Valkyr Prime

[arch111]

This debate stems from the confusion of Tenno/frame. Where to draw the line

If Valkyr post corpus, is a trauma victim then all warframes have an Tenno Imprint that store their neurological data : personality, powers, quirks, streangth and memory.

In this case pre corpus Valkyr will have its own imprint - own imprint and purpose.

She had a Commander setup; strong moral boosting power, and crippling stunner, most if all an unstoppable force in hand to hand combat, likely leading the Tenno like the Tip of the Spear.

I seem to recall her once being noble, kind and calm.

[Elenortirie]

This debate stems from the confusion of Tenno/frame. Where to draw the line

If Valkyr post corpus, is a trauma victim then all warframes have an Tenno Imprint that store their neurological data : personality, powers, quirks, streangth and memory.

In this case pre corpus Valkyr will have its own imprint - own imprint and purpose.

She had a Commander setup; strong moral boosting power, and crippling stunner, most if all an unstoppable force in hand to hand combat, likely leading the Tenno like the Tip of the Spear.

I seem to recall her once being noble, kind and calm.

 

We have quite similar imagination of pre-corpus (or even prime) valkyr :)

[Paxcon]

A prime valkyr is perfectly possible, but she would be different from the valkyr we know. Not the enraged/tortured being she is now.

[PsychedelicSnake]

It's getting pretty absurd how much misinformation is spreading about Valkyr, the Primes, and the more recent Warframes in general. It's getting worrisome, in fact, that people are believing the misinformation without bothering to do the research about how this works themselves. 

 

First of all, we have this quote from DERebecca, stating that all Warframes after Vauban are eligible to be Primed:

 

And then we have Valkyr's Codex Entry, which states:

 

Finally, we have the Gradivus Dilemma, which goes into detail as to how the entire conflict had started in the first place:

Intel shows a growing conflict that will begin on Gradivus in Mars. Expect it to spread. The Grineer are planning an operation against the Corpus lead by Sargas Ruk. Alad V of the Corpus has discovered a cache of Tenno in cryosleep and intends on exploiting them for his secret weapons project. The Grineer are outraged at this contract violation. They are using this as an excuse to invade Corpus space, enslave the local population, and grow their power.

 

While that first part is important, it's the second and third parts that completely and utterly disprove the statement that Valkyr cannot be Primed. First off, it is stated that Valkyr was forged in the labs of the Zanuka Project. Okay, that first part can be confusing to people. That's understandable. But then the part literally immediately after explains it, stating "the original Valkyr was subject to cruel experiments". See the key word there? Original. Meaning that when the Corpus made Valkyr what she is now, she was not always this way. Meaning she was not created by the Corpus, merely molded into the little ball of rage she is now.

 

And then there's the final spoiler, which contains the information about the Gradivus Dilemma. The key part of the background to the conflict stating "Alad V of the Corpus has discovered a cache of Tenno in cryosleep and intends on exploiting them for his secret weapons project". The Corpus had found caches of cryopods containing sleeping Tenno, which he then took back to Jupiter to experiment on. It can be assumed through this implication (and I admit, it seems to only be an implication) that some of the Tenno he found were some of the original Valkyr(s?), meaning, once again, the Corpus did not actually manufacture and create Valkyr, but only shaped her into what she is now. Meaning that Valkyr is completely eligible to be Primed.

[Paxcon]

 

It's getting pretty absurd how much misinformation is spreading about Valkyr, the Primes, and the more recent Warframes in general. It's getting worrisome, in fact, that people are believing the misinformation without bothering to do the research about how this works themselves. 

 

First of all, we have this quote from DERebecca, stating that all Warframes after Vauban are eligible to be Primed:

 

And then we have Valkyr's Codex Entry, which states:

 

Finally, we have the Gradivus Dilemma, which goes into detail as to how the entire conflict had started in the first place:

Intel shows a growing conflict that will begin on Gradivus in Mars. Expect it to spread. The Grineer are planning an operation against the Corpus lead by Sargas Ruk. Alad V of the Corpus has discovered a cache of Tenno in cryosleep and intends on exploiting them for his secret weapons project. The Grineer are outraged at this contract violation. They are using this as an excuse to invade Corpus space, enslave the local population, and grow their power.

 

While that first part is important, it's the second and third parts that completely and utterly disprove the statement that Valkyr cannot be Primed. First off, it is stated that Valkyr was forged in the labs of the Zanuka Project. Okay, that first part can be confusing to people. That's understandable. But then the part literally immediately after explains it, stating "the original Valkyr was subject to cruel experiments". See the key word there? Original. Meaning that when the Corpus made Valkyr what she is now, she was not always this way. Meaning she was not created by the Corpus, merely molded into the little ball of rage she is now.

 

And then there's the final spoiler, which contains the information about the Gradivus Dilemma. The key part of the background to the conflict stating "Alad V of the Corpus has discovered a cache of Tenno in cryosleep and intends on exploiting them for his secret weapons project". The Corpus had found caches of cryopods containing sleeping Tenno, which he then took back to Jupiter to experiment on. It can be assumed through this implication (and I admit, it seems to only be an implication) that some of the Tenno he found were some of the original Valkyr(s?), meaning, once again, the Corpus did not actually manufacture and create Valkyr, but only shaped her into what she is now. Meaning that Valkyr is completely eligible to be Primed.

 

post full of thruth right there.

[HAYABU5A]

 

It's getting pretty absurd how much misinformation is spreading about Valkyr, the Primes, and the more recent Warframes in general. It's getting worrisome, in fact, that people are believing the misinformation without bothering to do the research about how this works themselves. 

 

First of all, we have this quote from DERebecca, stating that all Warframes after Vauban are eligible to be Primed:

 

And then we have Valkyr's Codex Entry, which states:

 

Finally, we have the Gradivus Dilemma, which goes into detail as to how the entire conflict had started in the first place:

Intel shows a growing conflict that will begin on Gradivus in Mars. Expect it to spread. The Grineer are planning an operation against the Corpus lead by Sargas Ruk. Alad V of the Corpus has discovered a cache of Tenno in cryosleep and intends on exploiting them for his secret weapons project. The Grineer are outraged at this contract violation. They are using this as an excuse to invade Corpus space, enslave the local population, and grow their power.

 

While that first part is important, it's the second and third parts that completely and utterly disprove the statement that Valkyr cannot be Primed. First off, it is stated that Valkyr was forged in the labs of the Zanuka Project. Okay, that first part can be confusing to people. That's understandable. But then the part literally immediately after explains it, stating "the original Valkyr was subject to cruel experiments". See the key word there? Original. Meaning that when the Corpus made Valkyr what she is now, she was not always this way. Meaning she was not created by the Corpus, merely molded into the little ball of rage she is now.

 

And then there's the final spoiler, which contains the information about the Gradivus Dilemma. The key part of the background to the conflict stating "Alad V of the Corpus has discovered a cache of Tenno in cryosleep and intends on exploiting them for his secret weapons project". The Corpus had found caches of cryopods containing sleeping Tenno, which he then took back to Jupiter to experiment on. It can be assumed through this implication (and I admit, it seems to only be an implication) that some of the Tenno he found were some of the original Valkyr(s?), meaning, once again, the Corpus did not actually manufacture and create Valkyr, but only shaped her into what she is now. Meaning that Valkyr is completely eligible to be Primed.

 

one problem

 

that means the original valkyr would have completely different set of skills and different appearance to our current valkyr since our current valkyr is a product of corpus intervention

 

her skills and appearance are due to what was done to her, there is no way to argue around this

so sure dig up the ancient orokin made valkyr prime but too bad its impossible for her to be the same as the current valkyr 

(unless there is a time travel device involved or the orokin tortured and experimented on one of their own for fun 0.o)

[PsychedelicSnake]

one problem

 

that means the original valkyr would have completely different set of skills and different appearance to our current valkyr since our current valkyr is a product of corpus intervention

 

her skills and appearance are due to what was done to her, there is no way to argue around this

so sure dig up the ancient orokin made valkyr prime but too bad its impossible for her to be the same as the current valkyr 

(unless there is a time travel device involved or the orokin tortured and experimented on one of their own for fun 0.o)

I never, ever said Valkyr Prime would be the same as the current one. I merely said that people claiming Valkyr Prime cannot happen are misinformed.

 

That being said, while it is entirely possible that Valkyr Prime can and may be different than her non-primed counterpart, it is also entirely possible to come up with a Lore explanation with if being possible that they are the same. As it is now, however, in terms of Prime and Unprimed, all we can do is wait and see.

[Bizzaro21]

ALL frames will be primed, original orokin design is NOT the definition of a prime, constructed with orokin technology IS the definition of prime, also DE stated that the rumor of any frame after Vauban not getting primes as false

well this sounds legit but Orokins are dead even before corpus were created (unless The lotus isn`t being honest)... and anyway the original valkyr is tanky enough.

 

second thoughts: maybe the corpus stole the designs from any Orokin ruins

Edited September 30, 2014 by Bizzaro21

[Exodess]

The release order will look something like this

 

 

Remainder Gen 1 Warframes

---

Trinity

Ash / Volt

Saryn / Banshee

Vauban 

 

 

Gen 2

---

Nova

Nekros 

Valkyr

Oberon

Zephyr

Hydroid

Mirage

 

 

We got a ways to Valkyr Prime. More than a year, given the present update schedule.

 

Also...

 

 

Gen 3?
---

Upcoming Earth/Ground/Tremor-themed Warframe (Male presumably, given the release pattern on genders)

 

 

As Archwing is coming out and how much of a gameplay changer that will turn out to be, I'd say we're getting close to the next generation of Warframes with abilities being more unique and diverse than previous generations. If the new frame isn't 3rd gen, it'll probably cap off the 2nd Generation squarely.

Edited September 30, 2014 by Exodess

[Elenortirie]

 

The release order will look something like this

 

 

Remainder Gen 1 Warframes

---

Trinity

Ash / Volt

Saryn / Banshee

Vauban 

 

 

 

I believe you meant "remaining" instead of reminder - reminder is stuff used to remind you about sth while "remaining" is te word tha twould match your sense If i got you correctly :)

[(PSN)Strifedecer]

I don't like it when a favorite frame gets primed.

Because, that gold just looks horrible with weapons like the Latron Wraith. And if you don't us the prime version of the frame, its a status downgrade. 

[PsychedelicSnake]

I don't like it when a favorite frame gets primed.

Because, that gold just looks horrible with weapons like the Latron Wraith. And if you don't us the prime version of the frame, its a status downgrade. 

It's only a downgrade if you get the Prime then don't use it.

 

Not having it means no upgrade or downgrade occurs. Besides, while I personally do appreciate the small buffs to Primes, I play Frames based on their aesthetic and roles, not their stats.

[(PSN)Strifedecer]

It's only a downgrade if you get the Prime then don't use it.

 

Not having it means no upgrade or downgrade occurs. Besides, while I personally do appreciate the small buffs to Primes, I play Frames based on their aesthetic and roles, not their stats.

 

Not stats, status. The community's perception of you.

People will always respect a Loki Prime more than a Loki. A Nyx Prime more than a Nyx.

Its the only reason I don't want an Ash Prime.

[PsychedelicSnake]

Not stats, status. The community's perception of you.

People will always respect a Loki Prime more than a Loki. A Nyx Prime more than a Nyx.

Its the only reason I don't want an Ash Prime.

Blanket statements like that don't help anyone. Sure, there are people that hold Prime players with greater esteem than those that don't, but there are also people, like myself, who couldn't give less of a sh*t. 

 

Remember, just because people are vocal about something, in this case, status, does not mean they are in the majority.

[Doom_Bunny]

one problem

 

that means the original valkyr would have completely different set of skills and different appearance to our current valkyr since our current valkyr is a product of corpus intervention

 

her skills and appearance are due to what was done to her, there is no way to argue around this

so sure dig up the ancient orokin made valkyr prime but too bad its impossible for her to be the same as the current valkyr 

(unless there is a time travel device involved or the orokin tortured and experimented on one of their own for fun 0.o)

That's not a problem it just means you need more lore, and since this is canon lore it is arguable.

 

While in cryo stasis we lost our memories, how far back the memory loss goes we don't know. Depending on what memories Valkyr has lost and what her muscle memory is like, she may of been able perform her abilities. Looking at the restraints on Valkyr, it looks like she was very hard to keep down, implying that she either remembered or used muscle memory to perform some of what she remembered but not to the standared of the her prime. (or she may of accidently activated hysteria causing her to go into a frenzy). Through sedations and those restraints the Corpus were able to control Valkyr. Though our interference must of caused something to go wrong in the experiments, maybe a missed sedation, allowing Valkyr to escape. She may of only been able to break those restraints because she was able to activate her powers again.

 

Now then unless you can show how far the experiments on Valkyr went this is all possible (not definte just possible). Just like the Valkryie/plant/bard versions of Valkyr are possible.

 

The release order will look something like this

 

Remainder Gen 1 Warframes

---

Trinity

Ash / Volt

Saryn / Banshee

Vauban 

 

Gen 2

---

Nova

Nekros 

Valkyr

Oberon

Zephyr

Hydroid

Mirage

 

We got a ways to Valkyr Prime. More than a year, given the present update schedule.

Also...

 

Gen 3?

---

Upcoming Earth/Ground/Tremor-themed Warframe (Male presumably, given the release pattern on genders)

As Archwing is coming out and how much of a gameplay changer that will turn out to be, I'd say we're getting close to the next generation of Warframes with abilities being more unique and diverse than previous generations. If the new frame isn't 3rd gen, it'll probably cap off the 2nd Generation squarely.

 

If DE were actualy following any pattern this would be correct, however they are only prioritizing closed beta frames first. If DE were going by updates Frost and Nyx wouldn't be out yet. They could just skip over a few frames arfter the closed beta frames are done.

Edited September 30, 2014 by Postal_pat

[Ionus]

That's not a problem it just means you need more lore, and since this is canon lore it is arguable.

 

While in cryo stasis we lost our memories, how far back the memory loss goes we don't know. Depending on what memories Valkyr has lost and what her muscle memory is like, she may of been able perform her abilities. Looking at the restraints on Valkyr, it looks like she was very hard to keep down, implying that she either remembered or used muscle memory to perform some of what she remembered but not to the standared of the her prime. (or she may of accidently activated hysteria causing her to go into a frenzy). Through sedations and those restraints the Corpus were able to control Valkyr. Though our interference must of caused something to go wrong in the experiments, maybe a missed sedation, allowing Valkyr to escape. She may of only been able to break those restraints because she was able to activate her powers again.

 

Now then unless you can show how far the experiments on Valkyr went this is all possible (not definte just possible). Just like the Valkryie/plant/bard versions of Valkyr are possible.

 

If DE were actualy following any pattern this would be correct, however they are only prioritizing closed beta frames first. If DE were going by updates Frost and Nyx wouldn't be out yet. They could just skip over a few frames arfter the closed beta frames are done.

They said they were prioritizing older Warframes first, but at the same time they go with what design they are happy with at the time. Hence why Ember and Frost are among the first 4.

[OverlordMcGeek]

 

It's getting pretty absurd how much misinformation is spreading about Valkyr, the Primes, and the more recent Warframes in general. It's getting worrisome, in fact, that people are believing the misinformation without bothering to do the research about how this works themselves. 

 

First of all, we have this quote from DERebecca, stating that all Warframes after Vauban are eligible to be Primed:

 

And then we have Valkyr's Codex Entry, which states:

 

Finally, we have the Gradivus Dilemma, which goes into detail as to how the entire conflict had started in the first place:

Intel shows a growing conflict that will begin on Gradivus in Mars. Expect it to spread. The Grineer are planning an operation against the Corpus lead by Sargas Ruk. Alad V of the Corpus has discovered a cache of Tenno in cryosleep and intends on exploiting them for his secret weapons project. The Grineer are outraged at this contract violation. They are using this as an excuse to invade Corpus space, enslave the local population, and grow their power.

 

While that first part is important, it's the second and third parts that completely and utterly disprove the statement that Valkyr cannot be Primed. First off, it is stated that Valkyr was forged in the labs of the Zanuka Project. Okay, that first part can be confusing to people. That's understandable. But then the part literally immediately after explains it, stating "the original Valkyr was subject to cruel experiments". See the key word there? Original. Meaning that when the Corpus made Valkyr what she is now, she was not always this way. Meaning she was not created by the Corpus, merely molded into the little ball of rage she is now.

 

And then there's the final spoiler, which contains the information about the Gradivus Dilemma. The key part of the background to the conflict stating "Alad V of the Corpus has discovered a cache of Tenno in cryosleep and intends on exploiting them for his secret weapons project". The Corpus had found caches of cryopods containing sleeping Tenno, which he then took back to Jupiter to experiment on. It can be assumed through this implication (and I admit, it seems to only be an implication) that some of the Tenno he found were some of the original Valkyr(s?), meaning, once again, the Corpus did not actually manufacture and create Valkyr, but only shaped her into what she is now. Meaning that Valkyr is completely eligible to be Primed.

 

thank you for clearing it up for these people it was starting to get annoying.

 

one problem

 

that means the original valkyr would have completely different set of skills and different appearance to our current valkyr since our current valkyr is a product of corpus intervention

 

her skills and appearance are due to what was done to her, there is no way to argue around this

so sure dig up the ancient orokin made valkyr prime but too bad its impossible for her to be the same as the current valkyr 

(unless there is a time travel device involved or the orokin tortured and experimented on one of their own for fun 0.o)

this has already been covered, please read.

[arch111]

Good. Now let's not get into this again, shall we?

[TrashSpider]

We all know that every advanced player loves valkyr. Why not come out with the prime version??

That a pretty broad statement you just said bout high rank players. 

 

It could be possible that she may have a prime version, but atm were just swimming blind. 

[DerpFromAbove]

Well, if when they make a Valkyr Prime they would have to keep it gameplay-wise more or less identical to the original except for some shiny stuff and improved stats being added. 

 

They also can't change the design too drastically or people won't recognize its appearance as a Valkyr any more. 

 

 

My money would be on replacing the Corpus tech with golden Orokin ornaments plus adding some more for decoration. They would want to keep the "berserker class" image of the Valkyr intact since they are making a prime version of an existing warframe and not a totally new warframe altogether. 

[Exodess]

 

 

The release order will look something like this

 

 

Remainder Gen 1 Warframes

---

Trinity

Ash / Volt

Saryn / Banshee

Vauban 

 

 

I believe you meant "remaining" instead of reminder - reminder is stuff used to remind you about sth while "remaining" is te word tha twould match your sense If i got you correctly :)

 

Look again, Grammar Nazi:

 

re·main·der

riˈmāndər/

noun

 

1. 1.

   a part, number, or quantity that is left over.

Edited September 30, 2014 by Exodess

[Ailissa]

I believe you meant "remaining" instead of reminder - reminder is stuff used to remind you about sth while "remaining" is te word tha twould match your sense If i got you correctly :)

 

I love it when people try to correct folk and end up being completely wrong and looking like a numpty.

 

Plus 1 to you for giving me a giggle.

[aoguro]

i would suggest a brand-new prime-frame next time, should be that boring )))

 

and the normal one afterwards ...

[Draciusen]

Not stats, status. The community's perception of you.

People will always respect a Loki Prime more than a Loki. A Nyx Prime more than a Nyx.

Its the only reason I don't want an Ash Prime.

I wouldn't say respect, impressed is more like it with the grinding and whatnot. I think objectively, and that means I could care less if they're playing Loki Prime or Loki. I'll never notice that extra cast of Radial Disarm because of the higher base energy pool, or the fact that Nyx Prime took 0.5 seconds longer to die with her extra base armor.

 

Maybe it's just your mindset, but I don't see a Prime frame or a Prime weapon and think "Oh man I got respect for this guy." It's more along the lines of "Hehe gold bling" if anything at all.

 

And in the case of Rhino Prime, I will certainly not respect the extra rushing power the increased movement speed grants him.

Edited September 30, 2014 by Draciusen