-FCG-LooTenant Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 While you can now cast other abilities after using null star, you're still unable to recast it or activate neutron star augment for a couple seconds and says "ability in use". 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zodryn Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 Between this icd and the delay for wormhole and mprime hold cast her whole kit definitely feels more sluggish. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xazur Posted October 3 Share Posted October 3 Yeah, this is the first thing I immediately noticed after also trying my Titania Null Star build. I read the hotfix notes regarding Null Star causing a delay when casting other abilities. So I am not sure if this is part of the problem. But this delay between castings of Null Star was never documented in the notes. So I am going to assume it's a bug. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-FCG-LooTenant Posted October 3 Author Share Posted October 3 1 hour ago, Xazur said: Yeah, this is the first thing I immediately noticed after also trying my Titania Null Star build. I read the hotfix notes regarding Null Star causing a delay when casting other abilities. So I am not sure if this is part of the problem. But this delay between castings of Null Star was never documented in the notes. So I am going to assume it's a bug. Yeah this basically kills null star titania. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xazur Posted October 4 Share Posted October 4 Well this new hotfix didn't fix the casting delay, so maybe it's intended. If so, Null Star build might be put away. The dps only seems effective for level 1-30ish enemies. Anything higher and it's just not worth waiting for the delay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redrigoth Posted October 4 Share Posted October 4 Lot of bugs. I kind of don't want to touch the game until they are resolved. Feels like walking on eggshells for some reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[DE]Taylor Posted October 4 Share Posted October 4 Hi Tenno, confirming this delay on recasting Nullstar is by-design to avoid issues caused by spamming. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleLeoniePrime Posted October 4 Share Posted October 4 9 minutes ago, [DE]Taylor said: Hi Tenno, confirming this delay on recasting Nullstar is by-design to avoid issues caused by spamming. what do you mean by "issues caused by spamming"? are you able to elaborate? also is the wormhole cast delay able to be looked into/removed at all? some kinda for MP, hold to cast feels kinda weird I think a lot of people much rather have a hold to swap between slow/speed then tap to cast functionality on this than what it currently is. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazywolfpusher Posted October 4 Share Posted October 4 (edited) Issues caused by spamming? before the lite rework, Null Star was spammable with the augment, what changed so suddenly that require a cast delay now? Edited October 4 by crazywolfpusher 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drakefrostex Posted October 4 Share Posted October 4 2 hours ago, [DE]Taylor said: confirming this delay on recasting Nullstar is by-design to avoid issues caused by spamming If this is intentional, can we please have some kind of indicator here? Alternatively, restrict Null Star recasting (except the augment) so that Null Star can’t be recasted with it’s charge below maxed. Use (visible) duration delay for (maxed) augmented Null Star. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voltage Posted October 4 Share Posted October 4 (edited) 3 hours ago, [DE]Taylor said: Hi Tenno, confirming this delay on recasting Nullstar is by-design to avoid issues caused by spamming. Is there a way we can have an open conversation with elaboration on what these "issues" are? The ability had no performance problems being spammed before, so I wouldn't buy that explanation like what happened with Sleight of Hand. Speaking of Mirage, if this is a balance decision, can we get the Mirage treatment where this "nerf delay" is only on Subsumed Null Star? I swear Null Star and Nova specifically is the only thing balanced around other Warframes using Helminth. The Neutron Star Augment was nerfed once before because of Helminth usage (Titania, Limbo, Harrow, Trinity, and similar Warframes could self-sustain nuke without the limitations Nova has present), and balancing Nova around how other Warframes can use this ability would be a huge mistake if the case here. Edited October 4 by Voltage 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoruBoru Posted October 4 Share Posted October 4 3 hours ago, [DE]Taylor said: Hi Tenno, confirming this delay on recasting Nullstar is by-design to avoid issues caused by spamming. When thermal sunder nerf? 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Divine6921 Posted October 4 Share Posted October 4 yes remove the ability to spam nullstar Thermal sunderer on the other hand feel free to perma spam it 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voltage Posted October 4 Share Posted October 4 Just now, BoruBoru said: When thermal sunder nerf? And Razorwing Blitz. Seriously. Escape Velocity doesn't scale with Strength, while Razorwing Blitz does. Null Star has a casting delay, because Titania can spam it more effectively than Nova. Neutron Star has Line of Sight, because Titania (among other Warframes) nuked maps more effectively than Nova. Wormhole has a new added casting delay, meanwhile Razorwing Blitz can be stacked extremely fast with abilities like Pull. It's getting a bit irritating of the state of Nova that is clearly because of Razorwing Blitz and Helminth. I'd argue Razorwing Blitz is more of an outlier in player speed and damages the game more than Itzal's Blink ever did in Warframe. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-FCG-LooTenant Posted October 4 Author Share Posted October 4 3 hours ago, [DE]Taylor said: Hi Tenno, confirming this delay on recasting Nullstar is by-design to avoid issues caused by spamming. Can you elaborate what issues? Spamming it never caused any issues before. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crisp Posted October 4 Share Posted October 4 3 hours ago, [DE]Taylor said: Hi Tenno, confirming this delay on recasting Nullstar is by-design to avoid issues caused by spamming. As I suspected.. I was right in my own Nova feedback post about this which saddens me. Could you possibly elaborate on what kinda spamming we are talking about? This has never been addressed as an issue before the "rework". This is the only Warframe in the game who's base kit is affected by the subsume abilities performance on other Warframes such as Harrow and Titania. This is honestly such a bad path to go down when trying to balance the ability by making the base kit feel awful instead of adjusting the helminth abilities version with a delay. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(NSW)Master2873 Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 (edited) 13 hours ago, [DE]Taylor said: Hi Tenno, confirming this delay on recasting Nullstar is by-design to avoid issues caused by spamming. Okay, then I fully expect to see a nerf to Thermal Sunder, and Ember's 4 then too for the same reasons. These 2 abilities are FAR more disruptive than Null Stars, as I couldn't even get Koumei's 4 out in SO/ESO before an Ember was able to cast her 4 for the 10th time in 5 seconds destroying enemies in my LoS making me WASTE energy, and unable to finish challenges for her 2. Edited October 5 by (NSW)Master2873 Missed some info, and was added. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
--UMBRA--BakedCookie Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 Am 4.10.2024 um 02:08 schrieb Xazur: Well this new hotfix didn't fix the casting delay, so maybe it's intended. If so, Null Star build might be put away. The dps only seems effective for level 1-30ish enemies. Anything higher and it's just not worth waiting for the delay. Try it on hildryn. I play this on level cap with her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloop Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 19 hours ago, [DE]Taylor said: Hi Tenno, confirming this delay on recasting Nullstar is by-design to avoid issues caused by spamming. Could we get some timer indicating this function? It's fine to keep in mind but I think most would appreciate if we had a timer showing when we can recast the ability. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zodryn Posted October 7 Share Posted October 7 On 2024-10-04 at 9:40 AM, [DE]Taylor said: Hi Tenno, confirming this delay on recasting Nullstar is by-design to avoid issues caused by spamming. If it needs a cooldown can it at least be shorter like 1s instead of 2.5? It just feel awful. Other similar abilities aren't restricted like this and neither was neutron star pre rework. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xazur Posted October 7 Share Posted October 7 On 2024-10-04 at 10:09 PM, --UMBRA--BakedCookie said: Try it on hildryn. I play this on level cap with her. Yeah, I saw a video of Nova with Pillage build and it seemed to work good. So I might also try this. Though it seems grouping up enemies is required. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xazur Posted October 7 Share Posted October 7 Guess we should all be writing feedback on the Nova rework subforum and get them to change the casting delay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eli_Beeblebrox Posted October 11 Share Posted October 11 On 2024-10-04 at 10:40 AM, [DE]Taylor said: Hi Tenno, confirming this delay on recasting Nullstar is by-design to avoid issues caused by spamming. Thanks for responding! It's great to have an answer, but can we get some confirmation on intent to fix whatever issue this is? Nova's build variety skyrocketed with this rework, and now I have a config slot collecting dust. Even in content where it works, it just feels too bad to use. Would be nice to know if I should move on or wait for a fix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
--UMBRA--BakedCookie Posted October 12 Share Posted October 12 Am 4.10.2024 um 17:40 schrieb [DE]Taylor: Hi Tenno, confirming this delay on recasting Nullstar is by-design to avoid issues caused by spamming. Yep, thx for #*!%ing up whole builds. You rly like to #*!% with ur comunity, right? No wonder vets leaving this game left and right, and only new players flood it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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