Pythadragon Posted October 24, 2015 Share Posted October 24, 2015 (edited) U18.5.6 Mesa now only gains +30 HP without melee instead of +50 U18.5 Mesa without melee gains + 50 hp. EHP becomes 325.25 - right between frost and frost prime. CSV (not including mesa with passive) Spoiler Frame,H,S,A,DR,EHP,Mobility Loki,100,130,55,0.85,248.33,1 LokiPrime,100,130,55,0.85,248.33,1 Vauban,110,130,45,0.87,256.50,1 Mirage,105,135,55,0.85,259.25,1 Nova,110,130,55,0.85,260.17,1 Limbo,110,130,55,0.85,260.17,1 Nezha,100,130,95,0.76,261.67,1 Nyx,110,145,20,0.94,262.33,1 Banshee,110,145,20,0.94,262.33,1 Trinity,110,145,20,0.94,262.33,1 Ivara,100,145,55,0.85,263.33,1 Mesa,115,130,55,0.85,266.08,1 Necro,110,140,55,0.85,270.17,1 TrinityPrime,120,145,20,0.94,273.00,1 NovaPrime,110,145,55,0.85,275.17,0.9 Hydroid,110,150,55,0.85,280.17,0.9 Ember,110,145,70,0.81,280.67,0.9 Equinox,110,145,70,0.81,280.67,0.9 NyxPrime,110,155,45,0.87,281.50,0.9 Volt,110,165,20,0.94,282.33,0.9 Mag,100,165,55,0.85,283.33,0.9 Ash,120,145,55,0.85,287.00,0.9 Oberon,115,145,85,0.78,292.58,0.9 Zephyr,120,165,20,0.94,293.00,0.9 EmberPrime,110,155,80,0.79,294.33,0.9 MagPrime,110,165,55,0.85,295.17,0.9 Excalibur,110,145,110,0.73,295.33,0.9 Wukong,110,155,85,0.78,296.17,0.9 Saryn,115,145,95,0.76,296.42,0.9 Valkyr,110,115,200,0.60,298.33,0.9 ExcalPrime,110,145,120,0.71,299.00,0.9 VoltPrime,110,165,70,0.81,300.67,0.9 SarynPrime,115,145,110,0.73,302.17,0.9 Inaros,225,0,105,0.74,303.75,0.9 Chroma,110,145,145,0.67,308.17,0.8 AshPrime,120,155,85,0.78,309.00,0.8 Rhino,110,165,100,0.75,311.67,0.8 Atlas,110,145,170,0.64,317.33,0.8 RhinoPrime,110,165,125,0.71,320.83,0.8 Frost,110,165,130,0.70,322.67,0.8 FrostPrime,110,175,130,0.70,332.67,0.8 UPDATED 18.3 CSV Spoiler Frame,H,S,A,DR,EHP,Mobility,Health inc armor Loki,100.00,110.00,55.00,0.85,228.33,1.00,118.33 LokiPrime,100.00,110.00,55.00,0.85,228.33,1.00,118.33 Vauban,110.00,110.00,45.00,0.87,236.50,1.00,126.50 Mirage,105.00,115.00,55.00,0.85,239.25,1.00,124.25 Nova,110.00,110.00,55.00,0.85,240.17,1.00,130.17 Limbo,110.00,110.00,55.00,0.85,240.17,1.00,130.17 Nezha,100.00,110.00,95.00,0.76,241.67,1.00,131.67 Nyx,110.00,125.00,20.00,0.94,242.33,1.00,117.33 Banshee,110.00,125.00,20.00,0.94,242.33,1.00,117.33 Trinity,110.00,125.00,20.00,0.94,242.33,1.00,117.33 Ivara,100.00,125.00,55.00,0.85,243.33,1.00,118.33 Necro,110.00,120.00,55.00,0.85,250.17,1.00,130.17 TrinityPrime,120.00,125.00,20.00,0.94,253.00,0.90,128.00 NovaPrime,110.00,125.00,55.00,0.85,255.17,0.90,130.17 Volt,110.00,140.00,20.00,0.94,257.33,0.90,117.33 Mag,100.00,140.00,55.00,0.85,258.33,0.90,118.33 Ember,110.00,125.00,70.00,0.81,260.67,0.90,135.67 Equinox,110.00,125.00,70.00,0.81,260.67,0.90,135.67 NyxPrime,110.00,135.00,45.00,0.87,261.50,0.90,126.50 Ash,120.00,125.00,55.00,0.85,267.00,0.90,142.00 Zephyr,120.00,140.00,20.00,0.94,268.00,0.90,128.00 Mag Prime,110.00,140.00,55.00,0.85,270.17,0.90,130.17 Oberon,115.00,125.00,85.00,0.78,272.58,0.90,147.58 EmberPrime,110.00,135.00,80.00,0.79,274.33,0.90,139.33 Excalibur,110.00,125.00,110.00,0.73,275.33,0.90,150.33 Volt Prime,110.00,140.00,70.00,0.81,275.67,0.90,135.67 Wukong,110.00,135.00,85.00,0.78,276.17,0.90,141.17 Saryn,115.00,125.00,95.00,0.76,276.42,0.90,151.42 Excalibur Prime,110.00,125.00,120.00,0.71,279.00,0.90,154.00 Valkyr,110.00,100.00,200.00,0.60,283.33,0.90,183.33 Rhino,110.00,140.00,100.00,0.75,286.67,0.80,146.67 Chroma,110.00,125.00,145.00,0.67,288.17,0.80,163.17 Ash Prime,120.00,135.00,85.00,0.78,289.00,0.80,154.00 RhinoPrime,110.00,140.00,125.00,0.71,295.83,0.80,155.83 Atlas,110.00,125.00,170.00,0.64,297.33,0.80,172.33 Frost,110.00,140.00,130.00,0.70,297.67,0.80,157.67 FrostPrime,110.00,150.00,130.00,0.70,307.67,0.80,157.67 Updated 18.1.3* *Need stats for Nezha! Added Tanky/Squishy mod chart. Range: (200, 330) Relative EHP range:1.66x Updated 18.1 Everything changed when the fire nation attacked. Remarks: Spoiler Range of mobility and range of EHP are both half of that they used to be. So goodbye diversity (is it for the best? We'll see). New max speed value is 1.25*, down from U18 - 1.4 down from Pre18 - 1.54 *Using squishy mod, low leap, and elemental The game got slower again. Updated 18.0.8 - Fixed wrong Ember mobility stat - Fixed wrong Excal Prime mobility stat - Added Nekros I am now removing Loki Prime from these charts, as he has always had identical stats to Loki Mediocre. I am leaving Excal Prime in. U18.0 remarks Spoiler What's this? EHP disparity is worse than before! U18 with flat mod values Min HP = 131.25 Max HP = 425 Difference = 3.24x (!!!) Pre U18 with percentage mod values Min EHP = 140.5, Loki (minus shield mod) Max EHP = 443, Frost P (plus Shield mod) Difference = 3.15x Pre U18 before tank/squishy mods Old Min EHP = 166, Loki Old Max EHP = 375, Frost P Difference = 2.26x --- The following is defunct(pre U18) or data for those inclined. Updated 17.11.1 to reflect Saryn changes. remarks Spoiler Data is sorted smallest to largest based on normal EHP (without mods, orange bar). Here, we can also see the strong negative correlation between 'tankiness' and 'mobility'. This chart includes the effects on EHP of the maxed ranked versions of the new (-mobility) + (+health/+shield) + (armor mods) and (+mobility) + (-health/-shield) - (armor) mods, as well as a reference for mobility. Min EHP = 140.5, Loki (minus shield mod) Max EHP = 443, Frost P (plus Shield mod) Old Min EHP = 166, Loki Old Max EHP = 375, Frost P The potential difference between min and max EHP is now 3.15x. This value used to be 2.26x. (without mods) Average EHP of 30 frames = 270 Median EHP of 30 frames = 273 Pre U18 comma separated values Spoiler Frame,Mobility,EHP (total),Plus Shields EHP,Plus Health EHP,Minus mobility,Minus Shield EHP,Minus Health EHP,Plus Mobility Ash,0.88,282.50,352.50,355.75,0.70,246.00,240.80,1.06 Ash P,0.68,350.00,425.00,427.50,0.54,297.50,293.00,0.82 atlas,0.68,350.00,403.33,411.67,0.54,290.00,276.00,0.82 Banshee,1.04,205.00,258.33,252.17,0.83,174.00,183.20,1.25 chroma,0.76,316.67,370.00,375.00,0.61,263.33,254.67,0.91 ember,1.00,233.33,286.67,283.33,0.80,196.67,201.33,1.20 ember P,0.94,266.67,325.00,317.50,0.75,220.83,231.67,1.13 equinox,0.98,233.33,286.67,283.33,0.78,196.67,201.33,1.18 Excal,0.90,275.00,328.33,329.17,0.72,230.00,228.00,1.08 Excal p,0.88,283.33,336.67,338.33,0.70,236.67,233.33,1.06 frost,0.66,350.00,413.33,406.67,0.53,285.00,294.00,0.79 frost p,0.64,375.00,443.33,431.67,0.51,302.50,319.00,0.77 loki,1.10,166.25,206.25,202.88,0.88,140.50,145.40,1.32 loki P,1.10,166.25,206.25,202.88,0.88,140.50,145.40,1.32 mag,0.94,241.25,296.25,277.88,0.75,193.00,220.40,1.13 mag p,0.90,271.67,335.00,320.50,0.72,222.33,243.87,1.08 nova,1.08,196.67,245.00,245.50,0.86,169.83,168.87,1.30 nova p,1.02,221.67,275.00,270.50,0.82,187.33,193.87,1.22 Nyx,1.06,205.00,258.33,252.17,0.85,174.00,183.20,1.27 nyx p,0.98,241.67,300.00,290.00,0.78,200.83,215.67,1.18 oberon,0.84,287.50,349.17,352.08,0.67,245.00,240.00,1.01 rhino,0.76,313.33,376.67,366.33,0.61,255.67,270.53,0.91 rhino p,0.70,341.67,405.00,397.50,0.56,278.33,288.67,0.84 saryn,0.86,297.92,359.58,363.54,0.69,253.33,246.67,1.03 trinity,1.04,205.00,258.33,252.17,0.83,174.00,183.20,1.25 trinity p,0.94,255.00,318.33,302.17,0.75,209.00,233.20,1.13 valkyr,0.72,350.00,393.33,416.67,0.58,295.00,258.00,0.86 volt,0.92,255.00,318.33,302.17,0.74,209.00,233.20,1.10 volt p,0.88,283.33,346.67,333.33,0.70,231.67,251.33,1.06 zephyr,0.86,307.50,387.50,378.25,0.69,261.00,274.80,1.03 Edited March 11, 2016 by Pythadragon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pavlo555 Posted October 24, 2015 Share Posted October 24, 2015 (edited) I told you frost's abilities and stats are BS :@ Add chilling passive and BS CC abilities to that... Edited October 24, 2015 by pavlo555 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_BUSHIDO_ Posted October 24, 2015 Share Posted October 24, 2015 (edited) I didn't aspect the plus shield/health and armor mods. I was agree with the introduction of the new bullet jump mods, even if I learnt how to manage without the same speed of my bullet jump before the nerf.However, the possibility to see a super tank with 440 EHP is something that bother me... Also because you can still survive without bulletjump ( you're not going to be super slow, rolling and slide are fine) even if you are forced to be pretty much grounded.I don't know, but IMHO we need a limit, you cannot boost your EHP if you already have tons of it, as long as you cannot boost your energy by equipping at the same time Adrenaline Boost and Heightened Reflexes. Edit: Nice work btw ;) Edited October 24, 2015 by _BUSHIDO_ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeyciKon Posted October 24, 2015 Share Posted October 24, 2015 Very nice work. like like Bushido said, 440 EHP is a lot, compared to loki that has ~160 default.. its the triple EHP... they really need to buff loki habilities to pay-off that, cuz mobilitie doesnt pay off that for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HC217 Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 (edited) this is useful. don't mind me, just commenting for the easy reference EDIT: pyth, would it trouble you to add in movespeed values? would make my longtime hate for ash prime even more justified if there was a nifty graph that showed it EDIT 2: doing god's work pyth Edited December 17, 2015 by HC217 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pythadragon Posted November 17, 2015 Author Share Posted November 17, 2015 Updated for Saryn + added csv values for anyone interested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phasedragon Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 (edited) Very nice work. like like Bushido said, 440 EHP is a lot, compared to loki that has ~160 default.. its the triple EHP... they really need to buff loki habilities to pay-off that, cuz mobilitie doesnt pay off that for sure. It's not loki's abilities that needs to be fixed (they're already kinda OP, but nobody uses him because he's so squishy), it's all the tanks. Get rid of the speed nerf and make the highest no more than 2x the lowest by increasing the lowest and decreasing the highest. Edited November 18, 2015 by PhaseShifted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bahws Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 (edited) I tried googling but can't find what mods are meant... List of names please? Never mind found them shortly after. To anyone having a similar issue to me: Adept Surge Calculated Spring Tempered Bound Rising Skill It should be noted that currently there is a mistake on the wiki as the picture for Tempered Bound and Rising skill is exactly the same. But the stats listed in the text are different. Edited November 25, 2015 by Bahws Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HC217 Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 It's not loki's abilities that needs to be fixed (they're already kinda OP, but nobody uses him because he's so squishy), it's all the tanks. Get rid of the speed nerf and make the highest no more than 2x the lowest by increasing the lowest and decreasing the highest. only tank that needs a nerf is ash p, frost pays for his tank stats with movespeed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boodendorf Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 (edited) Nice chart. Think we could also put in the OP which +mobilty -shield/health - armor mod (or the opposite) fits which frame, stat wise? I know I heard that a tanky frame benefits more from more tankiness and a squishy frame more from mobility. But which do you give more, like for frost, would you choose shield buff sinve he has more shield, or health buff? What about frames with equal hp/shield values? Edit: nvm i think it's already in the post ty OP. Edited November 25, 2015 by Boodendorf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feyangol Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 (edited) Well, I'm currently too busy to start a topic, but the real problem is that these new mods support extremes. They give % bonuses, so the total gain of each mode is based on your actual stats. It's worth to use mobility mods on tanky frames and also not worth to use tank mods on squishies, on the contrary the best thing you can do is to make your light frames even faster and your tanky frames even tankier (or you just play a movement speed Ash p and Zephyr and you are fast and tanky ... xD ). Give them total bonuses! Yeah, I mean it, they need TOTAL BONUSES! Edited November 25, 2015 by Feyangol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phasedragon Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 Any chance you could overlay sprint speed on top of this as well? This should show what a huge outlier ash prime is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pavlo555 Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 Any chance you could overlay sprint speed on top of this as well? This should show what a huge outlier ash prime is. sprint doesn't matter this much. And both ash and p(eepoo) version have the same sprint speed. Mobility and EHP are purely proportional for both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pythadragon Posted December 3, 2015 Author Share Posted December 3, 2015 Stats needed for Wukong- Could someone please provide sprint + mobility values? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naftal Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 (edited) Any chance you could overlay sprint speed on top of this as well? This should show what a huge outlier ash prime is. Except sprint speed is a very small part of mobility. Edited December 3, 2015 by Naftal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pythadragon Posted December 4, 2015 Author Share Posted December 4, 2015 (edited) I need new data to reflect U18. I need mobility values for: Ember Excal Prime Frost Loki Mag Nova Nyx Rhino Wukong Please and thank you :) Current [incomplete] dataset in csv (updated for U18) included in OP Edited December 4, 2015 by Pythadragon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HC217 Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 Except sprint speed is a very small part of mobility. it's good for strafing and building momentum, so no, it's a very big deal that he's speedy and tanky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vyrn Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 (edited) I need new data to reflect U18. I need mobility values for: Ember Excal Prime Frost Loki Mag Nova Nyx Rhino Wukong Please and thank you :) Loki: 1.0 Nova: .96 Rhino: .66 Wukong: .9 edit: WAIT, I found the issue. Having Sword Alone increased the mobility by .1. Oops. Edited December 10, 2015 by Vyrnaazus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pythadragon Posted December 10, 2015 Author Share Posted December 10, 2015 (edited) Loki: 1.10 Nova: 1.06 Rhino: .76 Wukong: 1.0 Please double check those values (make sure no mobility mods are on, including elemental mods.) I actually have conflicting reports now from another player for some of those values I have: Loki: 1 Nova: 0.96 Rhino: 0.66 Wukong: (still missing) Thanks! Edited December 10, 2015 by Pythadragon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vyrn Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 Please double check those values (make sure no mobility mods are on, including elemental mods.) I actually have conflicting reports now from another player for some of those values Yeah, I caught myself just now. Oooooops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pythadragon Posted December 10, 2015 Author Share Posted December 10, 2015 (edited) Still need mobility values for: Ember Normal Excal Prime (will probably be removing from list in the future due to rarity..) Temporary chart -snip- Edited December 12, 2015 by Pythadragon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyandana Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 Two members of my clan have Excal Prime and PvP often, I'll ask tomorrow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeyciKon Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 Ember- 0.98 Excalibur prime- 0.82 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pythadragon Posted December 11, 2015 Author Share Posted December 11, 2015 Can I please get another reading of Wukong unmodded mobility stat as of 18.0.7? "Fixed Wukong’s Conclave Mobility stat not reading correctly in the Arsenal." https://forums.warframe.com/index.php?/topic/576214-hotfix-1807-spoilers/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pythadragon Posted December 11, 2015 Author Share Posted December 11, 2015 (edited) Edit: Gee this is embarrassing. I forgot about Ivara. Could someone please pass me her unmodded mobility value? Thanks! Wukong changed form 0.9 to 0.76. -snip- Edited December 12, 2015 by Pythadragon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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