Lord_Datastorm Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 As a clan leader, several have complained that the current gift from the lotus on archwing is not fair. They watched the devstream yet they do not have archwing and cannot get the gift. Unless they plan to give a "Starter" archwing (Mk-1 Odonata) to tenno with their starter frame, then having the Gift be archwing mission type would be fair. Please consider this the next time we get a Gift from the Lotus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenwing Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 The Archwing quest is not difficult so I don't see the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trylobyte Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 The Archwing quest is not difficult so I don't see the problem. It takes several days to complete unless you rush everything with plat. If they don't have an archwing now they'll never finish it in time for the alert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenwing Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 It takes several days to complete unless you rush everything with plat. If they don't have an archwing now they'll never finish it in time for the alert. True, but if they started so recently that they don't have archwing because they haven't had the time to let it finish building then I don't really see the problem. And if they've been playing for months and don't have it, well that's their own fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trylobyte Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 True, but if they started so recently that they don't have archwing because they haven't had the time to let it finish building then I don't really see the problem. And if they've been playing for months and don't have it, well that's their own fault. Maybe they don't have it because Archwing didn't appeal to them. I know a lot of people who've been here for months but don't have an Archwing because they don't like the concept or execution of Archwing and don't want to play it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)LordPuck Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 Maybe they don't have it because Archwing didn't appeal to them. I know a lot of people who've been here for months but don't have an Archwing because they don't like the concept or execution of Archwing and don't want to play it. I dont play Alerts or Events that dont appeal to me either. I dont complain because I chose not to play them. Your friends choosing not to aquire the Archwing after so long is their decision, Not a game design flaw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenwing Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 Maybe they don't have it because Archwing didn't appeal to them. I know a lot of people who've been here for months but don't have an Archwing because they don't like the concept or execution of Archwing and don't want to play it. That's their problem then. Archwing is a part of the game whether they like it or not and if they don't want to get theirs then they will eventually miss out on things. They don't have any right to *@##$ about it if they refuse to partake in an entire facet of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Latronico Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 It takes several days to complete unless you rush everything with plat. If they don't have an archwing now they'll never finish it in time for the alert. If they still don't have an archwing (knowing that archwings are part of the game), it's because of two reasons: 1) they're lazy 2) they're new players So there's nothing to complain about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cloud Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 Maybe they don't have it because Archwing didn't appeal to them. I know a lot of people who've been here for months but don't have an Archwing because they don't like the concept or execution of Archwing and don't want to play it. Then it's ur choice, don't wanna play it? No potato. Everyone must understand that archwing is a warframe mode and it deserves more space in the game even if someone may dislike it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Datastorm Posted May 30, 2015 Author Share Posted May 30, 2015 But a gift from the lotus should cover everyone. Most of the ones I know don't like archwing and they are saving that quest for last or are too new to have it. The lotus' gifts should cover all not just those with a certain item or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoneBreakerx Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 i dont really see the differens from a mission that ppl Mrank 0-1 isent able to do without being dragged by a more exeprienced player and a mission they cant do becous they dont got the gear for it... imo all gift of the lotus missions should be mastery ranked for at least Mrank 4-6... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acos Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 But a gift from the lotus should cover everyone. Most of the ones I know don't like archwing and they are saving that quest for last or are too new to have it. The lotus' gifts should cover all not just those with a certain item or not. Just... according to the rules you made up? What if I don't like defense missions but the Gift of Lotus is a defense mission, should it have to become survival instead? But Jimmy Jean John doesn't like survival, so what should it be at that point? If the players are so new that they don't have Archwing then they aren't invested in the game enough that a devstream should even be on their radar. If they just didn't unlock it because they preemptively decided they don't like archwing; too bad. There's only so much DE can do for you short of just tossing free stuff in your inventory. Requiring that their playerbase do just a bare minimum of work isn't much to ask for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kthal Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 Consider, if you will, Gift-from-the-Lotus missions on mid level planets. Seeing an Orokin Reactor or Catalyst Alert on Mars or Saturn is not unreasonable, is it? It takes more effort to unlock those planets than it does to unlock Archwing. That said, some form of encouragement to get Archwing unlocked would be nice. (Probably not a great idea, but making one of the MR tests 5-10 require Archwing might encourage this.) One issue though. For locked missions, you can rush and unlock a large chunk of the map to gain access to the Alert naturally, and, although I generally disapprove, taxi-ing can happen. Reducing the Odonata's build times to make it reasonable to have ready in under 24 hours would make it much more feasible to work towards within the duration of the extended Alerts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katinka Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 I'm sure they'll live with one less Reactor. It's not really that different to missing an alert because you don't have the node unlocked, which happened to me when I started. Consider it a lesson learned. If you want access to all alerts and events you need a complete starchart and an archwing. Reducing the Odonata's build times to make it reasonable to have ready in under 24 hours would make it much more feasible to work towards within the duration of the extended Alerts. It's currently half the time it takes to make a Warframe which I already think is generous. I guess they could make Odonata alone an exception so people can get into Archwing quicker but it's a one off thing. So you missed this one, fair enough, get building and don't miss the next one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Latronico Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 But a gift from the lotus should cover everyone. Most of the ones I know don't like archwing and they are saving that quest for last or are too new to have it. The lotus' gifts should cover all not just those with a certain item or not. If gifts were for everyone they would be all on the first node of Earth (or Mercury, I don't remember what's the starting planet now). Gifts are for everyone who's into the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varais Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 That's their problem then. Archwing is a part of the game whether they like it or not and if they don't want to get theirs then they will eventually miss out on things. They don't have any right to *@##$ about it if they refuse to partake in an entire facet of the game. i have a full prime and plat account with MR 19 (im adult and i work for being able to enjoy this) recently i was "bored" with the situation of "levelling and warframe and political correctness in warframe (i am not politically correct and i will never be, om sweet om is not my business)" in general so i made a F2P account, i can understand everybody which has no archwing as a f2p-player because its not only hard to get warframe done and played for fun as a F2P player, its on some level insane hard to get your things done, you really have to love the lore of warframe or you run off i learned more then ever in warframe about "socialising and more" by using a f2p-account and im very glad i did it so, please, its not f2p-players business, its how warframe is ruled by the marketingpart of DE and if a f2p-player agrees with that ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalenath Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 So... Just so I am sure here... if a person doesn't like Spy 2.0 alert missions (which I don't even TRY with groups anymore) THOSE kinds of missions should be removed from the Gift of the Lotus rotation. Because I don't like them? Archwing is different and people don't like that. Archwing requires time and effort so many people don't like that. You cannot RUSH or DOOR HERO in Archwing, so people don't like THAT. Maybe Archwing missions shouldn't be in alerts. Then again, maybe Spy 2.0 missions shouldn't either. Or Rescue. Or Exterminate. Or Capture. Or Sabotage. Or Deception. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Datastorm Posted May 30, 2015 Author Share Posted May 30, 2015 Just... according to the rules you made up? What if I don't like defense missions but the Gift of Lotus is a defense mission, should it have to become survival instead? But Jimmy Jean John doesn't like survival, so what should it be at that point? If the players are so new that they don't have Archwing then they aren't invested in the game enough that a devstream should even be on their radar. If they just didn't unlock it because they preemptively decided they don't like archwing; too bad. There's only so much DE can do for you short of just tossing free stuff in your inventory. Requiring that their playerbase do just a bare minimum of work isn't much to ask for. But Defense or any mission type is accessible to anyone without having to build or do a certain quest to get. I even know a few over mastery 14 who dont have archwing. Also I didn't make up a rule, it was a thought or suggestion. You also don't have to build certain frames in the game either or certain weapons. Some people choose not to build archwing, but by making alerts like that archwing it penalizes their right to choose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenwing Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 (edited) But Defense or any mission type is accessible to anyone without having to build or do a certain quest to get. I even know a few over mastery 14 who dont have archwing. Also I didn't make up a rule, it was a thought or suggestion. You also don't have to build certain frames in the game either or certain weapons. Some people choose not to build archwing, but by making alerts like that archwing it penalizes their right to choose. There are regular alerts with good things in them that are Archwing alerts. Should those stop too because some insignificant portion of the playerbase refuses to build an Archwing? Edited May 30, 2015 by Avenwing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egg_Chen Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 Eww, Archwing, thankfully it is only a Reactor. Anyway, agreed, it should be accesible to all. After all, the alert is 24hrs for that very reason, so why then limit it to those who have unlocked Archwing. Also those saying it is the players fault, you do remember that Archwing quest is mastery locked, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)LordPuck Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 But Defense or any mission type is accessible to anyone without having to build or do a certain quest to get. I even know a few over mastery 14 who dont have archwing. Also I didn't make up a rule, it was a thought or suggestion. You also don't have to build certain frames in the game either or certain weapons. Some people choose not to build archwing, but by making alerts like that archwing it penalizes their right to choose. 3 questions. 1) What rank and level are these new players? 2) Would they need a Taxi to Pluto/ if it had the Defense alert? 3) Would you need to carry them(Kill all/do all) for them to complete that defense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenwing Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 Eww, Archwing, thankfully it is only a Reactor. Anyway, agreed, it should be accesible to all. After all, the alert is 24hrs for that very reason, so why then limit it to those who have unlocked Archwing. Also those saying it is the players fault, you do remember that Archwing quest is mastery locked, right? Did you even bother to read the entirety of the posts or did you just briefly scan them? Seems like the latter to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Datastorm Posted May 30, 2015 Author Share Posted May 30, 2015 There are regular alerts with good things in them that are Archwing alerts. Should those stop too because some insignificant portion of the playerbase refuses to build an Archwing? the percentage may be higher than you think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egg_Chen Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 (edited) ^ Well you would be wrong then. The point is, it is not just whether someone wants to build an Archwing, and it is not just the time to do so. It is also the time to reach the MR required for the quest. Why make the alert 24hrs if it is not intended to be available to all? So if it is intended to be available to all, why make it Archwing? Did you even bother to consider that? Edited May 30, 2015 by Egg_Chen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Datastorm Posted May 30, 2015 Author Share Posted May 30, 2015 3 questions. 1) What rank and level are these new players? 2) Would they need a Taxi to Pluto/ if it had the Defense alert? 3) Would you need to carry them(Kill all/do all) for them to complete that defense? 1) 0 to 8 2) not sure 3) every frame has a use no matter how high the planet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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