DZ1JMeyer Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 Cicero wouldn't be an issue of debate if the regular status chance mods weren't complete and utter S#&$. I mean look at it. Rifle Aptitude - 9 Cost 15% Status vs. Thermite Rounds/High Voltage/Malignant Force - 7 Cost 60% Element DMG + Status Shotgun Spazz - 9 Cost 30% vs. Event 60% Element DMG + Status Melee Prowess - 7 Cost 15% Sure Shot - 7 Cost 15% Thanks to these event mods there is literally no reason to use the regular ones, plus the fact they pale in comparison. It would be a gross disservice if something that gamechanging wasn't universally available. This is what I was getting at before, when I was talking about game balancing. If you have powerful enough exclusives, then you end up with two fundamentally different pictures of what the playerbase can actually do: those with, and those without those exclusives. That either means challenges impossible for those without, or boring for those with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kartumterek Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 welfare relics of a bygone age being sold at the Dollar Tree... story at 11. /polishes original, pristine nonwelfare relics of a bygone age Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dehzittow Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 (edited) Exclusive = founders pack + prime acess acessories Anything else..... Btw i think the only "exclusive" stuff from events are the badges. Edited July 3, 2014 by dehzittow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubjectV Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 Sounds like OP spent 250 plat on cicero mods the day before corrupted vor came out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monybags33 Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 I get that supposed "Event Exclusive" gear should only be handed out by the people who had earned it and were present during that particular event. However I find it a great opportunity to give other people who were not into Warframe at the current time the chance to get this gear just as much as someone who started with Warframe from the begging. Its a bit strange and maybe disappointing for others who already achieved this weapon but so long as they do not just recycle old rewards always for new events I find it a good idea. Maybe in the future they should give away two rewards, a reward that's new for the current event and a weapon that's been out before in previous events that's much higher and harder to obtain. This way the vets feel like their old gear is worth something and the new players still get a chance on something they had missed before...its a thought but is see nothing wrong with this either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brimir Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 There's a bunch of stuff we can never get either because it's PC exclusive. I doubt some things will transfer over since it's just copying your PC account. Those things are not worth the price. Unbunch your panties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Lord_Gremlin Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 Those things are not worth the price. Unbunch your panties. It's more about Sony not S#&$ting on it's loyal customers than anything else. Supporting PS4 from day one you naturally expect everything they ever have to offer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brimir Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 (edited) It's more about Sony not S#&$ting on it's loyal customers than anything else. Supporting PS4 from day one you naturally expect everything they ever have to offer. I guess. Still, the stuff DE makes is far better than the overpriced re-skins you can get through Steam (40+ Euro for a Rubedo-plated set of Vipers). These things are not free. Edited July 3, 2014 by Brimir Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Lord_Gremlin Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 I guess. Still, the stuff DE makes is far better than the overpriced re-skins you can get through Steam (40+ Euro for a Rubedo-plated set of Vipers). These things are not free. You... Clearly not played enough F2P games. 40 euro is pocket change. And in fact being free cheapens the appeal. See, this is also applicable to why event items re-release is a hot topic. Like, with premium items I don't feel swapping ember prime avatar because it's the $150 (actually more expensive because SCEE) avatar on PS4, while Rhino and upcoming Loki avatars are cheaper. And same with event items. If they become more easily obtainable they lose the appeal because their essential "price" goes down. That said, while some of them like braton vandal can be brought back as noob quest awards something that required a lot of effort should retain that factor. Difficulty of acqusition, which equals value to a degree. I think putting Cicero mod on Void Vor was a great idea. Glad I had them all from event though, random grind is always worse... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brimir Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 40 euro for a single skin is not pocket change. You're off your rocker! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Lord_Gremlin Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 40 euro for a single skin is not pocket change. You're off your rocker! It really, really depends on perspective. Is 40 euro a lot for a single card in an online card game? It's pocket change once you look at total investment many a "F2P" game require. We talking 500+ euro a lot of the times... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brimir Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 A simple reskin is never ever worth 40 Euro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryjeon Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 Because exclusive gameplay altering items just don't make much sense in a video game. Suppose there was a power-up in super mario world only available for 3 months in 1997. From then on the game would always feel incomplete to anyone else that picked it up. It's not a perfect analogy. But I'm overjoyed that Equilibrium and the Cicero mods are acquirable through playing the game now. They open up important playstyle opportunities. Early Access or receiving the mods as a reward without farming is good enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Lord_Gremlin Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 A simple reskin is never ever worth 40 Euro. Hm, to that I will only reply that anything put on sale is worth exactly as much as people are willing to pay for it. And that is dictated by habits established around that sort of product. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkStryder Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 I am sure you'll be the first to not complain if they ever re-release Primed Chamber i believe they said they wanted to, just hat it had to be done under the correct circumstances Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Lord_Gremlin Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 i believe they said they wanted to, just hat it had to be done under the correct circumstances Like, after Sniper buff. Or Vectis Prime release. Because, you know, it's the only weapon using it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)The_Moustache Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 Those things are not worth the price. Unbunch your panties. Panties were never bunched, don't worry. I think all of the Steam skins are terrible and not worth anywhere near the prices people are selling them for. The only exclusive I've ever cared about was Excal Prime, and that's only because he's the best version of my favorite frame. Give me a Dragon/Dex Excal with more speed or power and I'll forget the Prime ever existed. Heck, just give me a normal looking Excal with those things and I'm happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Landar486 Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 Excalibur Prime was an exclusive item. Brakk was an event item and is still sort of an event item. (have to farm alerts in the hope to get a rare spawn group of non-pushovers to hopefully drop pieces of it.) There's a difference. If they choose to re-introduce event items, it's their discretion. Something specifically tagged as exclusive has a near zero chance of returning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoGicMoTion Posted July 4, 2014 Share Posted July 4, 2014 OP lit match with this thread and just ran off who does that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kartumterek Posted July 4, 2014 Share Posted July 4, 2014 Like, after Sniper buff. Or Vectis Prime release. Because, you know, it's the only weapon using it. why doesnt anyone even try to be logical in this game? THERE WONT BE A VECTIS PRIME. Its a Tenno weapon and not Orokin. Orokin=Prime. not anyone else. /sigh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CandyDragon Posted July 4, 2014 Share Posted July 4, 2014 why doesnt anyone even try to be logical in this game? THERE WONT BE A VECTIS PRIME. Its a Tenno weapon and not Orokin. Orokin=Prime. not anyone else. /sigh Braton Prime likes to argue this as its a corpus designed weapon. They do these primes at their leisure, not to some lore based reasoning. Slow your roll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judge_Hellboy Posted July 4, 2014 Share Posted July 4, 2014 (edited) Because they are NOT and never were EXCLUSIVE. Founders items are deemed exclusive and WILL NOT return. Everything else is meant to make a return to the game at some point. This means weapons, syandannas (perhaps not or just reskins) and even events (perhaps as core mission types) have the high possibility to return in some fashion. Exclusivity of possibly game play enhancing items while the game is in BETA is just poor design. The founders get their items due to the big risk they took with their wallet on something that doesn't even have a financial return for them. All else is fair play. Edited July 4, 2014 by Judge_Hellboy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kartumterek Posted July 4, 2014 Share Posted July 4, 2014 (edited) Braton Prime likes to argue this as its a corpus designed weapon. They do these primes at their leisure, not to some lore based reasoning. Slow your roll. Corpus version is an aftermarket cheap knockoff like every frame that isnt a Prime. there are very few Primeable weapons left as of right now. Only a few sidearms, no Primaries that I can think of. They got a nice amount of melee to work with its time for other manufacturers to showcase their goods. Primes are supposed to be hard to acquire and very valuable and expensive. Edited July 4, 2014 by Kartumterek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)The_Moustache Posted July 4, 2014 Share Posted July 4, 2014 why doesnt anyone even try to be logical in this game? THERE WONT BE A VECTIS PRIME. Its a Tenno weapon and not Orokin. Orokin=Prime. not anyone else. /sigh If any frame can be Primed like Rebecca said, then any weapon is probably fair game too. Remember, this is still a beta and things can change, including lore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KvotheTheArcane1 Posted July 4, 2014 Share Posted July 4, 2014 why doesnt anyone even try to be logical in this game? THERE WONT BE A VECTIS PRIME. Its a Tenno weapon and not Orokin. Orokin=Prime. not anyone else. /sigh "The term Prime refers to any weapon or warframe, or sentinel made with Orokin technology" http://warframe.wikia.com/wiki/Prime Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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