----._.S.A.T.A.N._.---- Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 I hope that I'm not the only one that thinks that Mesa's ult is OP. I mean, if she can shoot through walls, then she should be on the nerf list for DE. I like her being OP, but, really though, this is like Excal being able wipe an entire map by pressing 4 (Which DE changed, and now almost no one uses Excal). But, I think Mesa should be nerfed but not so much as to make her bad, more like, make it to where she can't shoot through stuff like, walls, the cryo-pods, the energy things that the Grineer use, stuff like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)IIIDevoidIII Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 Um... I have never been able to shoot through walls while using her? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
----._.S.A.T.A.N._.---- Posted April 10, 2015 Author Share Posted April 10, 2015 (edited) Um... I have never been able to shoot through walls while using her? I have.... I've done it with rocks and other solid objects as well. Edited April 10, 2015 by ----._.S.A.T.A.N._.---- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kutsus Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 Mesa's peacemaker can only target enemies that are within Mesa's line of sight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XxCurtennoxX Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 (edited) SATAN PLS ... And no you can't shoot through walls, it's Los. Also, it's an energy drain, and she's stationary. It's fine as it is. Edited April 10, 2015 by XxCurtennoxX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shifted Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 Don't touch my Mesa, go nerf Trinity, at least she's used to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkRuler2500 Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 Mesa cant shoot through walls.Since she's one of my main chars, i know pretty well. And she's not OP... she deals great damage but is an energy sucker deluxe. It's ok the way it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
----._.S.A.T.A.N._.---- Posted April 10, 2015 Author Share Posted April 10, 2015 Mesa cant shoot through walls. Since she's one of my main chars, i know pretty well. And she's not OP... she deals great damage but is an energy sucker deluxe. It's ok the way it is. I don't know man.... I've been able to shoot through walls, I've done it about 3 times now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaavveeFTW Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 (edited) So you want to make her suffer extra hard from LoS than other frames? How is that fair? It bugs me the most that you are saying this based on your delusion of her shooting through walls. Edited April 10, 2015 by ddaavveeFTW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XxCurtennoxX Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 (edited) I don't know man.... I've been able to shoot through walls, I've done it about 3 times now. It's LoS to your camera. Since the FoV changes during peacemaker, you can turn the camera slightly and it can targets enemies round corners slightly, but that's it. You cant literally shoot things you can't see, it's still LoS. Edited April 10, 2015 by XxCurtennoxX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HunterHog Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 Maybe Mesa's head was above the rock? It's enough for it to register, since hits are Hitscan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[DE]Grzegorz Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 Mesa's peacemaker can only target enemies that are within Mesa's line of sight. Does it mean "can be seen by mesa" or "can be seen by camera"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kubbi Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 Her ultimate is only strong to a certain point. Once that point is reached her damage falls off and she won't be able to keep up on her own. And like mentioned she cannot shoot through walls. Its los based. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
----._.S.A.T.A.N._.---- Posted April 10, 2015 Author Share Posted April 10, 2015 (edited) It's LoS to your camera. Since the FoV changes during peacemaker, you can turn the camera slightly and it can targets enemies round corners slightly, but that's it. You cant literally shoot things you can't see, it's still LoS. OHOHOOOOO, I understand now, thanks. Well, more like, I understand more of why that was possible. Edited April 10, 2015 by ----._.S.A.T.A.N._.---- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
----._.S.A.T.A.N._.---- Posted April 10, 2015 Author Share Posted April 10, 2015 I sounded so Noobish in this post.... thanks for the explanation other people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndantony Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 Don't touch my Mesa, go nerf Trinity, at least she's used to it.Lol. No. Hand off Trinity, too. None of these lady frames deserved to be treated like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Clockwork_Kaiju Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 I hope that I'm not the only one that thinks that Mesa's ult is OP. I mean, if she can shoot through walls, then she should be on the nerf list for DE. I like her being OP, but, really though, this is like Excal being able wipe an entire map by pressing 4 (Which DE changed, and now almost no one uses Excal). But, I think Mesa should be nerfed but not so much as to make her bad, more like, make it to where she can't shoot through stuff like, walls, the cryo-pods, the energy things that the Grineer use, stuff like that. Sir and or Madam, I main Mesa and I can honestly say Mesa is by far no means OP and needs to be nerfed. She suffers from the same LINE OF SIGHT as Excal. On pc you have to hold "4" down to stay in peacemaker, she can not shoot through obstacles never could. In fact due to Mesa haters like yourself she already has had drastic changes to Peacemaker taking her from a end game frame to a late mid game frame to a very early end game frame with the use of maxed out mods. SO please before crying for nerfs do some research and take your biased glasses off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XxCurtennoxX Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 OHOHOOOOO, I understand now, thanks. Well, more like, I understand more of why that was possible. You're welcome almighty Satan. Now go back to hell (you live there after all) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catharsis25 Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 DON'T EVEN SAY IT! Instead of nerfing someone, buff other people. She's perfectly balanced the way she is! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdunSaveMe Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 (edited) She can't shoot through walls and it makes her immobile which is extremely dangerous on higher levels. It has line of sight, but it's a tad more refined, and likely works with the same 2 second window that RJ does. Ballistic Battery is sometimes underwhelming but works well for its cost. Shooting Gallery is perfect when used properly but also splits between teammates so you aren't permanently protected by it, and Shatter Shield gives massive defense, but only works on bullets. Mesa is actually pretty balanced. On pc you have to hold "4" down to stay in peacemaker No you don't. But you're not a PC player, so I'll forgive your silliness, sir. Edited April 10, 2015 by AdunSaveMe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catharsis25 Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 Sir and or Madam, I main Mesa and I can honestly say Mesa is by far no means OP and needs to be nerfed. She suffers from the same LINE OF SIGHT as Excal. On pc you have to hold "4" down to stay in peacemaker, she can not shoot through obstacles never could. In fact due to Mesa haters like yourself she already has had drastic changes to Peacemaker taking her from a end game frame to a late mid game frame to a very early end game frame with the use of maxed out mods. SO please before crying for nerfs do some research and take your biased glasses off. Um, you don't actually have to hold 4 down. It's a toggle for me. I'm pretty sure you can change your settings so it's like that for you, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Clockwork_Kaiju Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 (edited) She can't shoot through walls and it makes her immobile which is extremely dangerous on higher levels. Ballistic Battery is sometimes underwhelming but works well for its cost. Shooting Gallery is perfect when used properly but also splits between teammates so you aren't permanently protected by it, and Shatter Shield gives massive damage reduction, but only works on bullets. Mesa is actually pretty balanced. No you don't. But you're not a PC player, so I'll forgive your silliness, sir. I remember reading another PC player stating that, My apologizes you lovely PC tenno. Edited April 10, 2015 by (PS4)B3tusHammer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdunSaveMe Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 I remember reading another PC player stating that, My apologizes you lovely PC tenno. That PC player probably meant the fire button, which you can hold down to fire Peacemaker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Clockwork_Kaiju Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 Um, you don't actually have to hold 4 down. It's a toggle for me. I'm pretty sure you can change your settings so it's like that for you, too. On PS4 its a left to right swipe on the touch pad, on xbox its holding RB and hitting another button I think "Y" I have my powers mapped to the DPad and last power used set to R3 which is pressing the Right thumb stick in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeMeritus Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 Mesa is fairly well balanced and fine as is. No real changes needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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