Rhundis Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 No offense to DE but I'm not too thrilled with the current changes to frost's snow globe. I understand that adding health to his globe does change his play style to a more active roll, but keeping the timer as well? Quite honestly, if your gonna make something have health get rid of it's duration timer, if it doesn't have health use a timer. Having both does not make me feel all warm and gooey. Your technically waisting potential energy if your globe stays out and isn't destroyed, or just disappears right before a new wave of enemies appear. But whatever to my yappin', what do you guys think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salenstormwing Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 The timer means NOTHING. I've spawned multiple snow globes before the time has reset with Snow Globe. It means nothing. Also, Frost is super awesome. It's not a bunker down frame anymore. You actually have to be somewhat proactive. Also, the attacks for him are boss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IANOBW Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 Give his other powers a go. I felt like this at first, thinking that it was all over for Frost, but then I realised that ice wave is now amazing and so is his ult. It really makes up for it, and to be honest, the change in snowglobe is only really noticeable if you are fighting against level 50+ enemies. The thing that realy needs a change is his movement speed. DE, spice that S#&$ up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vargras Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 New Snow Globe is kinda like Nyx's Absorb now. Your team mates blast it during the invulnerability period, which buffs up the health even more, and then you're set. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mcl_Blue Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 New Snow Globe is kinda like Nyx's Absorb now. Your team mates blast it during the invulnerability period, which buffs up the health even more, and then you're set. Warframe Wiki says friendly fire doesn't work on Snow Globe like it does on Absorb, only enemy fire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoGicMoTion Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 Frost will sit in my inventory. Looking fanstatic is his only job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IANOBW Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 Frost will sit in my inventory. Looking fanstatic is his only job. Someone forgot about corpus defence/mobile defence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoGicMoTion Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 Someone forgot about corpus defence/mobile defence. Anything frost can do, vauban can do better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morec0 Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 I think that it should move with Frost like the new barrier leaders, but that's just me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trololol97 Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 Anything frost can do, vauban can do better. i don't see a prime vauban anywhere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vargras Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 Anything frost can do, vauban can do better. Vauban can't stop bullets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingTaro Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 The current Snow Globe can still be amazing if used right. The first 4 sec, it will absorb all the incoming damage and then turn it into health. So, at wave 100 the absorbed damage will be much greater as well. Meaning that this skill scales very well. In theorie, you could depend on it for 10 solid sec. Now that we're no longer aiming for it to last 30 sec, you can use Fleeting Expertise without any other duration mods. That could leave you 3 mod slots to put some other stuff. In short, you can still have your invincible Snow Globe, but for more energy. It's the same thing they did with Vaubans Bastile. Yes, we had some rage on the forums when they nerfed it, but at the end, it is still doing wonders. Besides, the reason why the snow globe can't have its duration removed completely is because you'd end up with "trolls" covering the whole map in Snow Globes. Having said that, I'm not against the idea of reverting this whole Snow Globe change, nor do I mind this change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoGicMoTion Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 Vauban can't stop bullets. i don't see a prime vauban anywhere Well i guess frost can stop bullets for about .5 of a second. you know unless your on mercury... Vauban doesn't need a prime #boobenforpresident2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darzk Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 Anything frost can do, loki and vauban can do better. Fixed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhundis Posted March 17, 2014 Author Share Posted March 17, 2014 The current Snow Globe can still be amazing if used right. The first 4 sec, it will absorb all the incoming damage and then turn it into health. So, at wave 100 the absorbed damage will be much greater as well. Meaning that this skill scales very well. In theorie, you could depend on it for 10 solid sec. Now that we're no longer aiming for it to last 30 sec, you can use Fleeting Expertise without any other duration mods. That could leave you 3 mod slots to put some other stuff. In short, you can still have your invincible Snow Globe, but for more energy. It's the same thing they did with Vaubans Bastile. Yes, we had some rage on the forums when they nerfed it, but at the end, it is still doing wonders. Besides, the reason why the snow globe can't have its duration removed completely is because you'd end up with "trolls" covering the whole map in Snow Globes. Having said that, I'm not against the idea of reverting this whole Snow Globe change, nor do I mind this change. I'm not against it either, just disappointed. But to stop trolls you could limit the amount of globes you can have, that would stop people from spamming them all over the map. And even then they wouldn't last long anyway in a firefight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tulzscha Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 Moved to the proper section. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nekrojiji Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 (edited) Snow globe is just fine where it is ....maybe some more number tweaks are posible, but I'm very happy with it. Now Frost must know when to put it down for maximum efficiency. This will make the difference between a good Frost and a great Frost. Edited March 18, 2014 by nekrojiji Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalu__Ka Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 Snow globe is just fine where it is ....maybe some more number tweaks are posible, but I'm very happy with it. Now Frost must know when to put it down for maximum efficiency. This will make the difference between a good Frost and a great Frost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tris1 Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 Yes its in a better position since they first nerfed it however still needs a few tweaks such as remove timer but limit number of globes to 4-5 maximum, also add the effect of once its destroyed it freezes targets around the globe within 5 meters or increase the range of the slow the bigger the globe gets but the slow is weaker the further away from the middle I would say these would then put frost in a better position as currently he has so many cons that include hes effected by Range Health Duration Power Armour Efficiency I dont see other frames with this many problems in one skill and since he cant really on any other of his abilitys I still say he needs theses options added or completly removed to create a better ability Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LukeAura Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 Frost can never be fixed the way his powers are designed currently. There are simply too many contradictions and issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vargras Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 Well i guess frost can stop bullets for about .5 of a second. you know unless your on mercury... Well, at least now we know you don't actually play Frost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tris1 Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 Frost can never be fixed the way his powers are designed currently. There are simply too many contradictions and issues. Could you possible explain or give some examples as im not sure what area your talking about eg: damage/targets/cc or totaly different Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vargras Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 Could you possible explain or give some examples as im not sure what area your talking about eg: damage/targets/cc or totaly different I think they're referring to the fact that, despite being designated a tank, Frost is now more of a caster than anything else, seeing as he really only has one defensive skill (Snow Globe) and the other three are basically just damage with minor CC. I'd argue that use of CC still qualifies as tanking, but that's just me. I also might be wrong about what they're even referring to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UghZug Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 Frost needs a complete rework, or a return to how he was before you started messing with globe. no bandaid fixes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vargras Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 Frost needs a complete rework, or a return to how he was before you started messing with globe. no bandaid fixes. So a complete rework (which isn't needed), or a revert to Snow Globe having no downsides at all, and Freeze, Ice Wave, and Avalanche hitting like wet noodles? No thanks. New Snow Globe is a step in the right direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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