Atomic_Cybersystems Posted March 29, 2015 Share Posted March 29, 2015 Hello.. As many of us know, chroma became one of most unuseful frames at the moment. He is not the strongest on in every role of party endgame: not best in damage, neither in crowd-control, nor support (healing / buffing / debuffing). So, i have such suggestions that would make him really viable in every game stage and still the same frame in common: 1. His fisrt ability should be frontal one-time aoe with 100% status. Using this ability will switch croma to next energy color (fire -> electro -> toxin -> ice). 2. Significantly increase both status chance (50-80%) and radius (25m) of 2nd ability. If chroma uses 1 ability, aura turns off. Aura can be cancelled now if used again. 3. electricity aura should restore twice more shields, than health from fire aura (health is more viable resource due to absense of regeneration). So, 400 shields regeneration when going into aura for teammates and same 400 for self. 4. Remake status types with such way: 1st status = old_status_1 + old_status_2 (fire and electro, radiation); 2nd status = old_2 + old_3 (electro and toxin, corrosive); 3rd = viral; 4th = blast. 5. Syndicate mod that gives 3rd ability buff for every teammate in radius (radius = 2nd ability radius) 6. Make 4th ability, ultimate, one-time-cast. Chroma places ultimate and it fires until time is down or until destroyed. This ability should benefit from range and duration mods. This ability should taunt neaby enemies and have same armor stats as chroma's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XxCurtennoxX Posted March 29, 2015 Share Posted March 29, 2015 (edited) Im just gonna go ahead and ask: What the heck is wrong with Chroma?!? Do people even play him before assuming he's bad, just because a bug with his effigy was fixed? Of all the frames that need looking at, Chroma is easily one of the most fun, interesting, and balanced frames out there. Seriously, why do people assume he needs a rework or that he's utter s*%t? Bearing in mind people only feel this way after a non-intended feature of his Effigy was FIXED. Edited March 29, 2015 by XxCurtennoxX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinKenshin Posted March 29, 2015 Share Posted March 29, 2015 Im just gonna go ahead and ask: What the heck is wrong with Chroma?!? Do people even play him before assuming he's bad, just because a bug with his effigy was fixed? they just want every frame to be a loki or rhino......just ignore these ppl, I still bet ppl don't even know how to play limbo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orbister Posted March 29, 2015 Share Posted March 29, 2015 (edited) Get out of here, i'm having a blast with Chroma, he is my favourite frame, he is a beast for melee and effigy provides a great support ability for ranged combat, his only "weak" ability is his first and is still a LOT better than most of other frames's first. Really dude, just get out. Edited March 29, 2015 by Orbister Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.-KG-..-Ragulab-. Posted March 29, 2015 Share Posted March 29, 2015 i wish the effigy ability had a better AI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XxCurtennoxX Posted March 29, 2015 Share Posted March 29, 2015 (edited) they just want every frame to be a loki or rhino......just ignore these ppl, I still bet ppl don't even know how to play limbo Thing is, i love Choma because of how versatile he can be. And even better, he's not bad at whatever you choose him to be. And even more better, he isnt a press 4 to win frame. As you said, this is likely the issue with some people. Like with Limbo (Although maybe to a lesser extent), you have to spend time with him and learn to play him. Tank, Mini-Healer, Defence, Support, +4 elemental possibilities. Chroma is Unique, fun, and definitely not one that needs any form of rework. i wish the effigy ability had a better AI Many of us do, but at least thats a small fix and not a ridiculous rework like some people feel he "needs". Edited March 29, 2015 by XxCurtennoxX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdunSaveMe Posted March 29, 2015 Share Posted March 29, 2015 Everything about Chroma except Spectral Scream is fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_Vauban Posted March 29, 2015 Share Posted March 29, 2015 (edited) If Chroma gets a rework because of this thread, John prodman will descent from the heavens to strike the creator down I am srs Edited March 29, 2015 by DJ_Vauban Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Absens Posted March 29, 2015 Share Posted March 29, 2015 Well most of what you wrote is nonsense. Except ultimate. It drains $&*&*#(%& amounths of energy, and only credit farm chromas use it. It would be better if it was duration based instead of energy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XxCurtennoxX Posted March 29, 2015 Share Posted March 29, 2015 Everything about Chroma except Spectral Scream is fine. Agreed. On paper it seems like a good ability, but the rate that you move and range of it means it's quicker to shoot enemies. The status chance is nice, but it's not useful really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XxCurtennoxX Posted March 29, 2015 Share Posted March 29, 2015 Well most of what you wrote is nonsense. Except ultimate. It drains $&*&*#(%& amounths of energy, and only credit farm chromas use it. It would be better if it was duration based instead of energy It's good for defending a hallway and such. However it could probably do with better targeting/aggro and a slight decrease in energy/sec. Other than that it's a refreshing ability to use as an Ultimate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Absens Posted March 29, 2015 Share Posted March 29, 2015 It's good for defending a hallway and such. However it could probably do with better targeting/aggro and a slight decrease in energy/sec. Other than that it's a refreshing ability to use as an Ultimate. Well lets say it needs some tweaks. 10 energy per second is too much for any skill. And it's an unreliable AI ffs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdunSaveMe Posted March 29, 2015 Share Posted March 29, 2015 Except ultimate. It drains $&*&*#(%& amounths of energy, and only credit farm chromas use it. It would be better if it was duration based instead of energy Except it doesn't drain much energy if you use a little thing called efficiency, and any Chroma that knows how to use the frame will know that Effigy's CC is actually very useful and wholly effective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mcl_Blue Posted March 29, 2015 Share Posted March 29, 2015 (edited) Yes, of course. Because every single frame needs to be specialized, and we can't possibly have a frame that's good at many things without necessarily excelling in one of them. Let's remake this 10 days old frame, I'm sure there's nothing else more urgent in need of any attention. [size=8][/sarcasm][/size] Edited March 29, 2015 by Mcl_BlueMadness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Absens Posted March 29, 2015 Share Posted March 29, 2015 Except it doesn't drain much energy if you use a little thing called efficiency, and any Chroma that knows how to use the frame will know that Effigy's CC is actually very useful and wholly effective. Well oh thank you mate i clearly havent thought about that! No. You want to keep your ward and vex armor all the times, if the time runs out you lose your bonuses of vex armor. So you need as high duration as possible, The minute you put fleeting expertise on chroma, you pretty much kill the duration, so only streamline is an option. If you want to play high levels of course Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdunSaveMe Posted March 29, 2015 Share Posted March 29, 2015 Well oh thank you mate i clearly havent thought about that! No. You want to keep your ward and vex armor all the times, if the time runs out you lose your bonuses of vex armor. So you need as high duration as possible, The minute you put fleeting expertise on chroma, you pretty much kill the duration, so only streamline is an option. If you want to play high levels of course I only have streamline on, works fine for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Absens Posted March 29, 2015 Share Posted March 29, 2015 I only have streamline on, works fine for me. So you say 7 energy drain per second is fine? Thats 70 in 10 seconds(i am smart) And that thing uses his cc after 2 seconds he shows up, and waits a couple of seconds to use it again. It is too much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orbister Posted March 29, 2015 Share Posted March 29, 2015 Well most of what you wrote is nonsense. Except ultimate. It drains $&*&*#(%& amounths of energy, and only credit farm chromas use it. It would be better if it was duration based instead of energy duration based effigy would be cool indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atomic_Cybersystems Posted March 30, 2015 Author Share Posted March 30, 2015 (edited) So much rage-answeres... So i am starting to think that most of this community plays on mercury-earth-whatever. No team will take chroma as support (trinity and oberon heals and buffs better). No team will take croma as crowd-controller (vauban, nyx, loki and many more frames has true cc). No team will take chroma as dps or dps-buffer (mirage, nova). No team will take chroma as utility frame (frost, limbo, nekros, mag). He doesn't fit to any good party (and rhino too, by the way): no place in raid for him, no place in long T4 defenses (40+waves) or survival (50+ minutes). He is just a pub-stomper for noob-runs, nothing more. Chroma has nothing for teamplay comparing even to rhino, that is rarely or never picked up in hard missions. Edited March 30, 2015 by Atomic_Cybersystems Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XxCurtennoxX Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 (edited) So much rage-answeres... So i am starting to think that most of this community plays on mercury-earth-whatever. No team will take chroma as support (trinity and oberon heals and buffs better). No team will take croma as crowd-controller (vauban, nyx, loki and many more frames has true cc). No team will take chroma as dps or dps-buffer (mirage, nova). No team will take chroma as utility frame (frost, limbo, nekros, mag). He doesn't fit to any good party (and rhino too, by the way): no place in raid for him, no place in long T4 defenses (40+waves) or survival (50+ minutes). He is just a pub-stomper for noob-runs, nothing more. Chroma has nothing for teamplay comparing even to rhino, that is rarely or never picked up in hard missions. Please tell me your Forum account is different to your actual one... you're an initiate... Anyway: No. I've used Chroma for nearly every bit of content in high levels (Minus the Raid, i have no interest in it). Either you don't know how the heck to mod him, or you just don't know how to even use him. Makes me laugh how he has "Nothing for Team Play" but he brings more to the table in terms of versatility than many other frames do. Seriously, learn to play the frame. It's like when players called Limbo bad when they havent even learnt how to play him. Even i haven't tried to learn him but i know he's not bad at all. Chroma is a hell of a lot more high-level ready than Rhino ever will be, so you can't compare that here. None of what you say makes any sense or is even something i can take seriously. You act like every new frame has to work exactly like another frame does. Just because Chroma is unique and not press-4-to-win, he isnt viable or useful in any team. That's flawed logic if i've ever seen it. Edited March 30, 2015 by XxCurtennoxX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buzkyl Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 (edited) So much rage-answeres... So i am starting to think that most of this community plays on mercury-earth-whatever. No team will take chroma as support (trinity and oberon heals and buffs better). No team will take croma as crowd-controller (vauban, nyx, loki and many more frames has true cc). No team will take chroma as dps or dps-buffer (mirage, nova). No team will take chroma as utility frame (frost, limbo, nekros, mag). He doesn't fit to any good party (and rhino too, by the way): no place in raid for him, no place in long T4 defenses (40+waves) or survival (50+ minutes). He is just a pub-stomper for noob-runs, nothing more. Chroma has nothing for teamplay comparing even to rhino, that is rarely or never picked up in hard missions. Wrong. Chroma is a tank, only surpassed by valkyr because of Godmode. 2 full Naritas and i lived through it. The full duration of hex and ele ward Chroma is an extremely versatile frame, he can fill the role of pesudo healer with fire or a straight up tank. His ult can provide great panic CC. If you're going to critique a frame learn to play him first, as your post reeks of ignorance. As evident that you call him a pubstomper when his DPS abilities are laughably low. Edited March 30, 2015 by cozzi21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kidkilla Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 So much rage-answeres... So i am starting to think that most of this community plays on mercury-earth-whatever. No team will take chroma as support (trinity and oberon heals and buffs better). No team will take croma as crowd-controller (vauban, nyx, loki and many more frames has true cc). No team will take chroma as dps or dps-buffer (mirage, nova). No team will take chroma as utility frame (frost, limbo, nekros, mag). He doesn't fit to any good party (and rhino too, by the way): no place in raid for him, no place in long T4 defenses (40+waves) or survival (50+ minutes). He is just a pub-stomper for noob-runs, nothing more. Chroma has nothing for teamplay comparing even to rhino, that is rarely or never picked up in hard missions. If you need friends, I'll invite next time we're on together. As everyone's said, there's nothing really wrong with him. Yes he needs tweaks e.g. Green/venom energy but these things can be overcome quite easily. You just need to know how to mod, equip and play him. I've used him exclusively for the last week, and he's my 2nd fav after Loki. Just experiment and you'll soon find he does certain things very well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayGideon1 Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 I think Chroma is good, i dont think he needs a total rework as you say, maybe a few tweaks here and there to really solidify him into endgame but hes really close. this is a video of MaxFable aka FaitKO taking chroma for about a 30 minutes solo run in a t4 void, any frame that can do that cant be as bad as you say.His only ability i never really touch is his first but thats not Chroma's fault thats a recurring trend in the game in general that needs to be addressed, augments were supposed to do that but of course fell kind of short And saying he doesnt do something as good as another frame isn't really that great of an arguments its valid but only too a point. Chroma will never support like trinity because thats all shes does and thats all she was designed for, no frame will be as good as trinity at healing and energy restore, same with only a few frames even being able to match Vauban at CC (Loki and Nova maybe but they cant completely lock down a wave of enemies like Vauban can) Chroma was designed to be a tanky versatile frame, his ability to change elements is only a testimony to his versatility. Slap on a scindo prime or berserker dragon nikana, rage, life strike, primed flow, some duration and watch as Chroma slices his way through hoards of enemies. Playing chroma against high level infested on Sechura has been some of the most fun i've had in long time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col.Corvo Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 I seem to be the only person who finds spectral scream effective Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Absens Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 I seem to be the only person who finds spectral scream effective yep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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