Namacyst Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 27% more Rifle Damage vs. 30% less Enemy Armor Let's talk about effects and scaling at low, mid and lategame. Usefullness vs. Enemy types. Your opinions? /discuss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deaths.Reap3r Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 (edited) Rifle amp Energy Siphon Edited March 8, 2014 by Deaths.Reap3r Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ss4chris Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 steel charge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katinka Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 I was thinking about this recently but never got round to doing any maths to find out an actual answer. I decided to go for Corrosive Projection because it benefits secondaries and powers as well but only in T3 missions where Gunners and Lancers take an age to kill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syzodia Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 27% more Rifle Damage vs. 30% less Enemy Armor Let's talk about effects and scaling at low, mid and lategame. Usefullness vs. Enemy types. Your opinions? /discuss Rifle damage is generally better, i think, unless you have all 4 tenno stack corrosive projection. You should also consider whether you use your secondary a fair bit (e.g. brakk), because rifle amp won't work for that. Oh, and melee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sea_Wall Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 Corrosive projection. Not every team mate has a rifle or is always using their primary. Corrosive projection also helps your skills do more DMG as well. However Rifle amp is better against infested as they have no armor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
--MANA-- Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 would love to answer but im not a nerd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darzk Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 (edited) Corrosive Projection is farrrrr better against mid-high level grineer, and even arguably in the Void. Better for Grineer units, but obv worse for Corpus/Ancients. Rifle Amp stacks additively with Serration and Heavy Cal, making it only worth about 10% damage at the best (6% at worst). It only works on rifles (not snipers or shotguns anymore) and wont effect powers. Corrosive Projection is a significant increase in damage to any armored enemy (read: Grineer, Bosses) and works with all damage types. Edited March 8, 2014 by Darzk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darzk Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 (edited) For example, a Grineer with 500 armor would reduce damage done to ~37.5%. A Grineer with 350 armor (30% less) will only reduce damage done to 46%. Increasing damage done from 37.5% to 46% is an increase of ~22%. And 500 armor is reached by level 15 or so. At 100 armor, base for most Grineer, CP is around +8% damage. Still, imo, better than Rifle Amp. Edited March 8, 2014 by Darzk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gr3vi3R Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 Energy Siphon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sewens Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 Gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xkillo32 Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 (edited) is it possible for the grineers to have 0 armor? i mean with all 4 stacked u have 120% armor reduction Edited March 8, 2014 by xkillo32 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadAimbot Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 (edited) They use different polarities. If you're gonna Forma the slot just take Energy Siphon. is it possible for the grineers to have 0% armor? i mean with all 4 stacked u have 120% armor reduction It's more likely to be a multiplicative stacking, aka 0.7 ^ 4 = .24, or a 76% Armor reduction. Edited March 8, 2014 by BadAimbot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Namacyst Posted March 8, 2014 Author Share Posted March 8, 2014 Energy Siphon Nice of you to bring it up because this is essentially the reason why i made this Topic. Energy Siphon and Corrosive Projection share the same polarity and since i use damage abilities alot it's nice to be able to swap more energy for more damage once in a while. For example, a Grineer with 500 armor would reduce damage done to ~37.5%. A Grineer with 350 armor (30% less) will only reduce damage done to 46%. Increasing damage done from 37.5% to 46% is an increase of ~22%. And 500 armor is reached by level 15 or so. At 100 armor, base for most Grineer, CP is around +8% damage. Still, imo, better than Rifle Amp. Thank you for doing some math here (i suck at it). This explanation is exactly what i was looking for and supports me in my decision to Forma a "-" Aura Polarity on almost every frame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(NSW)Omgwtfl9lbbl Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 Rifle Amp is not that good when there is only one person using it. Assuming you have a maxed out Serration, a single Rifle Amp is only about a 10% increase in damage, and that's only if people are using weapons affected by Rifle Amp. If you are one of those using a maxed Heavy Caliber as well, it's only about a 6% increase in damage. If you get 4 people stacking up on Rifle Amp, that's a potential 24-40% increase, which is better, but of course requires you to sacrifice all your auras for it. Assuming a level 30 Napalm (~1150 armor) and completely neutral damage, you will be dealing only 20.6% of your original damage. Applying a single Corrosive Projection aura will allow you to do 27.1% instead, an increase of 31% damage over Rifle Amp's 6-10%, or from another view, an extra 19% damage if you replace your single Rifle Amp with Corrosive Projection (assuming only Serration and single Rifle Amp). As your armored targets continue to scale, Corrosive Projection will become more effective in comparison to Rifle Amp, as well. And of course, Corrosive Projection benefits more than just those primaries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Etsoree Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 Rifle Amp. Not every enemy has "armor". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darzk Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 IMO the ideal setup for Grineer is 3x Corrosive Projection and 1x Rejuv. Those freaking Bleeds. You can reduce them to 0 armor, but dont go to 120%. It gets wierd and buggy, sometimes amping damage by rediculous amounts, but sometimes making units invincible. Dont think they ever fixed this. CP>ES for Grineer any day; just kill more stuff and get orbs. ES is only good if you're killing slowly (etc solo) or not using Fleeting Expertise for max duration builds. Feel free to forma away your V polarity auras. But please people, consider keeping your D polarities on non-healing frames. Your teammates will love you for it when facing Grineer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Namacyst Posted March 8, 2014 Author Share Posted March 8, 2014 Rifle Amp. Not every enemy has "armor". Enemies without Armor die fast even without Rifle Amp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrozenFate Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 Corrosive Projection if you're planning multi-hour long session survivals with Grineer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PacificMarine Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 Sprint boost+loki Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatpig84 Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 Sprint boost+loki Totally legit way to play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tulzscha Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 Moved to the proper section. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noble_Cactus Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 IMO the ideal setup for Grineer is 3x Corrosive Projection and 1x Rejuv. Those freaking Bleeds. You can reduce them to 0 armor, but dont go to 120%. It gets wierd and buggy, sometimes amping damage by rediculous amounts, but sometimes making units invincible. Dont think they ever fixed this. CP>ES for Grineer any day; just kill more stuff and get orbs. ES is only good if you're killing slowly (etc solo) or not using Fleeting Expertise for max duration builds. Feel free to forma away your V polarity auras. But please people, consider keeping your D polarities on non-healing frames. Your teammates will love you for it when facing Grineer. My only issue with Rejuv is that it doesn't tick if you are currently under a DoT. It reactivates once the DoT wears off, though I suppose this makes it valuable for downtime between fighting stuff or when traveling from place to place. If you have a Trinity, you probably won't need Energy Siphon OR Rejuv, especially if you're carrying some Team Restores with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Methanoid Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 Rifle amp scales with your weapon damage which is static once youve max'd it. Corrosive Projection scales with enemy level, which imho makes it more useful in the long run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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27% more Rifle Damage vs. 30% less Enemy Armor
Let's talk about effects and scaling at low, mid and lategame.
Usefullness vs. Enemy types.
Your opinions?
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