RoboDoge Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 So.... "They exploit, so I'll exploit too?" (I may not have understood properly, so in that case forgive me) Sorry, but doesn't that make you the same as them? Why should we have to degrade ourselves just to win? People have forgotten why we play games. It's to have FUN people, not JUST WIN. That attitude from people is why I quit LoL. I also play PvP for fun, and never concerned myself with winning that much. But you cannot force people to play how you want. If someone whats to use current meta to win and improve their statistics, it is their choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnthesteak87 Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 (edited) So.... "They exploit, so I'll exploit too?" (I may not have understood properly, so in that case forgive me) Sorry, but doesn't that make you the same as them? Why should we have to degrade ourselves just to win? People have forgotten why we play games. It's to have FUN people, not JUST WIN. That attitude from people is why I quit LoL. Internet is FULL of people in need of "Self Esteem", so they put their life on PVP videogames. Easiest way to satisfy personal Ego. To show theirselves they are worth something. It's a base of Survival Instinct. Derailed thanks to Internet. Edited July 28, 2014 by Burnthesteak87 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Somedude1000 Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 Anything lore breaking is bound to be awful is my motto :3 They will probs fix these issues, but spaw n camping etc is a part of many games. Hopefully our game doesn't have PvP become another CoD arena :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeitzbach Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 So.... "They exploit, so I'll exploit too?" (I may not have understood properly, so in that case forgive me) Sorry, but doesn't that make you the same as them? Why should we have to degrade ourselves just to win? People have forgotten why we play games. It's to have FUN people, not JUST WIN. That attitude from people is why I quit LoL. Sorry but victory decides who's on the high ground and who's eating the dirt. I have fun spawn killing everyone and making sure they can't enjoy the game. Welcome to PvP, players vs players as in "I drag you down and make sure you want to quit the game." You can be like those LoL players who only stick with bots while I go la la with the plat and diamond. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnthesteak87 Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 (edited) Sorry but victory decides who's on the high ground and who's eating the dirt. I have fun spawn killing everyone and making sure they can't enjoy the game. Welcome to PvP, players vs players as in "I drag you down and make sure you want to quit the game." You can be like those LoL players who only stick with bots while I go la la with the plat and diamond. Lol, total derailment of human values and ethic. "My Video Game reward testify I'm better than you so I can abuse you". LOL Your age? I can recommend a good psychologist. Edited July 28, 2014 by Burnthesteak87 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)DesecratedFlame Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 Lol, total derailment of human values and ethic. "My Video Game reward testify I'm better than you so I can abuse you". LOL Your age? I can recommend a good psychologist. The victor decides who was morally just is a common theme throughout human history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade343 Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 The victor decides who was morally just is a common theme throughout human history. That does not mean it is right. And with information communications technology becoming more and more widespread as of the 21st Century, the victor now does not always determine what is morally just, as a small video camera and an Internet connection (whether it is hacked or not does not matter) could just spread to the rest of the world to decide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnthesteak87 Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 (edited) The victor decides who was morally just is a common theme throughout human history. If "you" want to win like a corrupted politician, expect what "you" deserve. Anyway, again off topic. People tend to consider certain rules have to be applied everywhenre, just because they can't recognise that different environments require different rules. Applying Real Life rules to a Virtual Reality isn't smart nor appropriate. Edited July 28, 2014 by Burnthesteak87 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeitzbach Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 (edited) Lol, total derailment of human values and ethic. "My Video Game reward testify I'm better than you so I can abuse you". LOL Your age? I can recommend a good psychologist. I dunno, I am more worried that people would go far to try and attack the other side directly because they lost the game. The victor decides who was morally just is a common theme throughout human history. ^ Justice is Victory. That does not mean it is right. And with information communications technology becoming more and more widespread as of the 21st Century, the victor now does not always determine what is morally just, as a small video camera and an Internet connection (whether it is hacked or not does not matter) could just spread to the rest of the world to decide. True victor is the one that controls the information. Guess why the government can throw away anyone at ease and rarely lose unless they really mess up? Victory is temporary, Real Values and being respectable are for ever. If you want to win like a corrupt politician, expect some consequence. "You win in game so it means you cheat in real life" Not really. Smart people know when to cheat and when to not cheat. The reason I use these tricks is because they ARE ALLOWED. Unless DE states that they are a bannable offense, I will continue to abuse it. But hey, Mirage could go in and break core with HoM bug and still don't get banned so don't get your hope up. Edited July 28, 2014 by Einde Cleaned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade343 Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 True victor is the one that controls the information. Guess why the government can throw away anyone at ease and rarely lose unless they really mess up? And please explain the various phone video footages that show the brutality of the controlling government got into the Internet and spread around for other users to see, despite the Internet censorship enacted by the government. And as for China, people have already hacked through the firewalls set up by the Chinese government, so really, it is quite difficult to hide things from society nowadays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)DesecratedFlame Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 That does not mean it is right. And with information communications technology becoming more and more widespread as of the 21st Century, the victor now does not always determine what is morally just, as a small video camera and an Internet connection (whether it is hacked or not does not matter) could just spread to the rest of the world to decide. Yes, because the victor says so. Victory is temporary, Real Values and being Respectable are for ever. If "you" want to win like a corrupted politician, expect what "you" deserve. Morals are subjective and constantly changing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade343 Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 Yes, because the victor says so. Not if the rest of the world has any say, with drones and such nowadays checking up on various things and such. Before, yes, because transfer of information and checking it for validity was rather limited and such. Now, much more difficult. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnthesteak87 Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 @ZeitzbachI'm having big laughthers.Real World will reshape you when the time will come.Just have fun of your Alpha Nerd Pride until it lasts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeitzbach Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 @Zeitzbach I'm having big laughthers. Real World will reshape you when the time will come. Just have fun of your Alpha Nerd Pride until it lasts. It's kay, I learn from failures, not whine from failures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evanescent Posted July 28, 2014 Author Share Posted July 28, 2014 Where is ethics, in these people..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnthesteak87 Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 (edited) Can I suggest you this book?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord_of_the_FliesIt perfectly represents the Internet society. And these alike situations.People with no more rules, deterrents, objectives and dreams living just to satisfy their own necessities, fears, need of power, losing morality and ethic rules.The strong preying on the weak with no regret.Its a nice reading. Edited July 28, 2014 by Burnthesteak87 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evanescent Posted July 28, 2014 Author Share Posted July 28, 2014 Can I suggest you this book? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord_of_the_Flies It perfectly represents the Internet society. And these alike situations. I see your point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade343 Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 Can I suggest you this book? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord_of_the_Flies It perfectly represents the Internet society. And these alike situations. People with no more rules, deterrents, objectives and dreams living just to satisfy their own necessities, fears, need of power, losing morality and ethic rules. The strong preying on the weak with no regret. Its a nice reading. This book. Very good read, if I have to say. I remember getting off into another viewpoint about it, but I kind of forget what was it. May need to dig around in my notes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LascarCapable Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 Thread seems derailed. Locking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evanescent Posted July 28, 2014 Author Share Posted July 28, 2014 As for the "Victor says so" argument...... My ethnic group has been persecuted for a long time. Others killed us, raped our mothers and sisters, butchered our children, snatched our land. They attacked us without provocation and were 'victors'. So you're basically saying they were right to do so all because they were 'victors'? I'm really sorry. Your comment feels insulting to all those people. Just because it's a video game doesn't mean you can chuck ethics out..... Again, I find your comment thoroughly insensitive and insulting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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