TisEric Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 You, my good sir, have my +1, this is a grand solution that ensures that prime parts are still a bit harder to get, but they aren't outrageously annoying as they are now. Really...? Playing a single mission for a minimum of 45 minutes before you start getting some resemblance of a chance to get the parts you want isn't outrageously annoying?... really now? Put it back to god damn AABCCCCC. 20 minutes is torture enough before i get to have a shot at a thing , Especially since i ran hundreds of voids and still have less than half the parts i need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphaHorseman Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 Really...? Playing a single mission for a minimum of 45 minutes before you start getting some resemblance of a chance to get the parts you want isn't outrageously annoying?... really now? Put it back to god damn AABCCCCC. 20 minutes is torture enough before i get to have a shot at a thing , Especially since i ran hundreds of voids and still have less than half the parts i need. His suggestion still has C rotation at 20, but it doesn't leave the drops to continuously be C throughout, thus allowing for some balance to how we have it now. It doesn't outright give us all the prime parts in the mission after 20, but also doesn't hold out on many of them as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CandyDragon Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 You mean encrypted drop tables makes it harder to keep them honest? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Filas312 Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 (edited) You mean encrypted drop tables makes it harder to keep them honest? It shouldn't, but it seems it does. DE didn't learn their lesson on security via obscurity and it's flaws. Edited January 3, 2015 by Filas312 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyrus106 Posted January 3, 2015 Author Share Posted January 3, 2015 (edited) Hopefully asking to revert a change isnt too much to ask for, agreed? Edited January 3, 2015 by cyrus106 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volume Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 To be fair, it just said where things drop, it didn't mention "oh yes by the way 95/100 times you will get forma instead" lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UltimateSpinDash Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 I feel like some people here forgot how annoying ABCCCCCCC for Defense and Interception really was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judgebanks Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 You mean encrypted drop tables makes it harder to keep them honest? Golly Gee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomemozok Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 To all who complain about ODS, just remember that ods is infected and it only has 2 primes in its drop table,AND the barrel is in T3 Cap aswell, so the Nova part (the thing which everyone is in for) should be rare. I would just like them to do T4 keys not T2 on 20 mins since it would be easier to farm Sabotage keys that way whilst farming the nova. As for the Deffence and Interception parts its more farm oriented now, BUT your rewards stack so there is that. I would like for them to remove the forma from drop table C since it's frustrating to see a forma on wave 8 of interception,or Wave 40 on T4 DEFF tbh,OR make it a full ready forma not a bp that drops (the second is better IMO since you don't change the chance of the drops) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bibliothekar Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 To all who complain about ODS, just remember that ods is infected and it only has 2 primes in its drop table While this may be true, I did ODS yesterday and we barely made it to 15 minutes, mainly because of Mutalist MOAs and Parasitic crawlers hiding in the crowds. I get that it's supposed to be harder than your regular mission, but that was downright ridiculous. Energy was gone as soon as you picked it up, you couldn't see a damned thing due to Swarm MOAs and got one-shot at 10 minutes by Tar MOAs. I understand that people are annoyed by Corrupted Nullifiers making it a lot harder to stay longer now, but at least you can see those guys, they stick out with their huge bubble. Try finding a Parasitic crawler in that mess that the Derelict rooms are ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UltimateSpinDash Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 While this may be true, I did ODS yesterday and we barely made it to 15 minutes, mainly because of Mutalist MOAs and Parasitic crawlers hiding in the crowds. I get that it's supposed to be harder than your regular mission, but that was downright ridiculous. Energy was gone as soon as you picked it up, you couldn't see a damned thing due to Swarm MOAs and got one-shot at 10 minutes by Tar MOAs. I understand that people are annoyed by Corrupted Nullifiers making it a lot harder to stay longer now, but at least you can see those guys, they stick out with their huge bubble. Try finding a Parasitic crawler in that mess that the Derelict rooms are ... May I ask what weapons and frames you used? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomemozok Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 While this may be true, I did ODS yesterday and we barely made it to 15 minutes, mainly because of Mutalist MOAs and Parasitic crawlers hiding in the crowds. I get that it's supposed to be harder than your regular mission, but that was downright ridiculous. Energy was gone as soon as you picked it up, you couldn't see a damned thing due to Swarm MOAs and got one-shot at 10 minutes by Tar MOAs. I understand that people are annoyed by Corrupted Nullifiers making it a lot harder to stay longer now, but at least you can see those guys, they stick out with their huge bubble. Try finding a Parasitic crawler in that mess that the Derelict rooms are ... ? The only problem i have is the new infected spitters (tar mutalists) one shotting you after 40 mins with their spit thing. With the right team you can do 2 hours easy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judgebanks Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 The only reason I hate doing ODS is the KEYS FOR DAYS syndrome the loot-table has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armedpoop Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 Im actually really surprised to see that this thread hasnt been turned into a warzone yet. On topic, I wish I screenshotted my rewards this time in T1D. R5Core R5Core R5Core R5Core R5Core. Really? lol (granted, I wasnt there for rewards, but come on!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UltimateSpinDash Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 I really hope that in the following week, DE says SOMETHING about this. They cannot ignore this thread forever, at least as long as it remains on the front page of General Discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bibliothekar Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 (edited) May I ask what weapons and frames you used? EmberP, Flux (modded for slash/heat), AkBroncoP (if it wasn't for the tiny mag and reload time, those things would be awesome against Infested), Silva&Aegis. Funny thing is, I did an ODD after that with the same loadout and had almost no problems. Then again, no Parasitic Eximus to be seen. Edited January 3, 2015 by Bibliothekar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyrus106 Posted January 3, 2015 Author Share Posted January 3, 2015 EmberP, Flux (modded for slash/heat), AkBroncoP (if it wasn't for the tiny mag and reload time, those things would be awesome against Infested), Silva&Aegis. Funny thing is, I did an ODD after that with the same loadout and had almost no problems. Then again, no Parasitic Eximus to be seen. try corrosive and heat, it works much better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Filas312 Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 (edited) OT: Flux is bad on Infested since it's only status, you could try modding for Gas + Electric with maximum status possible, but apart from that it sucks. Edited January 3, 2015 by Filas312 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoboDoge Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 Ofcourse that drop tables will be "broken" for month or so after new Prime Access is released. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyrus106 Posted January 3, 2015 Author Share Posted January 3, 2015 (edited) Back on topic: Does anybody feel that some of the suggested ideas (besides reverting the rotation C change of course) are good? The idea that stood out to me was how the longer you go in defense and survival, the more frequent rotation C gets. However this idea is pointless with the trashy cores and forma in rotation C, as we'd essentially have the old rotationless system all over again. So if DE DOES revert the rotation C changes, would you guys agree that an incentive to go farther than 20 mins is a good idea? @RoboDoge: nononono, you must be not understanding my OP fully. I have been around for all prime access releases, I am aware the new prime parts are hard to get for the first month or so. HOWEVER, this rotation change has NEVER happened. This change is ruining ALL tables, not just the void tables of the missions the have the new weapons and frame. The situation is more dire than usual Edited January 3, 2015 by cyrus106 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoboDoge Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 Back on topic: Does anybody feel that some of the suggested ideas (besides reverting the rotation C change of course) are good? The idea that stood out to me was how the longer you go in defense and survival, the more frequent rotation C gets. However this idea is pointless with the trashy cores and forma in rotation C, as we'd essentially have the old rotationless system all over again. So if DE DOES revert the rotation C changes, would you guys agree that an incentive to go farther than 20 mins is a good idea? Simple and the best way would be to have maximum of 2 or 3 of the same rewards per run. And to completely remove rotations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyrus106 Posted January 3, 2015 Author Share Posted January 3, 2015 Simple and the best way would be to have maximum of 2 or 3 of the same rewards per run. And to completely remove rotations. DE would never allow that, it would make parts too easy to get Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoboDoge Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 DE would never allow that, it would make parts too easy to get Exactly, and thats the easiest explanation why we have this situation now. I would really love to see drop chances of everything, but DE encoded them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyrus106 Posted January 3, 2015 Author Share Posted January 3, 2015 (edited) Exactly, and thats the easiest explanation why we have this situation now.(btw, I edited a post a few posts back in response to yours, go check it)DE's encoding of the table always rubbed me the wrong way, it felt shady. But there is nothing we can do about that now so let's leave it be. Instead we should focus on working with them to make fair compromises in a civil discussion. Feeling sour wont change much, civil discussion however has potential Edited January 3, 2015 by cyrus106 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mooser6 Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 Changing the rotation order is all fine n good... but they must remove cores, cells, and forma from rotation C. This is the root of the problem. I welcome any rotation change that brings C around more frequently after 20 mins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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