels quite a lot of things. So we cannot trust hunhow saying that stalker is a tenno. There's probably more then these few theories we can craft. 

 

What's your idea on who he is? 

[(XBOX)C11H22O11]

He's a creep that follows you around and leaves when you sneeze on him

[-SoH-ViktorD]

57 minutes ago, (XB1)C11H22O11 said:

He's a creep that follows you around and leaves when you sneeze on him

LOL I love the explanation. While I'd agree with you, I wish de would delve into some back story (something they never do) 

[HoustonDragon]

It seems likely the Stalker was a progenitor to Umbra, and either created by or leading to Ballas' betrayal. The Codex fragment seems to note they were there at the fall of the Orokin Empire, and were hunting the Tenno in retribution.

https://warframe.fandom.com/wiki/Shadow_Stalker

[SneakyErvin]

My take on it is that the Stalker is the original Excal and never turned on the Orokin like several of the original frames did. Or that he is an alpha frame seperate from the rest which would explain his shifting power arsenal. Unless of course he has been able to upgrade himself over time with more and more frame tech and training.

[(XBOX)Ancient Mutt]

Tenno are children raised by virtues of the Lotus.

The stalker is a product of what happened when a Tenno's ancestor met a Tau. The Tau drove the ancestors insane as part of a war strategy. 

How Hunhow serves the Tau and who he takes directives from is a mystery. The stalker takes orders from Hunhow to hunt Tenno. 

The stalker's operator must be an Orokin ancestor loyal to the Tau originally but possibly still given the insanity treatment to be nuts enough to kill children.

I've always thought that during the initial first contact with the Tau species, a few scientists must have been friendly with the Tau. While the majority were probably focused on conquest, there are always one or two 'weirdos' who'd like to make friends with aliens instead. 

What if the stalker's operator was one of those weirdo scientists?

Just spitballin'

[SneakyErvin]

6 minutes ago, (XB1)Primus Patronum said:

Tenno are children raised by virtues of the Lotus.

The stalker is a product of what happened when a Tenno's ancestor met a Tau. The Tau drove the ancestors insane as part of a war strategy. 

How Hunhow serves the Tau and who he takes directives from is a mystery. The stalker takes orders from Hunhow to hunt Tenno. 

The stalker's operator must be an Orokin ancestor loyal to the Tau originally but possibly still given the insanity treatment to be nuts enough to kill children.

I've always thought that during the initial first contact with the Tau species, a few scientists must have been friendly with the Tau. While the majority were probably focused on conquest, there are always one or two 'weirdos' who'd like to make friends with aliens instead. 

What if the stalker's operator was one of those weirdo scientists?

Just spitballin'

The Tau species are Orokin made though, since they are the sentients that the warframes were later designed to kill. There is also normal Stalker, which is the pre-Hunhow Stalker that still hunts the Warframes/Tenno. His entry also talks of him witnessing the betrayal of the tenno, when they slaughtered the Orokin elite. He was a close bodyguard to some Orokin that were slaughtered during a specific ceremony, that is why he wants us dead and why he gets more and more upset as we keep killing Orokin offspring in high places.

[-SoH-ViktorD]

2 hours ago, HoustonDragon said:

It seems likely the Stalker was a progenitor to Umbra, and either created by or leading to Ballas' betrayal. The Codex fragment seems to note they were there at the fall of the Orokin Empire, and were hunting the Tenno in retribution.

https://warframe.fandom.com/wiki/Shadow_Stalker

Aye that much we know 

 

1 hour ago, SneakyErvin said:

My take on it is that the Stalker is the original Excal and never turned on the Orokin like several of the original frames did. Or that he is an alpha frame seperate from the rest which would explain his shifting power arsenal. Unless of course he has been able to upgrade himself over time with more and more frame tech and training.

The sentients were the ones to upgrade him. But I do like your thoughts 

14 minutes ago, (XB1)Primus Patronum said:

Tenno are children raised by virtues of the Lotus.

The stalker is a product of what happened when a Tenno's ancestor met a Tau. The Tau drove the ancestors insane as part of a war strategy. 

How Hunhow serves the Tau and who he takes directives from is a mystery. The stalker takes orders from Hunhow to hunt Tenno. 

The stalker's operator must be an Orokin ancestor loyal to the Tau originally but possibly still given the insanity treatment to be nuts enough to kill children.

I've always thought that during the initial first contact with the Tau species, a few scientists must have been friendly with the Tau. While the majority were probably focused on conquest, there are always one or two 'weirdos' who'd like to make friends with aliens instead. 

What if the stalker's operator was one of those weirdo scientists?

Just spitballin'

Hmm, I like this theory. So to expand on it, what if the sentients told the tau how transference works? Since Ballas told hun how about how warframes work and their weaknesses? And a tau got mad that the tenno killed the empire who would "rescue" them from their empire who was maybe worse off? 

 

7 minutes ago, SneakyErvin said:

The Tau species are Orokin made though, since they are the sentients that the warframes were later designed to kill. There is also normal Stalker, which is the pre-Hunhow Stalker that still hunts the Warframes/Tenno. His entry also talks of him witnessing the betrayal of the tenno, when they slaughtered the Orokin elite. He was a close bodyguard to some Orokin that were slaughtered during a specific ceremony, that is why he wants us dead and why he gets more and more upset as we keep killing Orokin offspring in high places.

Or what if he's an orokin allied tenno? Maybe not all tenno were against the orokin? 

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4 hours ago, (XB1)C11H22O11 said:

He's a creep that follows you around and leaves when you sneeze on him

Oh my god, thank you for the "Comment of the day" cause this has certainly made my day.

 

[SneakyErvin]

30 minutes ago, -SoH-ViktorD said:

Or what if he's an orokin allied tenno? Maybe not all tenno were against the orokin? 

That is possible. It may be that he and the acolytes are the "low guardians" he refers to in the lore entry. Maybe that is why they've been excluded from the rest of the tenno and their plan to overthrow the Orokin and why Stalker has been awake when all other tenno were asleep since his tranceferance thing is set up elsewhere and not on Lua.

Him being a guardian also explains his skill set being wider, since he is not just a field soldier used for a single purpose.

[TARINunit9]

7 hours ago, -SoH-ViktorD said:

One last idea is a Dax soldier who figured out how to use transference and got stuck in the frame/his body died. 

My theory is this, plus one more detail

Remember the Vengeful Revenant stance? Stance mod you can put on Skana, Pangolin, and Broken War. I think it lays out pretty clearly what Stalker is: a revenant. An undead monster from European folklore who rises from the grave for one purpose:

Revenge. He saw us cut down his master's and his brothers in arms at Outer Terminus, and I highly doubt he escaped afterward. I imagine a Low Guardian, bleeding out and face dripping with the melted plastics of his own helmet, feebly crawling through the Orokin station as it starts to break apart in a Void fissure, his last gasp cursing the Tenno as he collapses atop a dead Excalibur Umbra. And the Man in the Wall, the scheming bastard he is, decides to put this man into Transference for the hell of it

And yes, Revenant the Warframe is named after the same thing. The only difference is that he can't get revenge on the Eidolon, so he just lashes out at whatever gets too close

[(XBOX)Calliber]

I'm under the impression that he and the acolytes are going to be revealed as the end result of the Umbra experiments (where Umbra was the Alpha/beta test), and maybe a willing participant in it.