I think Loki could stand to have some of his utility limited a bit.

[(PSN)Stealth_Cobra]

Honestly, it's not like Loki's kit is flawless. Decoy is weak and extremely situational at best , Switch Teleport is more of a troll/novelty skill , that leaves only two of his spells useful, one being a straightforward but sligthly longer than average invisibility spell and Radial Disarm.

Considering Ivara, Ash and any Naramon / Huras user gets decent invisibility nowadays, the stealth niche is less of Loki's main appeal nowadays... That leaves his Radial Disarm as his main "raison d'ètre"... And it's a pretty situational ability that's mostly useful in high level content since , let's face it, why disarm and wait for enemies to kill each other when you can just oneshot them all over the regular starchart. In a game where most frame have DPS skills to clear the map, Loki's kit seems out of place in many situations, asides from very high level endgame.

So no, I don't feel like Loki needs a downgrade. Heck, I think DE should probably work on making decoy and switch teleport much better... Especially now that Ash's teleport has evolved into a cool one hit finisher move.

Edited August 14, 2016 by (PS4)Stealth_Cobra

[Nox_Terminus]

Toxic/Caustic/Leech Eximi don't care if you're invisible, and neither do stray bullets. Loki is fine.

[(PSN)Crixus044]

Radial Disarm is a "Disarm" ability, not a jamming ability. Mesa has the jamming ability. I actually believe RD should have a nerf too, but only to range. That's it.Decoy actually could use a buff. I don't think it should have health. It should literally be a hologram that doesn't take damage.

[RealPandemonium]

7 hours ago, Nox_Terminus said:

Toxic/Caustic/Leech Eximi don't care if you're invisible, and neither do stray bullets. Loki is fine.

A Toxic Eximus will never harm you if you know where it is, Heat Eximus waves deal moderate damage at best and can be rolled through trivially, and Parasites can be one-shotted with your melee weapon or just butchered from a distance.

Pretty much every Loki build (all two of them) have plenty of room for QT and [Primed] Flow, making stray bullets and incidental AOE no problem at all for Loki.  He is effectively much, much safer than most frames in almost every situation.

[Nox_Terminus]

14 hours ago, RealPandemonium said:

A Toxic Eximus will never harm you if you know where it is, Heat Eximus waves deal moderate damage at best and can be rolled through trivially, and Parasites can be one-shotted with your melee weapon or just butchered from a distance.

Pretty much every Loki build (all two of them) have plenty of room for QT and [Primed] Flow, making stray bullets and incidental AOE no problem at all for Loki.  He is effectively much, much safer than most frames in almost every situation.

Safer in that he is less likely to take aggro, sure. That's because he has no real defenses to speak of, and as for offense, he has weapons, just like everyone else.

He's a stealth frame who can offer his team a breather against tough opponents, unless of course they're already beating you with melee weapons. Of his four skills, only two do anything useful. Stealth, and Radial Disarm. The other two work well when traversing massive distances in large areas, but that's about it.

Stealth - His stealth gambit has been chopped up and given to just about anyone willing to work down the Naramon path, or if they have a stealth modedd companion, or if they're Ivara.

Radial Disarm - The only ability Loki has which directly affects enemies, and only if they aren't already using a melee weapon. Assuming everyone has primed flow and a reactor is quite presumptuous of you.

Before either of these skills change, his abilities and stats overall would have to be improved which would require a total rework, and I don't see DE doing that any time soon. They already have Ash's fix in the works, and presumably a fix for the fix to Shadows of the Dead, because HP decay is silly.

Damage mitigation comes in many shapes and sizes, Loki's is the most simple, don't get hit. This doesn't always work, because you will get hit by an AOE, its just how enemies scale. Also you seem to vastly overestimate the effectiveness of quick thinking, and not every player runs that mod.

 

[RealPandemonium]

1 minute ago, Nox_Terminus said:

Assuming everyone has primed flow and a reactor is quite presumptuous of you.

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quick thinking, and not every player runs that mod.

Warframes are balanced around what they are capable of in the top end.  Even without the Primed version of Flow, you have a very generous protective buffer, and doubly so if you're Loki Prime.

QT is Loki's most effective durability mod, and there's pretty much no reason not to run it because he can dump Strength entirely with virtually no adverse effects.  

[WinterishRope]

On 8/13/2016 at 10:14 PM, Gurpgork said:

If an ability is overpowered without Nullifiers, then it's overpowered. If an ability is only balanced because Nullifiers are a thing, then it's okay for an ability to do literally anything as long as Nullifiers stop it. 

Lets address the real issue in the bandaid fix that nullifiers are 

[Gurpgork]

48 minutes ago, WinterishRope said:

Lets address the real issue in the bandaid fix that nullifiers are 

That's more or less my point. Nullifiers only exist so that there can be any challenge whatsoever in this game. Warframe abilities should be toned back to reasonable levels, and then Nullifiers either nerfed to the ground or outright removed from the game. 

[WinterishRope]

20 hours ago, Gurpgork said:

That's more or less my point. Nullifiers only exist so that there can be any challenge whatsoever in this game. Warframe abilities should be toned back to reasonable levels, and then Nullifiers either nerfed to the ground or outright removed from the game. 

Lokis already recieved nerfs throughout his introduction to the game. The only thing really troublesome on his kit is the permenant removal of weapons  which is realistic since you know it's called "disarm" . The way disarm with max range works on certain mission types like grineer sorties makes the game way to easy though and needs to be looked at . Why not give lokis disarm a function like Nyx's Chaos where it is now duration based  but the base duration is high enough that builds won't suffer from the change.