LogaMC1995 Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 (edited) 33 minutes ago, BornWithTeeth said: If that's the case, that leaves three options: 1. Umbras are truly, honestly non-player accessible. This would be deliciously rage inducing. It would be amazing. I would simply sit at my computer crying with laughter, helplessly clapping my hands like a sealion and making amusing honking noises. (DE are not going to do this. It would be the most spectacular act of trolling that I have ever seen. They would have my eternal allegiance until the final battle at the end of all time if they did it, but they won't.) 2. Umbras are antagonistic creations which players would have to fight off/hunt down. Successfully defeating an Umbra 'frame would grant you fragments and blueprints which would then need to be modified for use through Transference. This might lead to a frigging awesome quest about recovering the ancient labs and development temples of the original Warframe project, to access the data needed to recalibrate those control systems. 3. Umbras truly are for the edgelords who wish to kill their human bodies and permanently transfer into a Warframe. Ok, sure. I'd be cool with people doing this. I wouldn't do it, but I wouldn't stop anyone else from doing so. I think 2nd option is the way to go, with a few changes. I believe Steve said about making Focus more impactful so maybe Umbras can only be defeated with the use of Focus abilities. He also said that obtaining Umbra won't be as easy as "farm for his bp and parts", so maybe quest reward and using Focus points to unlock and research Umbra parts. Edited June 1, 2016 by LogaMC1995 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BornWithTeeth Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 1 minute ago, LogaMC1995 said: I believe Steve said about making Focus more impactful so maybe Umbras can only be defeated with the use of Focus abilities. He also said that obtaining Umbra won't be as easy as "farm for his bp and parts", so maybe quest reward and using Focus points to unlock and research Umbra parts. I think that Focus expansion was more directly tied to fighting Sentients, though. Recall those weird looking kettle-gunship styled Sentient exo-armours? They said that defeating them will have something to do with Focus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogaMC1995 Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 2 minutes ago, BornWithTeeth said: I think that Focus expansion was more directly tied to fighting Sentients, though. Recall those weird looking kettle-gunship styled Sentient exo-armours? They said that defeating them will have something to do with Focus. My logic for using Focus to defeat Umbras are as follow: What you said is right, Focus expansion was more directly tied to fighting Sentients. Shadow Stalker is now kinda Sentient-Warframe hybrid. Shadow Stalker's model is based on Umbra, so maybe Focus is needed to defeat Umbra, maybe because he can't dispel Focus abilities. Sentient->Shadow Stalker->Umbra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinetos Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 7 hours ago, BornWithTeeth said: If that's the case, that leaves three options: 1. Umbras are truly, honestly non-player accessible. This would be deliciously rage inducing. It would be amazing. I would simply sit at my computer crying with laughter, helplessly clapping my hands like a sealion and making amusing honking noises. (DE are not going to do this. It would be the most spectacular act of trolling that I have ever seen. They would have my eternal allegiance until the final battle at the end of all time if they did it, but they won't.) 2. Umbras are antagonistic creations which players would have to fight off/hunt down. Successfully defeating an Umbra 'frame would grant you fragments and blueprints which would then need to be modified for use through Transference. This might lead to a frigging awesome quest about recovering the ancient labs and development temples of the original Warframe project, to access the data needed to recalibrate those control systems. 3. Umbras truly are for the edgelords who wish to kill their human bodies and permanently transfer into a Warframe. Ok, sure. I'd be cool with people doing this. I wouldn't do it, but I wouldn't stop anyone else from doing so. 1. Delicious, delicious salt. 2. Sounds legit. 3. I don't think this would ever happen. All the money anyone spent on Prime Access, skipping Ivara, Mesa, Hydroid etc. grind, and Warframe inventory slots would be completely wasted, and once you went Umbra, you'd never be able to try out new frames or bounce around between frames. Unless you lock your Umbra in the "basement" in the place of the Tenno. Yay. You cute little edgelord, you freed your Warframe from your Tenno, only to confine the Warframe to the Transference chair piloting other Warframes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arch111 Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 So have you made up your minds about stalker and the accolytes? Are they Umbra? It's cheesy that Umbra is a shadow so the connection is allready there. But the whole Guardians legacy will never let me rest untill that part of the past is explained. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)EternalDrk Mako Posted June 1, 2016 Author Share Posted June 1, 2016 (edited) 20 hours ago, arch111 said: So have you made up your minds about stalker and the accolytes? Are they Umbra? It's cheesy that Umbra is a shadow so the connection is allready there. But the whole Guardians legacy will never let me rest untill that part of the past is explained. i had a theory on stalker and acolytes being servants for the executors, but thats was just speculation the only info that ties the umbras to the stalker/acolytes is that the stalkers (shadow stalker model) has the same base model design as umbra Excalibur. but there is no current proof beyond using the same model the other idea is shadows are the frames that will get umbra variants but again no proof.... only when umbra(s) are finally unleashed with lore and cannon background story can we start tying the threads together, till then all we have is conjecture and hypothesis Edited June 2, 2016 by [DE]Danielle Removed image Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arch111 Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 Had to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)EternalDrk Mako Posted June 2, 2016 Author Share Posted June 2, 2016 2 hours ago, arch111 said: Had to lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xaero Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 (edited) Perhaps Umbra is an unoperated warframe broken free from operator's control. Edited June 2, 2016 by Ksaero Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)EternalDrk Mako Posted June 2, 2016 Author Share Posted June 2, 2016 2 minutes ago, Ksaero said: Remember this post so that you'll know I was right when U19 comes out: Umbra is an unoperated warframe, pariah, rage broken free from operator's control. i doubt it, but anything is possible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xaero Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 (edited) 1 hour ago, (XB1)EternalDrk Mako said: i doubt it, but anything is possible It's not a mere speculation. Edited June 2, 2016 by Ksaero Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BornWithTeeth Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 5 minutes ago, Ksaero said: Remember this post so that you'll know I was right when U19 comes out: Umbra is an unoperated warframe, pariah, rage broken free from operator's control. Well, that's cool and all, but if that's the case then it means that I have no interest in allowing the thing anywhere near my carrier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)EternalDrk Mako Posted June 2, 2016 Author Share Posted June 2, 2016 3 minutes ago, Ksaero said: It's not a mere speculation, trust me (datamine). which is a breech of eula ..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xaero Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 (edited) 1 hour ago, BornWithTeeth said: Well, that's cool and all, but if that's the case then it means that I have no interest in allowing the thing anywhere near my carrier. I guess we'll be able to tame him somehow. Edited June 2, 2016 by Ksaero Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xaero Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 (edited) 1 hour ago, (XB1)EternalDrk Mako said: which is a breech of eula ..... Just seen it in a russian warframe-themed public, not sure if it's true or not. Edited June 2, 2016 by Ksaero Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)EternalDrk Mako Posted June 2, 2016 Author Share Posted June 2, 2016 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Ksaero said: Not by my hand :D Seen it in a russian warframe-themed public. datamined info can be slight of hand , DE has done that trick once or twice so I question reliability of it .. were was the info mined from? i havent seen umbra info/items in builds, ect Edited June 2, 2016 by (XB1)EternalDrk Mako Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xaero Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 (edited) 1 hour ago, (XB1)EternalDrk Mako said: datamined info can be slight of hand , DE has done that trick once or twice so I question reliability of it .. were was the info mined from? i havent seen umbra info in builds, ect No idea. Edited June 2, 2016 by Ksaero Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)EternalDrk Mako Posted June 2, 2016 Author Share Posted June 2, 2016 2 minutes ago, Ksaero said: No idea, it was just the wall of text which contained all the 'War Within' dialogue lines, not gonna post them here to not ruin the whole fun of completing the quest. send it to me in a pm id like to investigate it myself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)EternalDrk Mako Posted June 2, 2016 Author Share Posted June 2, 2016 (edited) hmm there are a few lines i find fishy nvm its old darksector stuff Edited June 2, 2016 by (XB1)EternalDrk Mako Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wevi Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 (edited) 11 minutes ago, (XB1)EternalDrk Mako said: hmm there are a few lines i find fishy in that but some stand out from what im reading the context of demon and darkness refer to that sentient arm Oh so the leaks were true. Edited June 2, 2016 by Wevi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)EternalDrk Mako Posted June 2, 2016 Author Share Posted June 2, 2016 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Wevi said: Oh so the leaks were true. im still readign through it..its a LOT of stuff, some of it seems to be from the old darksector game as well (reused code?) demon arm code also refer to Edited June 2, 2016 by (XB1)EternalDrk Mako Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wevi Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 1 minute ago, (XB1)EternalDrk Mako said: im still readign through it..its a LOT of stuff, some of it seems to be from the old darksector game as well (reused code?) It's not leaks for say. Saying for what it's actually called will restore in a ban. Pretty much most of Warwithin has been put out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BornWithTeeth Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 Mako, consider the virtues of not getting your thread locked for spreading leaked and datamined material. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)EternalDrk Mako Posted June 2, 2016 Author Share Posted June 2, 2016 I think i know how they are pulling it, but thats a bit to black hat for what i think they are doing either way it wont affect the thread as we focus on cannon posts/updates per DE ill dig around the info though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Necrius Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 Maybe Umbras are actual power armors that will be worn by Tenno themselves? Or it's just the way to sell us the same frame for the third time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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