A Little Pvp Is Starting To Not Sound So Bad....

[Sophronius]

Please pay attention here. Should you decide to make a reply, you should know that I do not want to spend time making several posts just to argue about some kind of point here that you do not agree with or think is completely wrong. I will not respond to these posts. I do not mind if you argue and/or do not agree. But know that I will likely not reply to it. I tire of having to argue and make 10+ extra posts over something I originally said in my post. It happens every time.

 

 

 

Now that we have that out of the way...

 

 

 

I'm sure everyone has noticed the entire community degradation with this event here...

 

I remember the more friendly PvE kind of Warframe a while back. But now we must have dominating clans, pro-corpus/grineer, insults to each other based on faction alignment, rage and hatred here and there. Competition and pompousness has destroyed the "friendly" idea that was originally in mind. I think DE did not want to make PvP because they did not want that kind of competition and a way to sour the community. But now we seem to have the same result they were afraid of, but instead from an event.

 

I'm surprised that something so simple has caused so much trouble. DE was probably surprised as well. The main reason behind it, siding with factions. Grineer are winning so greatly that it makes the ostentatious nature of people come out. It's also causing problems for people who are after certain weapons or rewards. Rumors of clans kicking people due to faction siding along with hate tells and harassing messages have been going around. To be honest I could totally believe the rumors too, I wouldn't put it past the community. It appears that many of us aren't mature enough for a simple attempt to "expand lore" in the manner we have seen.

 

I hate to say it but seeing so much of this really turns me away from online play. I think I will be taking a break here, instead to KSP, M:LL, Arma 3 and whatever else. I have hopes that the community will calm down after this event, hopefully the problems that have come from it will not echo in to the future.

 

 

There is also the off chance that all these community problems could just be 20 people screaming very loudly, making it seem like a large portion of the community.

 

 

 

I hope that more people will perhaps read this and begin to think about the integrity of the community. That is assuming it really is most of the community and not just 20 people screaming loudly, causing problems.

[Pizzarugi]

The problem with focusing on PvP is gonna result in a massive influx of changes to just about everything, most likely which will involve nerfing.

 

How many people are going to flood the forums complaining about how quickly they're getting killed by other people using soma, acrid, etc?

[Virtus_Dei_Est]

so you make a post , but dont want to argue about it.

ok, is fine if a clan kick a player , is the clan choice to side one part or another, if you want to be a lone wolf, play solo.

DE, for what i understand, dont want pvp because almost every shooter out there is pvp and they want something different.

 

to not convert this in a text of wall:

 

this event is IMO the best so far, with all his flaws, but at least is a step in the right direction (and a way to distract the player base from the core problems of the game).

And the people that is shouting is because the faction they are supporting is losing, they only care about the loot not the lore, if you guarantee the prize no matter who side wins, everyone of those angry mercenaries will stay silent...

[Naftal]

The problem with focusing on PvP is gonna result in a massive influx of changes to just about everything, most likely which will involve nerfing.

 

How many people are going to flood the forums complaining about how quickly they're getting killed by other people using soma, acrid, etc?

PvP can be balanced seperately from PvE.

[CY13ERPUNK]

DE has ALWAYS intended for warframe to eventually have more PVP options

it just was not an early priority in the closed beta, and even in open beta it is low on the list of things that need more attention, it is good they added it however, so they can work on iterations down the road

"carebears" just like to *@##$ and moan about it usually, but that has nothing to do with DE's intent

and all the rage/hate is just misplaced, its a @(*()$ videogame, have fun or take a break, srsly (example: all the anti-pvp crap IN THE PVP FORUMS)

basically anyone who doesnt want to duel/conclave/whatevs, doesnt have to, so any complaints against the feature really hold zero merit

aside from that, i think the event is going fine, definitely DE is moving in the right direction, the next one will prolly be even more awesome

[Katakuna]

You call it degradation, I call it the community almost collectively being passionate about something in this game for once.

[Miose]

This cosmic dance of bursting decadence and withheld permissions twists all our arms collectively, but if sweetness can win, and it can, then I'll still be here tomorrow, to high five you yesterday my friend. Peace...

[Sophronius]

so you make a post , but dont want to argue about it.

ok, is fine if a clan kick a player , is the clan choice to side one part or another, if you want to be a lone wolf, play solo.

DE, for what i understand, dont want pvp because almost every shooter out there is pvp and they want something different.

 

to not convert this in a text of wall:

 

this event is IMO the best so far, with all his flaws, but at least is a step in the right direction (and a way to distract the player base from the core problems of the game).

And the people that is shouting is because the faction they are supporting is losing, they only care about the loot not the lore, if you guarantee the prize no matter who side wins, everyone of those angry mercenaries will stay silent...

lol

 

Looking for an argument? I'm not, that's my point.

 

I have a ghost clan which is currently capped on members, however each person in the clan are people I know IRL. We do things outside of Warframe. So no, I'm no lone wolf.

 

I had hoped that it would start a discussion. But I do not care for things that I am oh so wrong about, because I apparently always am. Therefore I am tired of speaking about it.

 

This event is the best in overall terms of ideas and most of it's execution. But the focus is about the community.

 

DE has ALWAYS intended for warframe to eventually have more PVP options

it just was not an early priority in the closed beta, and even in open beta it is low on the list of things that need more attention, it is good they added it however, so they can work on iterations down the road

"carebears" just like to $#*(@ and moan about it usually, but that has nothing to do with DE's intent

and all the rage/hate is just misplaced, its a @(*()$ videogame, have fun or take a break, srsly (example: all the anti-pvp crap IN THE PVP FORUMS)

basically anyone who doesnt want to duel/conclave/whatevs, doesnt have to, so any complaints against the feature really hold zero merit

aside from that, i think the event is going fine, definitely DE is moving in the right direction, the next one will prolly be even more awesome

Well I did say, "I think."

 

 

You call it degradation, I call it the community almost collectively being passionate about something in this game for once.

You can be passionate and yet still respect other players. Harassment and deliberate verbal confrontations are the problem.

[Pizzarugi]

and all the rage/hate is just misplaced, its a @(*()$ videogame, have fun or take a break, srsly (example: all the anti-pvp crap IN THE PVP FORUMS)

Have you heard the saying "You give an inch, and they walk all over you"? Its quite possible some dissenters are big on anti-PvP because once it becomes popular there's no telling what they will add next.

 

Picture the concept of the Gradivus operation, where you pick one side against the other. And then picture that the operation had a real wicked reward for each faction that is different from the other. Sounds too good to be true, doesn't it? Indeed so, because if you want to get your hands on that reward, you have to kill 50-100 players in PvP of equal conclave! If you're someone who absolutely hates PvP, or simply sucks at it, wouldn't you be a little bit mad that you can't compete in this for the reward?

 

I like to see myself as an unbiased person, so don't think I'm among those who hate PvP. I'm merely hypothesizing about why there is such hate.

[HomeyCDawg]

I dunno about you guys, but these event maps feel an awful lot like team deathmatch maps to me.

[fatpig84]

This event is a good thing for team greed.

 

Taters and completed clan mats everywhere man !

Even those 250k BPs.

[Lord_zasca]

pvp would be at its best if they took a leaf out of the original halo PCs book

 

Just imagine logging into warframe and seeing 2 options pvp or pve clicking pve would take you to the screen we all know and love but PVP would be different. a halo style screen where you could see different games going on CTF,slayer team death match lets say you pick one. befire you jump in your given details. your on the blue team you are playing as ___________  with these weapons_______________ . there could even be different load outs like in halo reach. they could go a step further and make vehicles and differnt game modes like ones where one team has to escort someone carrying the payload while the other team has to destroy the payload.

 

For this to happen the servers would have to be increased to support up to 20 people (max) but imagine the publicity it would get and it would be a BIG hit on ps4 

[Seanjuju]

We can have PVP when PVE is much much much more developed. Now isn't the time for Warframe to branch off. To be successful, I feel warframe needs a combination of traps, obstacles, labyrinths, puzzles, dozens more enemies, harder modes unlocked through mastery, clan invasions, and more event enemies (stalker). I also feel DE is starting to feel the design limitations of Peer-to-Peer. Warframe needs more foundation.  

 

There's no real issue with this event.   

[Stinker]

PvP can be balanced seperately from PvE.

 

The problem with focusing on PvP is gonna result in a massive influx of changes to just about everything, most likely which will involve nerfing.

 

How many people are going to flood the forums complaining about how quickly they're getting killed by other people using soma, acrid, etc?

 

pvp would be at its best if they took a leaf out of the original halo PCs book

 

Just imagine logging into warframe and seeing 2 options pvp or pve clicking pve would take you to the screen we all know and love but PVP would be different. a halo style screen where you could see different games going on CTF,slayer team death match lets say you pick one. befire you jump in your given details. your on the blue team you are playing as ___________  with these weapons_______________ . there could even be different load outs like in halo reach. they could go a step further and make vehicles and differnt game modes like ones where one team has to escort someone carrying the payload while the other team has to destroy the payload.

 

For this to happen the servers would have to be increased to support up to 20 people (max) but imagine the publicity it would get and it would be a BIG hit on ps4 

 I have made a suggestion that addresses all of this :D

Maybe take a look, drop some opinions, give it some publicity? Maybe we can get some PvP us non duelists can enjoy.

https://forums.warframe.com/index.php?/topic/120831-i-dont-like-conclaves-but-i-do-like-pvp/#entry1420154

[shr0ud]

yeah actually it'd be great to be able to shoot people with Corpus badges on sight

[Lord_zasca]

 I have made a suggestion that addresses all of this :D

Maybe take a look, drop some opinions, give it some publicity? Maybe we can get some PvP us non duelists can enjoy.

https://forums.warframe.com/index.php?/topic/120831-i-dont-like-conclaves-but-i-do-like-pvp/#entry1420154

Lol its exacly wat im saying

[CY13ERPUNK]

Have you heard the saying "You give an inch, and they walk all over you"? Its quite possible some dissenters are big on anti-PvP because once it becomes popular there's no telling what they will add next.

 

Picture the concept of the Gradivus operation, where you pick one side against the other. And then picture that the operation had a real wicked reward for each faction that is different from the other. Sounds too good to be true, doesn't it? Indeed so, because if you want to get your hands on that reward, you have to kill 50-100 players in PvP of equal conclave! If you're someone who absolutely hates PvP, or simply sucks at it, wouldn't you be a little bit mad that you can't compete in this for the reward?

 

I like to see myself as an unbiased person, so don't think I'm among those who hate PvP. I'm merely hypothesizing about why there is such hate.

i hear ya

slippery slope

it's a logical fallacy (well it can be used properly, but often it is not)

look it up, not trying to be mean, just pointing out yer thinking is flawed

Edited October 29, 2013 by CY13ERPUNK

[Khranitel]

OP, this community degradation had started way before this event.

Compared to CBT times and just after it, it became younger, and therefore more toxic and bully.

This is inevitable consequence of this game becoming bigger and well-known.

Only answer to this should be more strict moderation of this forums. DE started to move this way, but suffered a massive backslash from some older (and vocal) community members, who thinks they're still in same ol' community with ponies and flowers everywhere.

[Naqel]

The problem with focusing on PvP is gonna result in a massive influx of changes to just about everything, most likely which will involve nerfing.

 

How many people are going to flood the forums complaining about how quickly they're getting killed by other people using soma, acrid, etc?

 

Being able to support a PvP mode with no special restrictions is a sign of a healthy and balanced game.

If anything, PvP oriented nerfs to EVERYTHING, would make the game better off in the long run.

 

Sure, some babies will whine for a while, but personally I would be perfectly fine with being able to shoot things, instead of watching the xp numbers pop up en masse whenever one of those babies(running a nova or a rhino) hits 4 on their keyboards killing everything instantly.

[Sixty5]

Most of that faction stuff is people getting into the spirit of things and riling each other up. This is still a nice place to be.

[bejuizb]

The degradation is to be expected I suppose. Anger and passion fuel hatred and all sorts of crap. Just let the event end and they'll probably simmer down. Most of the whiners barely even know the sheer amount of work it takes to create such events. The player base needs to grow up and learn to live with what they have. Kindness and honesty goes a long way. That's what I've learned from reading the forums in the past few months. Anger and malice get's no one anywhere except hogging a small section of the forums with people like me telling them to calm down. The amount of negativity in the community nowadays is really getting out of hand and is quite disheartening to see. 

 

I personally feel that the developers are much more serious about upping the quality of the game now more than ever. The slew of recent fixes has addressed bugs more than adding new content. 

 

Also, testing something out after a change is better than just reading patch notes and going all caps and screaming conspiracy.

[shr0ud]

Most of that faction stuff is people getting into the spirit of things and riling each other up. This is still a nice place to be.

yeah come on at the end of the day it's just text on a screen and one map you do over and over to feel superior than the other guy doing the same map over and over again

 

it is just fun to put some meaning into it than just 'hey they're giving away a lot of potatoes huh, but maybe I'll keep my Corpus runs 0 just to show off something'

 

in a sense, no one really loses this event.

the greedy people who don't really care about the factions get all their potatoes, the prideful people get some bragging rights, the people who supported the losing faction still get some rewards.

 

and before you complain about muh Detron and muh Prova, they'll be available some time in the future. DE would have to be crazy not to put something they worked on in the game just because you can only have one side win for now.

[Dogoframe]

Being able to support a PvP mode with no special restrictions is a sign of a healthy and balanced game.

If anything, PvP oriented nerfs to EVERYTHING, would make the game better off in the long run.

 

Sure, some babies will whine for a while, but personally I would be perfectly fine with being able to shoot things, instead of watching the xp numbers pop up en masse whenever one of those babies(running a nova or a rhino) hits 4 on their keyboards killing everything instantly.

You see, that is exactly why some people will immediately go NOOOOOOOOOOO on PVP suggestions/threads in a PVE focused game. The general mentality of people who like PVP (obviously not evey single one, but at least the most vocal) is that whoever doesnt is a crybaby carebear. This never have nor will ever help you get your points accross, no matter how solid they are.

 

On "PvP balance being a sign of a healthy game", instead of insults and theory crafting I give you this: Neverwinter Nights.

 

Made with a focus on PVE and party play, absolutely broken for PVP without modifications. The game was released in 1998, its darn ugly compared to today's standards, and there are over 2000 people playing it (that's online, who know how many offline) as I type this to you.

 

If a company sticks to their vision, and in this case DE's vision already proved to be more than a little attractive to the vast majority of us, that makes for a healthier game than one that just gives players more of the same. Especially when there are many titles in the market that give PvPers more playtime than they can handle in a lifetime.

Edited October 29, 2013 by Dogoframe

[BETAOPTICS]

Nah, the day that happens. I think 50% of the playerbase leaves or in any case, the playebase will be very unsatisfied.