Wevi Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 (edited) Okay. I'm not exactly sure what luck there is to being randomly matched with other players, if there is, I've have probably the worse luck you can ever have. Yesterday's 3 sortie I was matched up with 2 Valkyrs and a Frost. I played slow nova (glass cannon) to make the mission easier for lower mastery players. The mission start off with Valkyrs popping energy plates and immediately going into hysteria form. The first few waves where fine. Watching both Valkyrs insta kill everything and seeing frost struggle to keep snowglobals up. I looked at our profiles and I was the only one with corrosive projection. The fact that there was no struggle with the valkyrs is pretty off putting seeing this sorties were "end game" tier for warframe. On Wave five the escort objective kept going down because frost bubble were no instantly shot down. My anti-matter drops did no damage and I can only kill things one at a time with my shotgun. One of the valkyrs deiced to go afk in the middle of all this. I took 3 bullets and instantly when down. I died there on my back as the afk valkyr in god mode was stand there taking insane amounts of damage stand there idly. I don't that the person playing valkyr was afk. What I care about is being this broken to be able to take millions of damage from lvl 110+ enemies and not even have to put any effort in what so ever. I've made a post before about how valkyr's hysteria and other abilities needs a redo here:https://forums.warframe.com/index.php?/topic/609718-valkyr-rework-being-invulnerable-should-have-a-cost/After dying I later found out the other valkyr was ignoring both me, the objective and frost going down. We ended up failing the mission and squad was disbanded. I never want to witness this again. Edited February 17, 2016 by xxcib21xx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dualstar Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 You being matched with bad players doesnt make for a good argument for balance change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neear Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 As many threads as I've seen on valk being OP I agree. No frame should be as immune to damage as she is. Atleast with Wukong you still take damage and need Rage on in order to acheive a similar effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VoidNomade Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 Because it´s the frames fault if the player is a potato. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miser_able Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 And this is why I never use hysteria on my valkyr. Good old warcry build ftw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrPsychoFace Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 Lets redo stealth, mobs should not ignore You since they can obviously smell Your fear and feel Your presence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IggySnow Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 I like valk a lot, but she is kinda broken i will admit. but im not asking for a nerf because DE doesnt know how to properly nerf something. they ALWAYS overdo the nerf and drive whatever it is into the ground. I would rather have a broken frame than a useless one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Velociel Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 I'd like to see Valkyr's 4 get reworked, instead of having complete invulnerability, why not give her a mass buff in defense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)PillarOfWar Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 I used a Valkyr on a sortie and was berated for not using hysteria (i was built around a rage and life strike build) Can't win this game! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Dark-TailedFox Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 (edited) Blame the trashy players you got. Not the frame itself. Valkyr is fine, its the pilots who need to learn how to play correctly. I'd like to see Valkyr's 4 get reworked, instead of having complete invulnerability, why not give her a mass buff in defense? So you want a Warcry build and life strike then. Edited February 17, 2016 by (PS4)Foxkid_8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larsurus Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 Okay. I'm not exactly sure what luck there is to being randomly matched with other players, if there is, I've have probably the worse luck you can ever have. Yesterday's 3 sortie I was matched up with 2 Valkyrs and a Frost. I played slow nova (glass cannon) to make the mission easier for lower mastery players. The mission start off with Valkyrs popping energy plates and immediately going into hysteria form. The first few waves where fine. Watching both Valkyrs insta kill everything and seeing frost struggle to keep snowglobals up. I looked at our profiles and I was the only one with corrosive projection. The fact that there was no struggle with the valkyrs is pretty off putting seeing this sorties were "end game" tier for warframe. On Wave five the escort objective kept going down because frost bubble were no instantly shot down. My anti-matter drops did no damage and I can only kill things one at a time with my shotgun. One of the valkyrs deiced to go afk in the middle of all this. I took 3 bullets and instantly when down. I died there on my back as the afk valkyr in god mode was stand there taking insane amounts of damage stand there idly. I don't that the person playing valkyr was afk. What I care about is being this broken to be able to take millions of damage from lvl 110+ enemies and not even have to put any effort in what so ever. I've made a post before about how valkyr's hysteria and other abilities needs a redo here: https://forums.warframe.com/index.php?/topic/609718-valkyr-rework-being-invulnerable-should-have-a-cost/ After dying I later found out the other valkyr was ignoring both me, the objective and frost going down. We ended up failing the mission and squad was disbanded. I never want to witness this again. What did you shoot your AMD with? Peas? One or two shots from my Vaykor Hek is enough to turn my AMDs into WMDs, killing just about anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Megakruemel Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 I play valkyr but i only use hysteria to heal and revive. Being locked in melee is un-fun for me. I also focus more on warcry. What i am trying to say: Not all valkyr players are lazybones. I do agree, that hysteria is a bit much but taking away hysteria leaves her only with warcry and zipline as well as paralysis, which is only moderately helpful (i use it to open crates). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prophet Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 *cough* *cough* Limbo *cough* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Velociel Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 *cough* *cough* Limbo *cough* Most people don't like Limbo anyways, he's obtrusive and obnoxious to everyone around him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KittyDarkling Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 So long as her ult keeps the lifestrikeness I'll be happy. She's my second most played Warframe, and as useful god-mode is I wouldn't mind hearing out alternatives. I mean seriously, I'm at this point perma invisible, invincible, and have a stupidly high damage output. On a side note, do you know how anti mater drop works? If your shotgun was killing stuff your anti mater drop should -easily- of been killing stuff too. Worst case is you put three whole shots into the AMD before detonating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wevi Posted February 17, 2016 Author Share Posted February 17, 2016 You being matched with bad players doesnt make for a good argument for balance change. Last sortie only has 10 squads with potentially a single empty slot and after going through 5 of them just to find valkyrs. The fact that I have a blog long rework post means that the topic is important to me and I've had terrible experiences in the past. nah just go off the intro to the post and that alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)FISTO ROBOT0 Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 Last straw with valkyr threads lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)yamikeigo Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 Did OP get the sortie reward? If so, what's the beef? I don't care about newb frames enabling newb players so long as it does not deter me from my main goal, to get rewards, and I'm certainly not going to call for a nerf because I feel like one frame "takes less skill" to play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herosupport Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 I use the Valkyr frame for some mission types i see nothing wrong with any of its abilities you give up ranged combat for hysteria, Hysteria has already been changed from having a set duration to being energy per second meaning you cant have both its 2 and 4 ability moded for now i don't even use the 2 ability any more, its the top tank frame its fine where it is. and i don't see the point in spending my valuable forma on a frame that is just going to get the prime treatment any ways so no CP for you now if DE were to remove forma from the build cost of all the weapons then I would have CP on my frames. you where just unlucky to get those team mates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)EternalDrk Mako Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 You being matched with bad players doesnt make for a good argument for balance change. ditto this and your old thread(s) was again same concept just feels like your taking your frustrations out on the frame and not the bad players .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 (edited) good players, bad players, all what counts on the end is as for example on sorties that you play as a team i have seen so many people in warframe which use this useless rushing through which is nothing then a problem in the players itself i have seen and made sometimes 5 runs for one mission to fix it with the sorties and all what i love most is when MR 5 to MR21 doesnt run away and play together thats the best expirience for me everything else where people think they are better then others isnt worth to pay attention anymore ,-) some need to live out their "dreamland-superiority" where nothing is wrong with ... some wanna play together and learn which is also a good way ,-) all what strengthens peoples back in a good way and sense is useful, everything else is not interesting anymore ... i play too long to dig always in the same dark holes, thats no fun again ,-) Edited February 17, 2016 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naftal Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 Invulnerability is stupid OP. Not being able to use guns is not a downside for such a gamebreaking effect, especially since Hysteria outdamages all guns by a huge amount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thebel Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 (edited) Rhino + Boltor P are now Valks, if you get a Valk on your team, expect the worst till they prove you wrong. Edited February 17, 2016 by Thebel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkmatt3r Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 Play with friends/solo. Pub is brutal . People has their opinion & i have mine that shes good the way she is now . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vohim Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 i find hysteria useless asides from quick heal and reviving team mates the rest is all Primed reach Berserk+warcry Jat Kittag rampage hysteria isnt nearly as broken as a team spamming simulor black holes but yeah why not make a valkyr prime with double base stats make hysteria a 50% damage reduction and heal over time instead of flat out invincibility and change the melee attacks to crescent wide radius slashes kinda like primed reach jat kittag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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