Jautice Posted April 7, 2016 Share Posted April 7, 2016 The reason why is probably due to the resource creeping that people have been doing for a very long time and if you're in dire need of it, just put it aside and just Hieracon. Pretend Hieracon is Draco and no problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h41pa Posted April 7, 2016 Share Posted April 7, 2016 and also farming void keys same time !:) ez! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilvaDreams Posted April 7, 2016 Share Posted April 7, 2016 Oookay......? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeseni1 Posted April 7, 2016 Share Posted April 7, 2016 I did not really looked the recources needet for that weapon. I yust buyed the BP and put in to craft. Guess i had tons of those doing alot of Triton and Hieracon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
izzatuw Posted April 7, 2016 Share Posted April 7, 2016 (edited) The problem I see with the 30K is that this is really only doable for "hardcore" players of the community and seems to be a pretty difficult one for players that can only spend oh so many hours into the game a week. Those types of players will have to passive aggressively do nothing but excavations for their short 2-3 hours a week if they intend to get the weapon anytime soon. To put it into the active Warframer perspective we would preferably want to farm till 1500 cryotic, each whole dig site takes 100 seconds. You would need to activate 15 dig sites each of them being 100 seconds if you make sure all of them are moving but if you decide to activate one at a time in fear that you will destroy a couple in the process you would need 100X15 = 1500 seconds (25 minutes) to gain a mere 1500 cryotic for a weapon that requires 30,000 cryotic. And in order to get 30K cryotic you would need to do X20 1500 seconds/cryotic excavation runs. You would at least need 8 hours worth of game time on one specific game mode. tl;dr 1 cryo = 1 second 30000 cryo = 30000 seconds = 500 minutes = 8 hours Edited April 7, 2016 by izzatuw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarmongerExtraordinare Posted April 7, 2016 Share Posted April 7, 2016 it IS a problem no weapon should require that much of resources >_> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freelancer27 Posted April 7, 2016 Share Posted April 7, 2016 Unfortunately, the reason due to difficulty increase of Excavation is from a very sensitive controversy that happened not so while ago, involving tests that tackles with Cryotic farm and its rewards. I wish for the reward and spawn system of Excavation will return to normal and even be an example for other missions like Survival and Defense in return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 7, 2016 Share Posted April 7, 2016 While I sit here with 176k cryotic with nowhere to spend. Seriously, all I did was farm Triton before the nerf. And I'm nowhere a "veteran" at this point. Just keep on farming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-CM-Hekovashi Posted April 7, 2016 Share Posted April 7, 2016 Is IS a problem, 30k its 30(!) runs with 1000 cryotic each or 300(!!) runs 100 cryotic each. Yeah it's affordable, but no other weapon require that much and should not. Hek, you need less time to farm 10 neural sensors or neurodes, and those are like rarest resources that we have Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeseni1 Posted April 7, 2016 Share Posted April 7, 2016 7 minutes ago, Freelancer27 said: Unfortunately, the reason due to difficulty increase of Excavation is from a very sensitive controversy that happened not so while ago, involving tests that tackles with Cryotic farm and its rewards. I wish for the reward and spawn system of Excavation will return to normal and even be an example for other missions like Survival and Defense in return. I Really dont get it why they changed Excavations like they did. Triton was an amazing place for Cores, Keys and even XP. now the excavations are a bad place to do anything. If i did not had tons of cyrotic reserves runing out aswell and i doubt i get more as easy at it was before. And DE wants ppl to do other nodes than Draco. That move does the contrary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ins. Posted April 7, 2016 Share Posted April 7, 2016 (edited) If the next weapon introduced costs 100 neurodes I wonder if all the apologists will still say it's okay. Edited April 7, 2016 by Ins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freelancer27 Posted April 7, 2016 Share Posted April 7, 2016 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Jeseni1 said: I Really dont get it why they changed Excavations like they did. Triton was an amazing place for Cores, Keys and even XP. now the excavations are a bad place to do anything. Simply words to say so from the source. "Because it was too easy to get cores in Excavation. Survival and Defense are just fine for rewarding players." That's pretty much I can say though. Edited April 7, 2016 by Freelancer27 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-CM-Hekovashi Posted April 7, 2016 Share Posted April 7, 2016 Just now, Jeseni1 said: I Really dont get it why they changed Excavations like they did. Triton was an amazing place for Cores, Keys and even XP. now the excavations are a bad place to do anything. If i did not had tons of cyrotic reserves runing out aswell and i doubt i get more as easy at it was before. And DE wants ppl to do other nodes than Draco. That move does the contrary. Coz De Glen said that excavation are too rewarding if you compare it to surv or def, so after some test runs he decided to do what he did and after DE agreed to not touch it again, despite all feedback Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gluih Posted April 7, 2016 Share Posted April 7, 2016 It's not a problem for anyone who was farming void keys for a while. And one run on hieracon or triton for 1.5k doesn't even take very long and is not very difficult, if you are in a group. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vance.Stubbs Posted April 7, 2016 Share Posted April 7, 2016 47 minutes ago, Jautice said: The reason why is probably due to the resource creeping that people have been doing for a very long time and if you're in dire need of it, just put it aside and just Hieracon. Pretend Hieracon is Draco and no problem. Thank DE for killing Excavation so nobody plays it now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sh00chu Posted April 7, 2016 Share Posted April 7, 2016 Seems like there are a lot of short memories. When oxium was introduced, you got one (1) per drone, and it was a crapshoot whether or not one would even appear. Zephyr building took a looooot of grinding before they changed that, so quit yer cryin', and get off my lawn! Besides, if farming up the resources is such a hassle for you, either pay for it with plat, or come to terms with not having it any time soon. The folks at DE gotta put food on the table too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hemmo67 Posted April 7, 2016 Share Posted April 7, 2016 2 words dark excavation ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regenerating_Degenerate Posted April 7, 2016 Share Posted April 7, 2016 Why can't some weapons just be annoying to get? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jautice Posted April 7, 2016 Author Share Posted April 7, 2016 You guys complain about how persistent you must be to get Cryotic and then there is something farm much worse. Nitian Extract Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gluih Posted April 7, 2016 Share Posted April 7, 2016 7 minutes ago, Jeseni1 said: I Really dont get it why they changed Excavations like they did. Triton was an amazing place for Cores, Keys and even XP. now the excavations are a bad place to do anything. If i did not had tons of cyrotic reserves runing out aswell and i doubt i get more as easy at it was before. And DE wants ppl to do other nodes than Draco. That move does the contrary. Excavations are still the by far the best way to get keys + you get some cores on the way. When I was farming T3 keys, I did some research and found out that Outer Terminus (that's a defense) has less than half the keys compared to Triton and Hieracon, so basically the chance for me to get the key I wanted was twice as high. Still the 2 excavations are way better, because defense takes way too long. I get most of my cores from sorties now, but excavation would still be where I would go if I had to farm any. And when it comes to xp, excavation isn't really better or worse than most other modes in the game. In interception and defense you get more, because everybody is in the same place. In situations like survival missions you get the same problem when people just run around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XaxalShiba Posted April 7, 2016 Share Posted April 7, 2016 As a person with more than 400 Void Keys, I agree. But it can also be rough for new players. Then again, grind is kind of a given here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeMonkey Posted April 7, 2016 Share Posted April 7, 2016 Takes 30,000 seconds of excavator defending to get enough. That's 500 minutes or 8.3 hours. Regardless of nitain or prior farming it's not that bad a grind, especially when you consider you can defend two at once. Not been on the forums since before the weapon was released, are there lots complaining? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-CM-Hekovashi Posted April 7, 2016 Share Posted April 7, 2016 Just now, Jautice said: You guys complain about how persistent you must be to get Cryotic and then there is something farm much worse. Nitian Extract Nitain is not a problem. It WAS just after introducing, but now there like several alerts each day and most of those are 2-5 mins long, and weap\frame doesn't usually require more then 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armedpoop Posted April 7, 2016 Share Posted April 7, 2016 All I read was "This isnt at ALL a problem for ME. Please DE make more weapons with insane material costs, its ok, I PROMISE!" Can you please just not? If they expected a clan to get 20k for RESEARCH, how is it ok for a single person to get 20k more plus an additional 10k? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jautice Posted April 7, 2016 Author Share Posted April 7, 2016 2 minutes ago, Hekovashi said: Nitain is not a problem. It WAS just after introducing, but now there like several alerts each day and most of those are 2-5 mins long, and weap\frame doesn't usually require more then 2 Ivara Chassis: 4 Nitian Ivara Systems 5 Nitian Sometimes people don't have the time to even farm for these parts as I play this game sometimes at the end of my work to do a quick run of Simaris/Sortie/Draco which usually spans for 2.5 hours Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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