(XBOX)G R A V O C Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 I'm playing Loki as my first ever Warframe, and literally any T3 or T4 mission I try to get into, people say "No Loki". I got into one T3 survival by the skin of my teeth. The dude said no to me several times because he only wanted Frost. After about 20 minutes of him saying "T3 SURV 123 FROST ONLY" on the recruitment chat, he finally goes "Fine you can join, but don't F up or else". So now that I'm in the survival, one of the other players was Volt with the speed boost ability. I'm a perma-invisibility Loki with a DPS Orthos. Everyone eventually settled into a room with a long hall choke point. The volt guy kept spamming his speed ability, and I was well.. Perma-invis with x4 melee damage. I was running up and down the hall just spamming B, making sure not to go too far down the hall to mess with the spawn points. All I see are body parts flying everywhere, and hearing the constant gore sound that sounds like old pudding being slashed on the ground. The drops were flowing like a well oiled machine, and literally no one was getting damaged, let alone falling and bleeding out. Everyone decided to call it quits after only 25 minutes, and I ended with 800 kills while everyone else was in the 200-300 kill range. I stayed in the loot and exp radius to share with my whole team, and I never once went down or disturbed the flow of the enemy spawns. So again, why does everyone hate on Loki, when he has he potential to be a team slayer, especially under the right circumstances? Don't even get me started on how easy it is to revive when your invisible + decoy + radial disarm + sentinel reviving shield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R34LM Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 (edited) People want set builds to get the most loot for the least amount of work. Good on you for wanting the play the game. Edited June 25, 2015 by R34LM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordOfScrugging Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 there are invis loki's that just sit around invis and leech. probably why Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VoidPunch Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 Most people who ask for specific frames have a set strategy they are trying to use, if Loki is not in that frame list then they don't want them to deviate from their plan. Also you know, Loki has a bad reputation for being the trolling frame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ordel Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 (edited) In PCLand, Loki is welcome to..mostly anything. m̶a̶y̶b̶e̶ ̶y̶o̶u̶ ̶s̶h̶o̶u̶l̶d̶ ̶m̶i̶g̶r̶a̶t̶e̶ jk but in all seriousness, as stated above they probably wanted a set strategy or something like that still wasn't a reason for them to be pushy about it like they were Edited June 25, 2015 by Ordel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaotyke Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 People want set builds to get the most loot for the least amount of work. Good on you for wanting the play the game. This is sadly true, I remember the time I used to see even Embers in T3/4S and it was to go 40+ mins, Acceleration + WoF could be a BIG damage dealer if you were using 4 CP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)G R A V O C Posted June 25, 2015 Author Share Posted June 25, 2015 there are invis loki's that just sit around invis and leech. probably why People actually do that?... I chose Perma-invis so I could maximize DPS and slay as many enemies as possible.. How do you think I should go about trying to prove to people I'm not a leach then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)G R A V O C Posted June 25, 2015 Author Share Posted June 25, 2015 Most people who ask for specific frames have a set strategy they are trying to use, if Loki is not in that frame list then they don't want them to deviate from their plan. Also you know, Loki has a bad reputation for being the trolling frame. I can respect people who are looking for specific strategies and what not. The issue is it appears no one has room for Loki in their builds. I even see stuff like "T3 SURV - ALL BUT LOKI WELCOME". Kinda ironic that Loki the legendary trickster is the go to troll class. I can see how it can be abused and irritate other players. I will admit I have done some playing around in groups with the switch teleport ability, but ultimately I'm after completion and I won't mess around if me doing so is infringing on completion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tikka_Qrow Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 (edited) I like to take a loki into my T4 pipe camp Survivals, so that after an hour and a half when we all stop doing dmg to the lvl 200 heavies Loki gets to slip by and extract+^_^+ Everyone else goes down on purpose (not hard to do at that point) so Loki can do that. Loki's don't even bother going invis unless Vor attacks or it;s time to extract. Edited June 25, 2015 by ChikTikka Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)R-Zab__v2 Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 They must all be noobs. Loki is great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)G R A V O C Posted June 25, 2015 Author Share Posted June 25, 2015 I like to take a loki into my T4 pipe camp Survivals, so that after an hour and a half when we all stop doing dmg to the lvl 200 heavies Loki gets to slip by and extract+^_^+ Everyone else goes down on purpose (not hard to do at that point) so Loki can do that. Loki's don't even bother going invis unless Vor attacks or it;s time to extract. Consoles need more players like you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tikka_Qrow Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 (edited) Consoles need more players like you. Once you go PC, you never go back+^_^+ 360 is gonna be the last console i own for hardcore gaming. might pick up a Nintendo if Dolphin can't keep up with Zelda tho. Edited June 25, 2015 by ChikTikka Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tricky5hift Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 Yeah, unfortunately Loki gets the boot in those missions unless you've got Irradiating Disarm. But honestly, Radial Disarm itself is a pretty redeeming ability and can save your team in certain situations *COUGH* BOMBARDS *COUGH*. And not to mention, Loki can heal teammates easily without putting himself into risk with invisibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtrmlnjuc Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 They must all be noobs. Loki is great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)JiggaJazz Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 Wait there was a volt? Well my friend that's because disarm ruins electric shield. Electric shield spam is an amazing strategy but if you're not using a nova as well then lokis disarm can cause some issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)G R A V O C Posted June 26, 2015 Author Share Posted June 26, 2015 Wait there was a volt? Well my friend that's because disarm ruins electric shield. Electric shield spam is an amazing strategy but if you're not using a nova as well then lokis disarm can cause some issues. Loki's disarm disrupts fellow players? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)JiggaJazz Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 Loki's disarm disrupts fellow players? When the entire group camps behind 10+ electric shields with 50 second+ duration, turning all enemies into melee units defeats the entire purpose of electric shield. With the right volt its easy to go 2 hours and up - not that anyone really wants to play that long but that's how efficient the strategy is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad_Kitten Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 Kinda weird for the so-called #lokimasterrace to be hated, especialy when it comes to T3/4 (On PC) =)) Well, jokes aside, I have no problem with Loki players Although I cant play him (I like run run bang bang slash, sneaking just not suit me), I relize his value (Because of that one specific Interception Tactical Alert I dont want to mention about -_- ) I think it just personal taste Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)JiggaJazz Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 (edited) Kinda weird for the so-called #lokimasterrace to be hated, especialy when it comes to T3/4 (On PC) =)) Well, jokes aside, I have no problem with Loki players Although I cant play him (I like run run bang bang slash, sneaking just not suit me), I relize his value (Because of that one specific Interception Tactical Alert I dont want to mention about -_- ) I think it just personal taste Pretty sure the only reason he didn't want Loki was because of volt. I've played with plenty of lokis with a team comp of volt/nova/Loki/nekros for t4s and have had little issues but its because everyone is a vet and the Loki knows to only disarm when there's multiple bombards.In fact that team comp is imo the best possible comp if you want to theoretically play for 7 hours (lol). It takes a lot of busy game play from the volt however in order to maintain 15+ electric shields at all times and you need to ALWAYS have a front layer of shields to protect your back layer of electric shields in order to absorb the blast radius from bombards. Edited June 26, 2015 by (PS4)JiggaJazz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)G R A V O C Posted June 26, 2015 Author Share Posted June 26, 2015 Kinda weird for the so-called #lokimasterrace to be hated, especialy when it comes to T3/4 (On PC) =)) Well, jokes aside, I have no problem with Loki players Although I cant play him (I like run run bang bang slash, sneaking just not suit me), I relize his value (Because of that one specific Interception Tactical Alert I dont want to mention about -_- ) I think it just personal taste You should give him a try again :). I'm not a stealthy player. When I go invisible, basically that's when I am entering HAM mode. Invisibility to me = how many units can you kill in 19 seconds and how far can you travel? It's especially fun on survivals when you're sprinting down the line of spawned enemies, sliding and slashing the whole way along, and you manage to clear about half of the ship in 19 seconds, with a massive bloodbath behind you. It's quite fun to mess with noobs on lower survivals by doing that. 1.) they haven't really seen invisiblity, so it's like the bodies just exploding in front of them (Black energy baby) 2.) They haven't caught onto jump slashing and sliding for speed boosts yet 3.) Using perma-invisibility is a great way to achieve a 500% affinity multiplier. Great way to level up melee weapons and silent weapons incredibly fast. Slide into a group of enemies and do a spin move = 5,000+ affinity. Just can't be beat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)BornThisWay41 Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 People want set builds to get the most loot for the least amount of work. Good on you for wanting the play the game. It's sad but true... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)G R A V O C Posted June 26, 2015 Author Share Posted June 26, 2015 (edited) Pretty sure the only reason he didn't want Loki was because of volt. I've played with plenty of lokis with a team comp of volt/nova/Loki/nekros for t4s and have had little issues but its because everyone is a vet and the Loki knows to only disarm when there's multiple bombards. In fact that team comp is imo the best possible comp if you want to theoretically play for 7 hours (lol). It takes a lot of busy game play from the volt however in order to maintain 15+ electric shields at all times and you need to ALWAYS have a front layer of shields to protect your back layer of electric shields in order to absorb the blast radius from bombards. That's the thing though. He/we only wanted to play 20-30 minutes. That's how nearly all of my Tower experiences are. So we can exclude the 2+ hour strategies. As I'm being rejected by people who only wanna do a 30 minute survival. Radial disarm isn't even needed at that amount of time.Keep in mind I'm a fairly new player myself. Only Mastery Rank 4, but I've already achieved perma-invisibility, and I'm working on a radial disarm and invisiblility hybrid build for when I can actually join long survivals and defenses Edited June 26, 2015 by (XB1)G R A V O C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingTaro Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 Are you basing your conclusion on one or two anti-Loki encounter? Then again, it's been a while since I last had a run with beginners, so I'm not sure wheter Loki is well known amongs them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fakeBOSHI Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 1. There are troll lokis 2. There are perma-invis hallway hero/leech lokis 3. Key holder has a specific strategy in mind that doesn't need/want disarm 4. They are following the current camp meta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)G R A V O C Posted June 26, 2015 Author Share Posted June 26, 2015 Are you basing your conclusion on one or two anti-Loki encounter? Then again, it's been a while since I last had a run with beginners, so I'm not sure wheter Loki is well known amongs them. I'm basing it on my first two weeks worth of experience in the void so far. 1. There are troll lokis 2. There are perma-invis hallway hero/leech lokis 3. Key holder has a specific strategy in mind that doesn't need/want disarm 4. They are following the current camp meta What is a hallway hero??... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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